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Cocaine Does cocaine have a calming effect on people with AD/HD like amphetamines?

Stimlover22

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Just alwsys been curious since cocaine is a hard stimulant. I know it would be a useless ad/hd drug anyways if it did considering the duration of effects.
 
Ehhh, I have noticed calming effects however it's highly dose AND purity dependent. If it's not pure enough, I don't get high at all. If it's too high a dose, I'll feel stimulated rather than calmed.
 
I have ADD but I find cocaine (and MDPV) to be one of the few stimulants that does not create a calming effect.

Then again, it's been years since I've taken cocaine through any other route but IV. When injected, the rush is intense but calming in a strange way that doesn't make much sense, but immediately after the 2 minutes (max) of bliss, I experience extreme increased heart beat and anxiety. With very good cocaine the effects are a little less intense, it's still there. IMO cocaine effects me very differently than amphetamines, which make me calm, to the point where I sometimes fall asleep.
 
Glad you brought this topic up, Stimlover. It's been years since I've indulged in that particular drug....
and YES, it made me feel focused, MENTALLY and EMOTIONALLY calm, and centered. Physically, I was very productive, ie: enjoyed organizing junk drawers and cleaning house and stuff. It didn't even bother me when friends who had partaken with me got all weird and paranoid lol.
Unfortunately, my affair with it was fairly short-lived, as I made the dire mistake of moving on to crack. That's a nightmarish time I won't get into here, and again, it's been years since I've done it as well.
I was diagnosed with AD/HD when I decided to go back to college at the age of 26 or so. It really Shocked me because I had not heard much about that disease before. I had just about all the symptoms.
I learned that people who went undiagnosed with adhd as children had an 80 percent chance of developing substance abuse problems later in life.
After my initial reaction of "Great, here's something ELSE wrong with me" I was actually very relieved, as it explained SO much about my childhood, adolescence and early adulthood.
I will try and find the journal articles that I read regarding this issue if you're interested. I can't remember all the details, but basically people with AD/HD have something missing (wheather it's an actual chemical or some sort of deficient processing, I don't remember) in their brains that causes lack of stimulation that "normal" people have. That's why they can't sit still or pay attention well as children, and why they may engage in risky drug abuse and sexual behaviors as they get older. Their brains lack the stimulation needed, so they often self-stimulate (usually inappropriately, unfortunately :().
I now take methylphenidate,and it's made a world of difference for me. Theoretically, these drugs help a person with this neurobiological condition to focus, calm down, etc. If one in fact does not have AD/HD, they're more likely to feel jittery, paranoia and stuff...bc they get an overload of brain stimulation. Although I have many friends who take methylphenidate and more often mixed amphetamine salts (Adderall) recreationally and enjoy it, though not to the same extent as coke.
This is kind of strange. This subject has been coming up frequently in the last few days!
I apologize is this post has been poorly worded and/or hard to follow... I had a really hard time sleeping last night and I just woke up.
 
IMHO the whole it doesn't effect ADHDers the same as normal people is probably bullshit. If you look at the side effects it's pretty similar to what you'd expect from a stimulant. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of one study that's tested this theory by comparing the effects with normal people and ADHD people. I think it's the dose and the context it used. Also think stimulant can be relaxing.

I find the right dose of amphetamines and cocaine in particular pretty relaxing. But cocaine and MDPV do jack shit for attention, only good for partying.
 
IMHO the whole it doesn't effect ADHDers the same as normal people is probably bullshit. If you look at the side effects it's pretty similar to what you'd expect from a stimulant. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of one study that's tested this theory by comparing the effects with normal people and ADHD people. I think it's the dose and the context it used. Also think stimulant can be relaxing.

I find the right dose of amphetamines and cocaine in particular pretty relaxing. But cocaine and MDPV do jack shit for attention, only good for partying.

