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Tryptamines Does DMT differ greatly from ketamine/LSD?

Smoking it is a crazy experience because you go from zero to a thousand in the time it takes to exhale a lungful. Its not that much like LSD or mushrooms. If my trip on those goes bad I can turn them around, smoked DMT there is no time, you get what the DMT gods throw at you, and its not always good. Nothing I read about it prepared me for what it would be like. You always hear the expression something is "not a party drug", I never really understood that until I tried DMT. I thought it was just old timers shaking their canes at you, because I will eat 5 hits of acid and go to a party no problem. DMT I wouldn't smoke anywhere but my home. Lots of people don't like it, this is a message board for drug enthusiasts so people here are probably more fond of it than the general population. I find it equal parts awe inspiring and terrifying.
 
I am no expert. But I have read in a few places that certain forms of DMT like 4 Aco DMT are essentially the same as PSilocybin or Ayahuasca but without some of the alkaloids and such that make you get sick or feel stomach cramps. I know this is controversial for people who want to talk about spirits molecules and clockwork elves. But if the chemical is the same in both places it simply is the same.
Now of course drinking pure grain alcohol is not the same as drinking beer or wine. There is more to an experience than the primary active ingredient.
The journey of oral 4-aco-DMT is very different from mushrooms. I've never gotten into hours long fits of giggling on DMT. Something about mushrooms is just warmer and more friendly even if you do get sick.
DMT on the other hand is much more unforgiving. Though I did find that when I was trying to get the oral dose right, and experimenting with vaping it, I rather enjoyed the underdosed state. Not losing all control. Instead kind of loitering on the threshold between wakefullness and dreaming, with none of the urgency or dread.
LSD on the other hand seems to be on the whole a joyous experience, so long as you avoid any triggers or caustic people or environments.
I know people like to lump the visual psychedelics together a lot. But you also have to consider their effect on mood.
LSD I find to be more easily a recreational thing, with a potential as a learning experience or therapeutic.
Mushrooms can be as well. But DMT is less of a toy and more of a tool. If for no other reason than it seems to do better with less stimulation and more introspection.
Never tried ketamine. Hasn't ever been around in my circles.
 
DMT is the fastest and easiest and safest way to enter hyperspace while more rare and hard to get their on other chemicals you can if you take stupid inhuman doses but this is very dangerous and usually a psychotic breakthrough.

DMT has endless depth to the experince you can enter deeper and deeper parts of hyper space each trip. Though a bad trip in hyperspace will fuck you up mentally for a while its still pretty rare. Best not to over do it since it can be easy if you get access to alot of it due to zero tolerance build up.
 
It's interesting to read so many people saying the high dose mushrooms is like DMT. I've never taken DMT, but it's always been my intuition that mushrooms (and 4-AcO-DMT) are pointing in the same direction.
 
How is LSD similar to Ketamine I wonder..?

Your question sounds like: "Are penguins exactly like insects and tigers?"

Ketamine is very dissociating in my exp, LSD feels very clear and light.
DMT feels like what people experience before they die & their mind just jacks off.
 
JohnBoy2000 said:
Is it actually life changing?

I'd want to try it, just to know I'm not missing out on some potential benefits.

But I wasn't crazy at all about shrooms or ketamine, for any purpose.
I didn't get any benefits, I just felt weird for a while and then they wore off.

Does DMT have anything worthwhile to offer - or does that depend on one person to the next?
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If you got nothing from shrooms you'll get nothing from DMT. Nothings really life-changing - it just doesn't work like that. Most of the people you meet who talk about "life changing" experiences were arseholes from day one and never changed.

High does 4-aco-dmt is the same as oral DMT without the nausea.
 
JackARoe said:
Not sure how people can do more than one. If I load 20-25 mgs in a pipe and take in in cleanly and smoothly and hold it in 20 seconds later it is like Cy'a. I have no arms or body left and am gone. Not too mention taking a 3rd hit. I am gone after one.



Agreed. I have said that in too many posts. Breakthrough has become sort of a folklore that did not exist many years ago and seemed to come about from the internet. So some people aim for that and sometimes feel dissapointment if they compare their experience to someone elses and decide it was not a breakthrough. Which to me is silly as any dose of DMT is magical and useful. And to me breakthrough is just a word for an intense experience so how can anyone say this of that about it? Sure I forget I was a human on the couch that just snoked DMT as I travel the dimensions but all I call it is a more intense experience.
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Yeah I'm the same way. I've made it so that I only need to take one hit with a decent sized bong, a large bowl, and some ChoreBoy-like material (the "crack method", as I like to call it). I don't wanna have to take more than one because, if it's good, I'll be struggling to take the second one.

As for the whole breakthrough thing, it's interesting how that term has kind of come into our collective consciousness. Maybe it did come from the Internet. For me it describes the point at which your ego kind of breaks free from yourself and you're able to observe/experience things with no pre-conceived notions. You're not exerting any effort into trying to put a name to things or consciously analyze things and are therefore able to be further immersed into the trip. I think that is the basic description for most people. Everyone's experience is different though and I get that. I have the tendency to want to perhaps over-define the more subtle aspects of the experience rather than take it all in as a whole.

