Does being a junkie really mean i can only get anti depressents?

The reason people are so down on benzos is because of the end result. They will help you only for so long. So just because you did tons of bags a day doesn't necessarily mean your equipped for a benzo addiction.

Being addicted to benzos really sucks. It's sort of like the last thing you want to choose to help you. Trust me man I know how you feel. I cant say i've train hopped and done all that shit. But i've had to deal with anxiety and once upon a time felt the same way.

The thing with benzos are they are actually more addicting then opiates like heroin. You will always have to take them to feel normal. The euphoria boost they give is a hit or a miss. Most of the time your not going to get that once your addicted your just going to feel normal.

I felt the same way as you so I said fuck it and started taking them. Well slowly the dose kept going up and going up. Then a few years into it I was so dependent on them. I needed them to survive, I felt like if I missed a dose I would have a seizure. I was tied to a pill bottle and those pills were my life force. It's a nasty feeling. Feeling like if you dont have some pills your going to have the worst, and I mean worst withdrawal ever.

See the thing is when you have to come off of them. And eventually you will, it is going to make kicking dope look not as bad. The shit really fucks with your brain and your personality and your moods. I mean if you think your depression is bad now it will be worse when your on benzos or especially if you have to quit. It takes months to years to recover and bounce back to normal. At least now if you can get some good sober time under your belt you'll slowly loose some of the anxiety. It's just going to be super intense because you just quit opiates and you have all this bad shit going on in your life. But give it sometime. Get a place to live and a job and just take it 1 day at at ime.

So my point is benzos are no good. I wish I would of listened to someone when they warned me. Honestly those Dr.s are doing you a favor. See the benzo's can help short term. But long term they will rip everything apart. They will leave you feeling way worse then you did when you thought you needed them. They really are fucked up.

However~if you really do understand that, and still want to take them. Then there might be a bigger problem.

I would be really happy if I could just persuade one person to not take benzos. They will wreck your life. I will say this as an ending point. Everyone that takes benzo's for anxiety likes the way they work at first. But that quickly dissapears and once your addicted your not going to like the way it feels to be dependent on them. I would say it's like hell on earth.

Since I got free from benzos I haven't been happier. To be honest with you the only thing that makes me crave them is when I chip on fucking opiates, so i'm probably going to give that up to now. Once you get the opiates out of your system and are clean for awhile you wont even want them anymore, trust me.


Well, i think it depends on if you were on them before you started using. And I've tried to take other stuff for anxiety, such as vistril and busbar; however, within one week of being off of them I stopped breathing twice, once had to be rushed to the hospital and put on oxygen. And yes, I was tapered off very slowly. Some people just have very severe anxiety, and until medicine advances benzos are the only effective thing at the moment. Also, just because you are easily addicted to any substance you get doesnt mean that anyone who takes benzos will be addicted-regardless of their past. Some days I can take one, some days i need all three.. and im a former addict. If you have a true anxiety disorder, simply being sober wont magically make a medical illness disappear and diminish your need for treatment of said disorder.
 
did you miss the part that he has been sober for three years? I was a five year heroin addict- 3 grams a day, and the sleepless nights last like a few months at most. Do your research. If hes having anxiety and depression THREE years sober, its obviously not a side effect of coming off of heroin. Though drugs can still affect your system for up to one year, three years is impossible. Go to AA and preach to someone there.
 
I know what its like to have a 10 plus pack a day heroin addiction for almost 7 years. And Im gonna tell you buddy there is absolutly no way that you are gonna beat this addiction without going thru some sleepless nights, and pain. We cant expect to put our bodies thru what we put them thru and expect to just recover over night. I went months before my sleeping habbits began to go back to normal and they still arnt normal. Ever heard the phrase "No Pain no gain"? Its time that you sit back and you let the professionals treat you and its time to listen to their advice. Your way obvioulsy hasnt worked so its time to try their way. I hate to sound harsh but its reality. What it all boils down to is how bad you want it. Just give it time and your body will start to heal itself and your chemicals will become back to normal after about a year or so. And im not bashing suboxone but thats also a chemical so that could have something to do with it. I wish the best for you God Bless

did you miss the part that he has been sober for three years? I was a five year heroin addict- 3 grams a day, and the sleepless nights last like a few months at most. Do your research. If hes having anxiety and depression THREE years sober, its obviously not a side effect of coming off of heroin. Though drugs can still affect your system for up to one year, three years is impossible. Go to AA and preach to someone there.
 