Hi THC2LSD!
I can see where you're coming from and I am SURE (just as is the case with AD/HD medications) there are some people who use or even fake the condition in order to justify their drug use.
With that being said, I doubt there are any studies (especially ones available to the public) that specifically prove that "cocaine produces a calming effect for people with AD/HD" lol.
I will however, try and dig up the info about the differences in brain chemistry that exist btwn those with AD/HD
and those without. (That is, if you or anyone else here is interested.)
As far as the opening poster's question is concerned, I guess it is subjective. In my experience, cocaine did produce the effects I mentioned ...
BUT again- I'm sure there are many with AD/HD who get no calming from coke whatsoever.
I guess anyway we look at the situation, it's all subjective and we all have our own unique experiences to share.
This is why I love BL...we can have friendly conversations like this, even though there are many conflicting beliefs/opinions :)
 
If you have ADD or AD/HD, you most likely experience a calming effect with any stimulant, however even if you do have ADD, enough coke or meth and you will definitely be more tweaked than relaxed. Also depends on ROA. Smoking crack is generally more stimulating and IV is generally more euphoric/calming.

Methylphendiate is a similar drug to cocaine, working in the same way and possessing a similar structure to cocaine, and it is most commonly prescribed CNS stimulant for ADHD and ADD. How I look at it is, coke is to ritalin, what meth is to adderall. MPH is really weak though, unlike cocaine.

@THC2LSD there havent been any studies as far as i know, but i know for a fact that people with ADD that i have been around while on stimulants definitely act a lot different and report slightly different effects than people who don't have ADD. I think ADD people have a dopamine, NE, or adrenaline deficiency or something, that amphetamines and cocaine fix, thus the difference in effects is due to the difference in dopamine/NE/adrenaline activity. This is just my theory though.
 
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UeFuck m.d.p.v, i.am the biggest fan of most cathinones/amphetamine analogues/ designer stimulants, and m.d.p.v is the only stimulant i could even fathom to flush the toilet, and that is what I did. My best friend and i went on about a 30 hr binge, only had euphoric effects for us like 2 hours. The rest was a living nightmare.

M.D.P.V made us feel like alzheimer's patients and literally retarded. We couldn't converse because we felt like our short term memory was erased. We would say something, and not remember what we just said 5 seconds after saying it. He had a hard time stringing words together, and it was hard to process simple words. And WTF, we were sitting at a table silent. I felt like I was a puppet being controlled by an invisibke force. For some reason unknown, I decide to pick up the full ashtray off the table and I deliberately turned it over and emptied it on the carpet, complete mind fuck. He was like what the fuck why did you do that. Like a robot I answered a simple "I dont know"

What made me flush this evil fucking demon dust of a stimulant was when my buddy looked at me, and said man, we gotta flush this shit right now, I just had a visuak of ripping your heart.out of your chest and eating it, he said im really disturbed. This was at about 25 hrs into it. We had about 50mg left but I said fuck this shit, took the vial and emptied that shit and made it disappear. We have done various bath salts together on binges and had a blast namely ones containing mephedrone, but this shit is some twisted shit unlike any other stim I have tried. Most stimulants give you.the urge to redose, but its like this shit has something in it like a spiritual force that is forcing you to snort me just to feel even more puppet controlled. The mother fucker who first synthesized this garbage should be taken out back somewhere and shot between the eyes.


So if you want to feel infantile and like you suddenly dropped about 30 i.q. points try M.D.P.V

If you think you would to experience cannibalistic visions, feel like an Alzheimer's patient because your memory is no more. It was literally a fucking challenge to attempt to string together simple sentences.The worst part is that itvseems almost some invisible dark force is telling you do more against your will. This drug lies and promises more of that short, intense lovely rush that it suckers you in with. After that buzz was gone it was sheer torture. The only way this curse of a powder got disposed of was ny friend telling me he was getting visions of ripping and eating my heart out, that scared him so badky it had him in tears.

Take my advice, don't do this drug. It sucks, it's morbid and it brings out abnormal fascinations.


Last thing, this drug.is very deceitful. It will fuck with your mind and promise you that.small euphoria you experience, but every line you do, the sinister power within this white powder will laugh at you and it will keep you in bondage untik you say no more or until you experience thoughts that make you sick and nautious. Be safe, I am sticking to meth the real "devil drug" is M.D.P.V. Be safe, no your limits and rethink experimenting with this drug.
 
I've found amphetamines have the so-called paradoxical effect for just about everyone. It's not uncommon to see a tweaker or crackhead sit still, intensely focused on whatever, ADD or not. If you focus on moving around doing a bunch of shit you'll do that. If you want to sit and write, read or draw you'll do that.

