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Does believing in Evolution say a lot about you

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methamaniac

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I've honestly found that you can tell a lot about someone from their views on theory of evolution.
I have my own that I can defend with ease.

Do you see any patterns with the belief of evolution?
Do you think it is a religion?
 
It says nothing about a person. It just says that you paid attention in school. If you believe in evolution as a social representation of how things should and do work in society then it might say something about you.

Evolution can't be classified as a belief. Unless you can believe there is a keyboard behind these words.
Is it a religion? No.
 
I think it says a lot about how you view our place in nature. I feel like the people I know that don't believe in evolution see humans as the pinnacle of nature, we are the shepherds, we are the smartest and we can force nature into submission and take what we want from it. They see themselves as separate from the whole like aliens dropped off here by their God, and I think that is the cause of a lot of our environmental and social problems. We don't see or care about our connection to the rest of nature and instead just try and beat it into submission for its resources. Evolution isn't a religion in my opinion because it isn't a belief system, it is demonstrably true that creatures evolve and change based on their environment and if someone doesn't think that is true they are more than welcome to test it out themselves. It can be incorporated into most religions because it doesn't have anything to say about 'why'.
 
Evolution can most certainly be classified as a belief... every idea is a belief.

I don't necessarily think it says something definitively about a person one way or the other though. It requires that you have been given access to that information, as someone is unlikely to arrive at that conclusion without being taught it (though certainly not impossible, it's happened before of course if only by those who developed the science). I do think that a lot of the time people don't believe in evolution it is purely because of a misguided attempt to adhere to religious dogma even if they have been shown the information, but you can't necessarily fault someone for that... it often comes from a place of fear, that believing otherwise would cause you to go to hell, or to no longer be accepted by your community.
 
It says not ing about a person. It just says that you paid attention in school.

The old I'm not smart enough to understand arguement. Enlighten me then all you enlightened ones.
Explain to me how living fossils exist today.
How can an organism remained virtually unchanged for 80-hundreds of millions of years without change? Let me guess, its perfectly suited for its environment. How clever. Every other species have to change for evolution to work, but not these guys. They decided to chill where there were at.
How does that not take faith to believe? You allow yourself to BELIEVE no change for hundreds of millions of years is ok, but then BELIEVE and have
to accept billions of changes for evolution to get to us.
Your faith is strong, I might not be able to convince anyone who believes this anything to the contrary.
You may want to stop believing the emperor has clothes on when he clearly doesnt cause you're afraid you'll appear stupid if you dont...
Cause if the emperor ain't got no clothes on he ain't got no clothes on.
 
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Evolution can most certainly be classified as a belief... every idea is a belief.

It doesn't take faith, it takes a systematic approach to whether or not you accept it as Truth. In this instance we cannot say evolution is a belief system, because it isn't a philosophy. While what you said was true but only in an elementary sense. Religion can be systemically disproven.
 
It doesn't take faith, it takes a systematic approach to whether or not you accept it as Truth. In this instance we cannot say evolution is a belief system, because it isn't a philosophy. While what you said was true but only in an elementary sense. Religion can be systemically disproven.

Well said. Photosynthesis isn't a belief just because we can't physically see the shit happening, but it's happening right now.
 
I think believing in evolution says about you = logical. Plain and simple. Not so much if you try to sync it up to your whacked out religion .
 
You may want to stop believing the emperor has clothes on when he clearly doesnt cause you're afraid you'll appear stupid if you dont...

I'm most certainly stupid.

That is not one of my fears. Also, I am afraid you're going to have to do your own research as it is a wide topic.
 
I think believing in evolution says about you = logical. Plain and simple. Not so much if you try to sync it up to your whacked out religion .

Just because it's presented more logical doesn't mean it's more logical - this world is all about presentation.
 
It doesn't take faith, it takes a systematic approach to whether or not you accept it as Truth.

Double talk!
Your redefining terms in order to avoid answering question I posed above.
Let me define faith from dictionary:
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something------ie EVOLUTION.
evolution is the something
scientist are the someone
Just be intellectually honest and admitt your using faith. You have faith that scientist are correct in what they are telling you and you have faith in evolution because you have never observed it or seen any factual evidence that shows one species can become another species. Its elementary.
What are you scared of in saying it is your personal belief it is true.

Now, I gave an example of how it requires faith to believe in evolution. I.e an example that seems to show evolution doesn't happen backed by a FACT.

OK, here is where you use a FACT to disprove me.
See how it works.
Sorry to sound honorary, but I'm not letting you move the goal post here with ad hominem statements about logic
 
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Double talk!
Your redefining terms in order to avoid answering question I posed above.
Let me define faith from dictionary:
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something------ie EVOLUTION.
evolution is the something
scientist are the someone
Just be intellectually honest and admitt your using faith. You have faith that scientist are correct in what they are telling you and you have faith in evolution because you have never observed it or seen any factual evidence that shows one species can become another species. Its elementary.
What are you scared of in saying it is your personal belief it is true.

Now, I gave an example of how it requires faith to believe in evolution. I.e an example that seems to show evolution doesn't happen backed by a FACT.

OK, here is where you use a FACT to disprove me.
See how it works.
Sorry to sound honorary, but I'm not letting you move the goal post here with ad hominem statements about logic

Sorry but I don't have trust in the scientific method. You see it has produced things that immediately prove itself as Truth. Airplanes for instance. If you can lay hands and cure cancer, get back to me.
 
Yes you do. Thanks for being honest.I can respect the hell out of that.
Difference with the side I'm on I can observe my fact stated above. It doesn't jive with what Darwin claimed.
" Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I wonder if I may have not devoted myself to a complete fantasy."

Charles Darwin


Thanks. I have a wolf hybrid and thinking about eugenic breeding makes me strongly believe in evolution. I think of eugenic breeding as just a way we basically made evolution happen at sonic speed. Plus I look at her and I can see a horse ...or a catfish ... ha. It's weird. I can see all the animals through my dog.
 
Thanks. I have a wolf hybrid and thinking about eugenic breeding makes me strongly believe in evolution. I think of eugenic breeding as just a way we basically made evolution happen at sonic speed. Plus I look at her and I can see a horse ...or a catfish ... ha. It's weird. I can see all the animals through my dog.
Yeah, that is just a reshuffling genes that a dog already has. All dogs can be traced back to a wolf type animal. There all still dogs though. That's why your dog can express wolf characteristics. No change in species.
They may be shorter, taller, more /less hair, faster/stronger but their still just using characteristics all dogs can express. You breed your dog for a million years It wont add new information to its genome.
You have actually hit on a something.
A lot od people think by adding mutations to generic diversity you can get new species. Genetic mutations are nearly always harmful to species. Another pesky fact.
 
Well, I guess intelligent enough to use a fact instead ad hominem attacks on someone else's intelligence.
Again, explain why living fossils do not discredit evolution.
Keep it between the goalposts. ...
I'm still waiting

Just because it's presented more logical doesn't mean it's more logical - this world is all about presentation.
I agree.
 
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One thing I'm sure of is that this thread is 100% guaranteed not to change anyone's mind.
But the forces of nature don't give an f what anyone thinks, and natural selection is proceeding just the same as it has since life began on this planet 4.5 billion years ago.
 
One thing I'm sure of is that this thread is 100% guaranteed not to change anyone's mind.
But the forces of nature don't give an f what anyone thinks, and natural selection is proceeding just the same as it has since life began on this planet 4.5 billion years ago.

Word :)
 
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