I've just come off a 10 year heroin addiction and little over 3 years of hopping frieght trains and squatting in every city that had good cheap dope. But after my partner fell 4 stories and shattered half her body, I decided to get my shit together and use these worthless BA. I've found a Dr who gives me all the suboxone I want but he wont do anything more. So I started going to psychiatrists, because I guess after 10 years of shooting drugs and 3 years of sleeping outside and literally fighting for my life ive developed depression and crazy anxiety. They gave me zoloft which feels like the bad parts of an acid trip and told me there is no chnace of getting something like Xanax because I'm an addict. Ive seen 3 dr's now and they all say the same thing.

Find a different doctor, Ive had anxiety since middle school and been on benzos ever since. So, its kind of obvious I have anxiety--any decent doctor would not be so judgmental of your drug history and provide you with the medicine you needed.Its unethical to judge you that way, I recently read an article in times written by a top doctor who said that all doctors, even himself tend to judge those with drug histories and are hesitant to treat them, but they must because it violates their ethical code. Anyway, even in two different rehabs and a detox facility they gave me my benzos. Maybe try seeing an older doctor, theyre usually more understanding. I find that young ones that know youve done drugs (even if its nothing similar to what you were previously addicted to) will claim prozac claims everything, from anxiety to depression and god knows what else. My doctor knows I have been a heroin addict for five years, and only very recently quit, and still relapse sometimes. I am prescribed suboxone, 6 mg of klonapin a day, and clonidine for sleep. The reason Im on benzos, is because I have severe anxiety and currently its the only treatment for it, so if you do too-you probably need it! Staying off heroin for three years is extremely commendable, so I cant believe anyone could say your anxiety is still a side effect from that. Anyway, try a new doctor and try telling them you were prescribed it by another doctor, but you moved so you need a new one. I know it sounds unethical, but its better than going to the street..
 
To the OP:

I really feel for you, it's an extremely shitty situation to be in, but all the stuff about NA/AA (despite agreeing with you) is completely irrelevant-

NO doctor, who is in position of your medical records (you could try getting a tiny xanax script from a walk-in doctors office or an after hours- but that is just the middle class way of heading to a traphouse and buying a couple of bars), is EVER going to prescribe you anything with ANY abuse or addiction liability. None. Never. Ever. Because they can't, because they won't, because it's just not going to happen.

You need to stop dwelling on this, it's not doing you any good. You say you want more time to paint and that you're suffering from insomnia- start an insomnia painting that you only work on while sleep deprived. Doesn't matter if it's shit and you don't like it, keep working on it until you do like it. When that's finished, if you still can't sleep do paint another one- paint a whole series of paintings inspired by nothing but your sleep-deprived brain- it may not make you sleep, but it's going to make you hell of a lot more than being pissed off about the limitations on what can and can't be prescribed to you. You are suffering from PAWS and chronic insomnia is part and parcel of that, but it will sort itself out.

The reason you get subs is the same reason you can't get xanax.

Besides- you're pissed about the insomnia? Pray you never injure yourself seriously from this point in your life until your death- you ain't gonna get shit, no matter how fucked up you are. Even if you're 20 years clean and in a car wreck the second the work out who you are you're gonna be on minimal morphine with a 100% NSAID take-home. I've been in over a dozen car wrecks (I can't drive- so none of them are entirely my fault) and have broken half a dozen major bones- if I didn't get my morphine shots and my morphine/codeine take-home I would have killed a man. With my good arm.

And really, insomnia isn't the worst thing in the world. Insomnia is the main reason I even go on the internet. Being awake an extra 4-5 hours a day is pretty fucking rough from a general 'feel good about facing the day' point of view, but you can do all sorts of productive things in the dead of night when no one is gonna disturb you.
 
actually the first time i ever got klonopin, i was in a mental hospital and i was still having to have wounds from abscess surgery cleaned by doctors every day. so, it is possible. but it can take years to find the right doctor.
 
