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does doing psychadelics make you less shallow?

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idk maybe i'm delusional,or maybe its a coincidence? but i've noticed that the people i know that don't do psychadelics are very shallow and will make fun of people for stupid reasons like things they can't control, while my friends who have done psychadelics (weed included....kids who smoke lots of weed), will criticize people more for reasons that actually merit being criticized for, and less for dumb reasons, and will overall be way more chill about things. it's no coincidence that the ones who haven't done drugs seem miserable and insecure while the ones who have are much more content with themselves and their lives. have you noticed this in your circles of friends? or is it not related to the drug itself? or something? your thoughts.

ive met an anomaly. he's not too bright and provides little to no insight to the world whatsoever. he's proof that psychadelics don't always bring you insight. but he's weird. i don't like that kid.

just wondering what you think about this. i don't think i've ever been very shallow at all. maybe its because an open/accepting mind leads you to more likely to doing psychadelics while a closed mind is less likely to do them?

what do you think?
 
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Doing psychedelics doesn't make you less shallow but reflection and contemplation that can both be a cause and effect of psychedelic use may.

Because psychedelics tend to bring your inner thoughts and feelings to your attention you can often connect well with them and have realisations that can make you more conscious / aware and considerate of your own feelings and via empathy also the feelings and thoughts of others. Those kinds of phenomena can make it easier to see things from different perspectives and usually it is harder to be hurtful to other people if you put yourself in their shoes before acting or saying anything. It is easier to be hurtful to others if you are very self-involved and fixated on only being in your own shoes. It is a matter of compassion among other things.

People in a time of personal growth can have these developments spontaneously and it can make them seek out psychedelics to continue going deeper with that. That is why I said it can be a indirect cause or an effect of psychedelic use.
So you see it is not a direct effect of tripping (which can also be only recreational and produce beautiful and bright visuals but no profound insight), but it can be indirectly related.

Even if it were a direct effect or cause, there are still no guarantees. There are plenty of people that feel deeply about others and are considerate that don't trip and there are also shallow trippers. Nobody magically turns into a saint. Psychedelics can be used as a tool and therefore help, but people still have to go through these developments and learn from them, which costs energy to integrate. If people are in denial or if they draw the wrong conclusions, enlightening lessons can be abused to reaffirm one's own sense of ego and it can make people more shallow even though they think they are finding truths.

It is better to speak of likelihoods, yes.
 
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Thats a lovely concept but that's all it is, a concept.

In reality, I've found that the drugs community is just a microcosm of real life in that there are dickheads, users, racists & facists as well as decent, caring, fair, genuine, honest people amongst them.

I'm speaking generally though, & I s'pose there might be futher microcosms within the microcosm of drugs users where people might be more thoughtful & it wouldn't surprise me if that group turned out to be users of Psychedelic drugs.
 
Man, taking shrooms always makes me pay attention more. I always notice a lot of crazy shit about my life that I normally woudn't, and it's information that I deem of great importance to know. They set me straight. But they make me let go of shit. Hahaha. I don't know. They are just these weird lookin shrooms. They get you right fucked, that's for sure
 
He whose talk is of oxen, will probably dream of oxen

Thomas De Quincey


In other words no.
Rave culture went mainstream years ago. I know plenty of ravers who've dabbled but are as still as small minded as they were before they started.
 
I wish it were true, that the psychedelics wouls set those using them on the higher path. But its like the bible says "If you take one step towards God, God will take two towards you". Its exactly that way with psychedelics. The deeper insights are all there but you have to take that first step towards them and unfortunately many don't, or shy away from what they find.

Its hard in this reductionist materialistic society not to mentally back out of what psychedelics show us about the nature of things.
 
I think it really depends on the context of the persons use. People who use the stuff just to get fucked up often get just what they want out of the experience. People who are using psychedelics to explore will likely get more out of it.

People who are willing to explore are going to be more open minded to begin with in other aspects of life.

So I'd have to say no, psychedelics don't make one less shallow. That has to come from from within ones self, and some folks just don't have it in their nature. Psychedelics can help a person explore him/herself and their relationship to reality/society/the universe though.
 
For myself it became one more tool to help understand life.
The amount of experiences ,and my personality type "introvert"
played a role in how the experiences affected me longterm.I had long periods in
life ,where i really didn't like people "trust" "anger" "grudges" "relationship issues".
Because people "will always dissapoint you".After experiencing most of the
difficult life experiences "family death" "job/careerloss" "being broke".
"drug addiction" Going through each one makes you tougher and tougher.The acceptance and problem resolving
qualitys of psychedelics,helped me reach a point now in life.Where i can honestly
say "i love myself",not in a vain way persay,but just in a more happy go
lucky sense of being,and accepting the good and bad parts.Regardless of the fact of having a "Title" or "Career" or whatever.
You can learn you don't need things like this ,to validate your self worth..Some people may though.Used periodically over 25 years def boosted my own personal growth.
This method of thinking also helped when applied to interactions with people,and your thoughts about them
.How you feel on the inside,is what u project on the outside.People see this and are drawn to you or not
accordingly. I always found drug users to be more accepting of things(the group is not all asshole free though) in general,i think that kinda fits with being less shallow to a degree .But
thats just a viewpoint/opinion ..My favorite 2 life lessons learned the hard way "Respect for everyone" no matter
who they are unless they give a reason not to..and if someone in your life is treating you badly for
whatever reason..its because you let them...im done mumblin..im lining em up..lets get high...lol..
 
