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Opioids Does cold water extraction really WORK?

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Joshie84

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Okay so I've done this quite a few times now and I always get the sludge and all that left in the filter. But I'm wondering if this is really getting rid of most of the APAP. I know there is suppose to be a minisule ammount left, but I just want some opinions on if it's really working. I usually take around 20mg of hydrocodone and right now I have the 5/500 which is 2 grams of APAP if I take 4. So any thoughts on this? Thanks in advance.. .<3
 
I've seen it done very simply, and with scales to show how much was taken out, and was really surprised myself. It was like 90% when done very lazily. I think you could probably get up to 98% if taking your time and with good equipment.

Overall, yes it works and is very worth it. I hardly notice ANY loss of the opiate when I do it, and I've experimented quite a bit with it.

So yeah, I suggest always doing it. With 4 you could CWE 2 and chew 2, then it would be even less possibly wasted.
 
Hmmm, but how do we know the shit left over is actually APAP and not just fillers and binders or whatever? And like you said I also have noticed hardly any (if any) opiate loss. I usually start with water straight from the tap then put it in the freezer until it's almost at freezing. Also I've read people start out with warm water, does that even make a difference?
 
Weigh a tablet, then after extraction weigh solid that didn't dissolve in water and see for yourself.
 
It's been many years since I've done a CWE, but when I was younger and not on dope I would do it every single time. It always worked very well for me and I, as well, noticed very little loss of the opiate.

I used to do the initial CWE, and then perform the process again to get even more of the APAP out. I don't know how much of an effect this really has, I've read it can help some.

4 I don't think is a big problem. You'd be fine chewin those up, but I understand the CWE process. Why the extra damage to the liver right?
 
bennoculus said:
It's been many years since I've done a CWE, but when I was younger and not on dope I would do it every single time. It always worked very well for me and I, as well, noticed very little loss of the opiate.

I used to do the initial CWE, and then perform the process again to get even more of the APAP out. I don't know how much of an effect this really has, I've read it can help some.

4 I don't think is a big problem. You'd be fine chewin those up, but I understand the CWE process. Why the extra damage to the liver right?
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Yes 4 isn't much but I read they lowered the max daily does to like 3,000 mg a day. My Dr. even told me no more than 3,000 mg in a day. And honestly I think if you take them every single day like me 4 could be a problem. If someone just took them every once in a while 2,000 mg isn't shit ya know? Also I've been using Lortab for years now on and off and I've tried chewing them up and honestly I don't notice that they work any better, or faster. Actually some of the time it seemed like they didn't work as good when chewed!
 
adder said:
Weigh a tablet, then after extraction weigh solid that didn't dissolve in water and see for yourself.
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But like I said how do we know that the stuff left over is really APAP and not the fillers and binders?
 
Joshie84 said:
But like I said how do we know that the stuff left over is really APAP and not the fillers and binders?
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I believe APAP has a hard time dissolving in cold water, thus whiy we put it in the freezer doing the extraction. Not quite sure on that, I used to know exactly how it worked but it's been a while since I've done it.

The binders and fillers may be water soluable, depends whats in the pills.
 
Well I've read it doesn't dissolve in cold water either but that is coming from tons of random people on the internet. They are not chemist or anything. I'm just being paranoid sorry!
 
Joshie84 said:
Well I've read it doesn't dissolve in cold water either but that is coming from tons of random people on the internet. They are not chemist or anything. I'm just being paranoid sorry!
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Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. That does raise an interesting question. But, I'm actually pretty confident in the whole process.

Someone else may have exact info about why it works, but I don't. But what I do is that I used to take 60mg of oxy (and upwards) from perc 5's via a CWE pretty often and I never sustained any damage to my liver. I had my liver test when I went to treatment for the first time 5 years ago.
 
Hmm well that makes sense. But my nephew used to get a 120 script of Lortab 7.5/500 and he isn't scared of dying like me and he used to take like 10-12 a day which is a TON of APAP. Then his Dr. started giving him Oxy 10/325 so he wasn't taking much APAP is a day. But even after the years he took the Lortab his liver is fine. I dunno it just all seems a bit random to me, I guess it all depends on the person. Also I had a liver test done about 6 months ago and one of my liver enzymes was a couple points elevated, and my Dr. didn't know why. Then about 3 months ago had it done again and it was normal.. . but I guess it being off a couple points could be due to several factors, not just cause I was on the Lortabs.
 
You're right, everyone is different. Who knows how much APAP will damage your liver seriously. I know 10-12 tabs a day is gonna be rough on your insides after an extended period of time.

I'd say stick with doing your CWEs to stay on the safe side.
 
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But like I said how do we know that the stuff left over is really APAP and not the fillers and binders?
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Well, it's simple science. If you are doing it correctly, the APAP will dissolve in warm but not cold water. The chemical properties cause it to solidify when it is cooled. The other binders and fillers and really unimportant whether they do this or not, but even if they did it would just be a more pure opiate product. The Opiates dissolve in all water (even cold). This means that the opiates are DEFINITELY making it into the water, and as many people have said, they haven't noticed much loss.

It is definitely getting the APAP out, and possibly even binders and fillers (which could only be seen as a good thing). People have done the experiments, not just a bunch of junkies making it up. :)
 
Yeah, actually since I've started doing it I usually get the headache when I start to come down, like when I used to take these cough pills my sister got, they where just 5mg of hydrocodone and that was it. Usually when there is no APAP involved I get the rebound headaches pretty quick. Man I wish I could get Norco 10/325 all the time.
 
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Well, it's simple science. If you are doing it correctly, the APAP will dissolve in warm but not cold water. The chemical properties cause it to solidify when it is cooled. The other binders and fillers and really unimportant whether they do this or not, but even if they did it would just be a more pure opiate product. The Opiates dissolve in all water (even cold). This means that the opiates are DEFINITELY making it into the water, and as many people have said, they haven't noticed much loss.

It is definitely getting the APAP out, and possibly even binders and fillers (which could only be seen as a good thing). People have done the experiments, not just a bunch of junkies making it up. :)
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Haha well that's good to hear. But like I said I just use water straight from the tap then put it in the freezer. Should I be using warm water at first? I notice a bunch of white stuff floating around in the water when I first pour it in there which I'm assuming is the APAP so why would I need to use warm water?
 
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Haha well that's good to hear. But like I said I just use water straight from the tap then put it in the freezer. Should I be using warm water at first? I notice a bunch of white stuff floating around in the water when I first pour it in there which I'm assuming is the APAP so why would I need to use warm water?
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Lukewarm is all you need (too hot could harm the opiates I've heard). I use room temperature. The white stuff floating around is probably the APAP, as it isn't warm enough to dissolve it, so it just is staying a solid rather than turning back into a solid when cooled.

My method is always lukewarm from tap, then freezer. Hope this helped! :D
 
Yeah I usually just use room temp, but the lukewarm thing makes sense, and I will try that next time. Thanks for the help!
 
Yeah, also, make sure to squeeze the leftover sludge. Try to get all the liquid that is in it, without breaking the filter obviously. There is a lot of leftover stuff in there, and if you put it in a papertowel or 2 and squeeze it, a lot of liquid is added.

Have fun and stay safe!
 
Yeah I do that too, but last time seems like some of the sludge got squeezed through =[[.
 
Does CWE really work? Yes.

In fact, we have an entire mega-thread to explain and discuss it. Check it out here.
 
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