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Does Cocaine/Molly cause Tardive Dystonia?

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Yellowfishmate

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It's been 9 months since I had a bad experience with Coke and developed randomised body tics/Fasiculations. Been reading up since then, could this be Tardive Dystonia?
 
I doubt it. It could be related but I think thats typically from things that block dopamine the exact opppsite because dopamine also controls movement so when psychotic people need high dose antipsuchptocs esp older ones they mess with those dopamine Receptors making them super sensitive. It probably has a different name
 
If by bad experience you mean you where a heavy I mean heavy scarface level doing molly or cocaine or they where grossly impure with side products and impurities ect or outright research chems Then You could of damaged it in basically the opposite way by destroying it. Consider warching whats in my baggie by vice on youtube for free it does a excelent job showing how molly isnt pure mdma and commonly bathsalts
 
I have heard of tics developing after dopaminergic drugs, after amphetamines is a common one.

I would try to see a movement disorder specialist.
 
Purely anecdotal, but I've seen some former crack cocaine users have a sort of "mouth twitch" left over from their use. Kind of like their mouth just would randomly pull/twitch to the side
 
Do you think going under General Anaesthesia (GA) will cause my tics to get worse/ do further damage? It's plays with neurotransmittors

Worried if at some stage I go into surgery it could make things increasingly worse :(
 
I wouldn't worry about that, if anything it seems like it could make it better, shutting down all the excitability of the brain and stopping movement for a while.
 
The GA cocktail is forcing the brain to perform an action it wouldn't normally do. Surely then general anaesthesia would promote action of the brain instead of shutting down excitability?
 
There may be a compensatory increase in excitability with anaesthesia if that's what you're suggesting, but I imagine that is very negligible and that GA could also be to the brain's benefit, to be shut off for a while kind of like a reset. I'm not sure how solidified the biology is thats causing the tics though, as in whether it could be reversed with some time spent without the consciousness running and motor planning type areas running at full tilt.

Just to be clear we are talking not just about fasciculations but about tics, urges to do movements and such?
 
Yeah correct Cotcha, Fasiculations and Tics.

I would have have thought the damage was significant, the reason being that after 10 months the Fasiculations and tics are still present. When I smoke cannabis my tics increase in frequency. When I'm no longer high they go back to normal.

I understand and they use Ketamine as one out of the three drugs they combine together to create the General anesthesia, ketamine is a dopamine & Seretonin provoker. If the damage of the tics and Fasiculations was caused by recreational dopamine/Seretonin provoking drugs this would suggest to me general anaesthesia is dangerous to me?
 
Im so confused did you do coke once or where you using many many many times? Do you only have tics while smoking weed?

They probably wont use ketamine and if they did that doesnt mean youd get the problems associated with recreational ketamine. Drug toxicity is a function of purity and dosage. At a hospital ketamine is pure and the dose is able to be accurately measured. For all we know you could of been doing coke that had impurities or was a totally different molecule or any idea what dosage or how often or what your vitals where.
 
Yeah yellow fish I would try to relax, and I do highly doubt they'll be using ketamine these days in all but third world countries.

I also wouldn't think of the biological changes that can produce persistent changes as being "damage", there are many ways drugs can induce neuroplastic changes that cause persistent behavioral changes without actually causing injury to the brain cells. I would definitely assume this is the case with tics, which are seen in all sorts of different cases.
 
Apologies for being away, I forgot my log in

I was using Coke regulary, I had a funny reaction to it. Had a month off, tried Coke again after the month and the same reaction came back a lot worse. After the second reaction was when my tics/Fasiculations developed and since haven't disappeared. The source was from a friend in a totally different area, miles away, so I'm pretty sure it's not purity related

My friend works with surgeons, he hands them equipment when needed during surgery. I know that sounds pretty stupid. But He says ketamine is definitely still used as 1/3 drugs when creating general aesthesia.

"Ketamine, sold under the brand name Ketalar among others, is a medication mainly used for starting and maintaining anesthesia. It induces a trance-like state while providing pain relief, sedation, and memory loss" ... It's a essentially a tranquilisor.

From reading online the amount used is also a lot greater than recreational use, greater amounts is needed to sustain unconsciousness during surgery.
D1nach if you're right, and I have damaged nerves through over excitability through recreational use... Surely there is a strong possibility of my Tic/Fasiculations worsening to an extent that could greatly reduce my quality of life?

What do you guys think?

Im purely thinking into this because I need to look after myself in the future, I'll have dependants and can't risk their futures and happiness if something goes wrong. I hope you understand why this means so much to me
 
Yellowfishmate said:
My friend works with surgeons, he hands them equipment when needed during surgery. I know that sounds pretty stupid. But He says ketamine is definitely still used as 1/3 drugs when creating general aesthesia.

"Ketamine, sold under the brand name Ketalar among others, is a medication mainly used for starting and maintaining anesthesia. It induces a trance-like state while providing pain relief, sedation, and memory loss" ... It's a essentially a tranquilisor.
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Ketamine is one of many drugs that can be used to produce surgical anesthesia. It is useful because it doesn't alter respiration and can be used in hemodynamically compromised patients. But it is only used in particular situations -- if you are going to have surgery then you would probably not be anesthetized with ketamine.
 
The difference between geting ketamine for surgery and using ketamine to get wrecked is like the difference between flying in a plane yourself with no training and the plane is of questionable quality vs being on a plane from delta airlines flown by a someone with probably decade of training and decades of experiance. Therefore even if the ketamine dose is way higher its still way safer. Picture it like playing guitar the doctor has to pick the right chemicals, pay attention to he right sounds, check for the right things, and do it all without missing somthing if you just pick up a guitar and try to play it your prob gunna mess up even if its a way less hard song. But if your the guitar play in metallica the odds of him messing up madtrr of puppets is very low
 
What you mean by limit? There is a limit on how many messages could you elaborate please? Thx
 
d1nach Yes there is ai limit on how much memory you get and you've exceeded it. Unless you delete some, no one can send messages to you and you can't send any. Apologies for hijack, OP
 
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