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I have said and will always say, psychedelics don't make you anything, their effects are so wide ranging and unpredictable from experience to experience let alone from person to person.
It can be completely relative to mindset to past experiences to what sort of demons one has running around inside their head.
Personally I've never thought myself as totally shallow, but I admit I more often than not judge people based on shallow first impressions>
Psychedelics haven't changed this, even reflection upon this aspect of me which I at times despise, hasn't been able to allow a change.
Perhaps more work is needed, but psychedelics will never change you without you facilitating these changes yourself.
 
No, they make no difference. If you're an arsehole, you remain an arsehole - you're just an arsehole who has tripped.
 
Psychadelics don't make you anything.

Somethings attract certain types of people - steroids can attract thugs - cocaine can attract materialistic hoes - ecstasy can attract young party girls that like to dance

I think psychadelics can attract free thinkers because they can be thought evoking, psychadelics can also attract self explorers because they can be great tools for that.

But i have also met some very shallow shelf centered ego maniacs who were into psychadelics. ?
 
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Psychadelics don't make you anything.
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Actually they do, or at least psilocin does. Psychedelics do give me a sense of wonder about the world, but if that's the same for every personality type, I don't know. Agreed with the sentiment though, they don't make you a better person per se, but they might make you make yourself a better person. You can only do that if you have the intention to do so, there's loads of people that don't.


V (this didn't deserve it's own post)- Well, that was what I was agreeing with, wasn't I?
 
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kidklmx said:
Actually they do, or at least psilocin does. Psychedelics do give me a sense of wonder about the world, but if that's the same for every personality type, I don't know. Agreed with the sentiment though, they don't make you a better person per se, but they might make you make yourself a better person. You can only do that if you have the intention to do so, there's loads of people that don't.
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Making lasting personality changes is subjective, and I highly doubt is caused by mushrooms themselves opposed to the individuals experiences and how they react to them.
The point we're making is that taking psychedelics don't have the power to make someone be anything.
To say that psychedelics do make one less shallow means it would apply to all popular and this would be an effect of the drug itself instead of ones personal introspective experiences during a trip which absolutely can cause lasting personality changes
 
Yes. Even today my very shallow friend is a better person having tripped a few times.

I've seen nothing but improvements for people that have done psychedelics.

EDIT: TO above post, it's both dude. People want psychedelics because they like new experiences. Any new experience, be it seeing a vast mountain up close, or being in warp zone on DMT, can be life-changing.
 
in my experience, people who have never engaged in psychedelics are superficial and self-righteous

whereas people who have tried psychedelics remain superficial but are more tolerant, having experienced a less narrow worldview

openness of worldview does not alter the depth of one's thoughts or feelings, though. i see so many lsd users having the most superificial, mind-numbing, half-assed new age skin-deep "epiphanies".
 
From the link- Magic Mushrooms Can Make Lasting Personality Changes

I am not debating the fact the can, I know they can and they do for me. I saying they don't automatically make people anything.

Just like steroids don't make people buff and fit. The people that become buff and fit are already working out 10hrs a week, the substance just helps them achieve more. If a fat lazy slob does steroids and continues his fat lazy slob lifestyle he is not going to get buff. he is still a fat lazy slob just with more testosterone in his blood.

I have seen rednecks take LSD then slam cheap beer and argue about who has a better pick up truck. They probably came to no conclusions and woke up the same ignorant idiot.

kidklmx said:
Actually they do, or at least psilocin does. Psychedelics do give me a sense of wonder about the world, but if that's the same for every personality type, I don't know. Agreed with the sentiment though, they don't make you a better person per se, but they might make you make yourself a better person. You can only do that if you have the intention to do so, there's loads of people that don't.


V (this didn't deserve it's own post)- Well, that was what I was agreeing with, wasn't I?
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bloodshed344 said:
Yes. Even today my very shallow friend is a better person having tripped a few times.

I've seen nothing but improvements for people that have done psychedelics.

EDIT: TO above post, it's both dude. People want psychedelics because they like new experiences. Any new experience, be it seeing a vast mountain up close, or being in warp zone on DMT, can be life-changing.
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This is actually precisely what I came into this thread to add actually haha.
I mean I've been doing psychedelics for 4 years now, and I'm in no way the same person I was because of the experiences I had, they've changed me for the better, but go and ask someone who hasn't done any drugs and ask them if they were the same person they were 4 years ago, and guaranteed they're going to say no.
Experiences have lasting personality changes regardless of their origin. My psychedelic experiences coupled with life experiences, the travel I've taken, etc. have changed me for the better, but it's not the psychedelics themselves, it's the experiences they've brought me and what I've chosen to take from those experiences
 
flat-line said:
I have seen rednecks take LSD then slam cheap beer and argue about who has a better pick up truck. They probably came to no conclusions and woke up the same ignorant idiot.
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Word. My friend participated in a spiritual ayahuasca ritual performed by a Peruvian shaman who is relocated to Venezuela and does ceremonies four times a year (planning on attending one eventually). You are supposed to cleanse your body, have no sex, cigarettes/weed/drugs or meat for a week, among other things, prior to the ceremony. He attended drunk, vomited his soul out, did a couple bumps of cocaine and was generally unaffected. He is not drug-naive, nor even psychedelic-naive.

Other friends who have attended the ceremony had life changing experiences that immediately reflected upon their actions.

I figure it's kind of like the way in which you can have this one teacher in high school that inspires you to become, say, a doctor. 1000 other kids were also schooled by this teacher and became nothing, though.
 
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