Nice handle BTW.
Seen any Dead and Company shows? I honestly couldn't believe it when I heard John Mayer's name, but I was pleasantly surprised, and frankly, he's got some chops.
 
DMT is the only drug that I still regard with awe thinking about it. The high is simply on another level especially at breakthrough doses. It really is worth doing. Life really is different after it.

DMT is still the only psychedelic that gives me anxiety thinking about doing it again. And I smoked that shit probably 100 times. It's that powerful.
 
DMT to me is special, then again most of the classic psychedelics are... DMT has given me a path that no other psychedelic could give me, a purpose in life and that’s probably been the single most positive motivator for change I’ve had in my life.

Mescaline, MDMA and LSD are all held in nearly a similar regard but I wouldn’t be where I am without DMT.

I disagree that other tryptamines can sub well and easy, I’ve tried a few in my day and none really do it even when taken in “breakthrough” doses. They come close but the depth and clarity of a DMT session can’t be topped.

DMT can shred right through the delusions that other psychedelics can sometimes produce, particularly LSD. There’s no lies with DMT, only unadulterated truth.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
I disagree that other tryptamines can sub well and easy, I’ve tried a few in my day and none really do it even when taken in “breakthrough” doses. They come close but the depth and clarity of a DMT session can’t be topped.

DMT can shred right through the delusions that other psychedelics can sometimes produce, particularly LSD. There’s no lies with DMT, only unadulterated truth.
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So true. I've had several mushroom trips which gave me "DMT like" visuals.... but yeah, NOT the same. Like looking at a lit match vs being on fire.

DMT is so brutally forceful in its intentions, I think that's what gives me anxiety about doing it again. Yet there is nothing to really fear about it at all.... it's more like a glimpse at another dimension that is so bizarre and powerful that its scary to think about because it's so different. Shit, even then I can't do it justice. DMT is fucking God.
 
SnafuInTheVoid said:
So true. I've had several mushroom trips which gave me "DMT like" visuals.... but yeah, NOT the same. Like looking at a lit match vs being on fire.

DMT is so brutally forceful in its intentions, I think that's what gives me anxiety about doing it again. Yet there is nothing to really fear about it at all.... it's more like a glimpse at another dimension that is so bizarre and powerful that its scary to think about because it's so different. Shit, even then I can't do it justice. DMT is fucking God.
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Theres nothing out there IME, that can match the sheer awe one experiences during a breakthrough DMT experience, not that one is aware of themself as the world disintegrates into the geometric patterning that seems to mark the entry to hyperspace. Salvia divinorum is like a similar door to a different dimension than that of DMT, but is somehow lacking something ineffable which DMT has but salvia divinorum doesn't, not that it can't be mind shattering as well.
 
Dmt has always been much “warmer” to me than my single salvia breakthrough which was terrifying. If you didn’t like shrooms not sure you’d find dmt anything other than
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weird for a while and then (it) wore off.
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OntarioGuy said:
I have tried a few 4 substituted tryptamines IV. they all produced hyperspace blastoffs
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Curious if this includes 4-ho-mipt
 
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Ismene2 said:
If you got nothing from shrooms you'll get nothing from DMT. Nothings really life-changing - it just doesn't work like that. Most of the people you meet who talk about "life changing" experiences were arseholes from day one and never changed.

High does 4-aco-dmt is the same as oral DMT without the nausea.
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Have to quote this as a reminder.

Above, Tyson struggled all his life with this personality, egomaniac - which allowed him to be successful.

But claims stopping boxing = the best thing that ever happened to him.

= he can let his angry/emotion-side dissolve.

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Again I think it's clear emotional state defines nerve firing, thus chemical signalling.

If the emotional state is hard wired all wrong (and thus the "personality" is unmanageable), then neural signalling tends to be compromised;

Benefits may be had from drug interventions which modify signal cascades thus alternates "states of consciousness".

But via the above quote, almost always in those will distorted signalling patterns (via neural firing patterns) in the first place.
 
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"Ego" - defined as a "bubble";

It's like our electromagnetic state.

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Like the electromagnetic bubble/field that surrounds us, allows us to accomplish and succeed, but can also make others hate us, etc. (want to crush our "spirit", a synonym of "ego").

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Cognitive interference (self awareness/presence of mind) = an alternate strategy to affect this "ego/field" state - i.e. pattern of neural firing and subsequent signalling.

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Thus, relative to the above quote, if a person ultimately can't accomplish self modification sufficiently, they must modify the downstream function (chemical activity downstream of the action-potential), via drug use.

In Tysons case (arguably a huge a$$hole, by his own admission), he required use of DMT and daily cannabis.
 
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My deduction in relation to psychedelic use and self improvement (i.e. cognitive improvement):

- Cognitive determination = clear minded.

- Using psychedelics = opposite, disorientating = no benefit.

- Cognitive enhancers and neural enhancers (therapeutically dosed noradrenaline/serotonin boosters - not disorientating or euphoric) = were of benefit to me, to a certain point.

- Disorientating = NA for cognitive enhancement.
 
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