That's probably how they work, it makes mundane tasks easier to pay attention to, even keep your interest. It'll work in regular people too, that's why adderall's so popular with students and some workers. That's why they give it to pilots.

I really think it's the cultural expectation that have a big role in the effects. I remember an article, can't seem to find it now, that said cultural expectation can influence the effectiveness of drug. Aspirin worked in some countries like the US for heart attacks, but not in other countries. Benzos the same. The color of the pill can change you perception of the effects. Look at everyone who says this brand of oxy is way worse than that one. It's kind of like nitrous or ethyl chloride where everyone bursts out laughing because they're called laughing gas. Usually they huff the balloon like it's a bag of paint, when it's best to hold it, but I digress. It makes me kind of giddy but it's not uncontrollable laughter like Salvia.

Really the current stimulants aren't so much like a scalpel, selectively raising dopamine in just the right areas of the brain to just eliminate symptoms and nothing else. It's more like a club hitting multiple parts of the brain and body. It's 19th century medicine, not some super advanced selective shit. Can't think of one drug that is.

macd610 I would love to see some studies. Did read some that indicated in some people with ADHD dopamine levels were lower in certain parts of the brain, but I'm not sure if they showed it normalized them or used a control. Forgot which parts, been awhile since I took anatomy and physiology.

I do think it's effective for reducing symptoms from ADHD. I just don't think there's any proof that it works vastly different in ADD people than in normal subjects. I mean no one's saying it has no other effects for narcoleptic or obese people even though the effects treat the symptoms, or that pain patients have an endorphin deficiency. It just reminds me of the "serotonin hypothesis" with SSRIs or the COX-2 hypothesis for shit like Vioxx. It just seems like a marketing gimmick to reassure doctors, teacher and parents that they aren't going to turn their kids into tweakers. And it won't because it's taken in a controlled moderate manner in a medical context. Actually there was a study that found that untreated ADHD were more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, but those that were treated early actually had a lower risk.

I really don't give a shit if doctors believe this myth and just give it to whoever. I think anyone should be allowed to get them. I'll get stimulants anyway since I definitely have ADD. And in doses that work it does have a stimulant effect for me. Not like smoking crack or shooting meth, subtle but noticeable.

I do wish that they would come up with something that was very selective. It'd be a good nootropic in addition to an effective treatment.Imagine an amphetamine with a ceiling effect at 60mg like a Nubain or Subutex for stimulants. You could take it in beneficial doses but not do tweaker shit even it you tried.

I Think Cylert might have came close but never was popular and pulled from the market due to an unacceptable risk of liver failure. Not very common but not rare. No way to predicted it. Imagine a kid dieing of liver failure because they were given a drug more toxic than methamphetamine! For ADD! I think it might not have been as hard on the liver in adults but it was only studied and marketed for children

Also they tried that with Vyvanse. The hypothesis was that it would only work orally because it needed to be broken down by trypsin in the gut, be extended released, and that higher doses would overwhelm that enzyme giving it a ceiling. Later experience showed that it was basically an IR prodrug for dextroamphetamine, converted in the bloodstream, no real difference other than costs and patent protection. DEA saw through Shires shit and made it schedule II:(. Clobenzorex is an old drug that is like an XR dexedrine prodrug. But it was pulled of the market in the US like a lot of stimulants were. No money to bring an old drug back.

And good coke snorted is probably one of the most laid back uppers. For me at least.
 
Coke made me wanna sit back but paranoid. My favorite thing to do on drugs is to go on car rides anywhere. Back in the day I could spot a cop car a mile away just by the look of the headlights.

Meth or crystal just made me awake and calm. It didn't really do anything except make my mouth feel gross.
 
From what I've heard / read, methylphenidate (Ritalin) is similar in effects to cocaine. I have ADD and used to snort 5 - 10 mg of dexmethylphenidate (active isomer, so double the potency of regular methylphenidate) to help me sleep. It worked very well, especially considering my severe insomnia. It was a perfect combination with zaleplon: 10 mg of each and your thoughts would be simultaneously focused like a laser beam and shut off. I could go on and on about this combo...but back to the subject: I consider dexmethylphenidate a drug that focuses my thoughts, with no energy or euphoria associated.
 
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