The thing is, is that the fact that you are so set on wanting xanex means you will never feel better because you will never give anything else the chance to help you. I believe that when someone sets their mind this much on something that no meds will actually help unless you get the one that you 'believe' will work, even if you are wrong. I am guessing you aren't a doctor and therefore can be humble enough to admit you may be wrong, you can't know the answer for sure and maybe you should listen to the advice of those who know better.
 
I've just come off a 10 year heroin addiction and little over 3 years of hopping frieght trains and squatting in every city that had good cheap dope. But after my partner fell 4 stories and shattered half her body, I decided to get my shit together and use these worthless BA. I've found a Dr who gives me all the suboxone I want but he wont do anything more. So I started going to psychiatrists, because I guess after 10 years of shooting drugs and 3 years of sleeping outside and literally fighting for my life ive developed depression and crazy anxiety. They gave me zoloft which feels like the bad parts of an acid trip and told me there is no chnace of getting something like Xanax because I'm an addict. Ive seen 3 dr's now and they all say the same thing.
Is this shit for real? Do I really have to smoke and drink myself to sleep every night until I can afford to see someone in chinatown who will give me what I need? I just don't get it its hard enough to not buy dope from my pot dealer when I sleep 2 or 3 times a week.
I guess I'm wondering if this is common practice or if I'm just running into a bunch of assholes.
Thanks

I'd give the full talk to each doctor and show them your metaphorical door if/when they say no, and calmly explain in detail why, using nothing but the truth. I've gotten even some of the strictest ones to prescribe me not just suboxone, but benzos and amps; and I was NOT doctor shopping.
 
The thing is, is that the fact that you are so set on wanting xanex means you will never feel better because you will never give anything else the chance to help you. I believe that when someone sets their mind this much on something that no meds will actually help unless you get the one that you 'believe' will work, even if you are wrong. I am guessing you aren't a doctor and therefore can be humble enough to admit you may be wrong, you can't know the answer for sure and maybe you should listen to the advice of those who know better.
when people say that kind of shit to me, the rage of 8 years of misdiagnosis and wrong medications and hospital stays makes me want to punch them in the goddamn face. don't know if this guy has any history like that, though.
 
For what it's worth to the OP, I too had/ have a bad opiate problem.....not as bad as yours, but bad enough. I see where your coming from in regards to the xanax, I really do, I would've done the same thing......in fact I did.

Almost 5 years ago I had a bad motorcycle racing accident that almost killed me and of course I was given pain meds. We all know where that leads. After years of snorting oxy, opana, or whatever else I could get or do I realized I needed to stop. I used xanax and valium for the withdrawals. After being off the opiates for months I kept using the benzos and one day I realized they just weren't doing it for many anymore. I just went through a rough opiate withdrawal a few months ago and didn't feel like going through another withdrawal at that time so when left with the decision, what did I do? I decided to use the opiates with the benzos for double the fun......then I was fucked. I did this for over a year or so.......and I was doing pretty high doses of both. After my family found out what I was doing I did the stupidest thing I've probably ever done......I went cold turkey off both. Talk about pure fucking hell. About 7 days in I had a full blown grand mal seizure and woke up in the hospital, it wasn't fun. It took about 6 months or so to just feel somewhat normal.

I'm only saying this because I was thinking the exact same way you are, I though I could handle it and I couldn't handle it........shit, I still cant handle it. I'm still fighting all of this and have moved on to worse shit since then.
 
if I had the damn money & what I'd suggest you to try is looking into Ibogaine treatment. You have to go to Mexico or Canada to get it though cause our laws are so damn anal. The data collected from hours of research said the proper dose of Ibogaine will detox you without these long, hellish w/ds that drone on forever and once detoxed sets the neurotransmitters back to how they were before using. I know how you feel, because I'm so tired and unfocused without my maintainance dose of meth and pills, but fear asking my doc for Rx for ADD--not to get high, because tolerance would prevent that, yet I wouldn't be falling asleep or be dependent on black market distributors. In the meantime, have you tried Valdrian (Health food/vitamin store--its where Valium comes from.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, or anything but, just gonna respond to the OP

Now and days benzos aren't the norm for 1st line anxiety treatment. There are many good reasons for this, especially with a history of abuse of drugs. There are many, and I mean many different drugs used in the treatment of anxiety, even with in SSRI's that have come out over the recent years that may not have any of the side-effects you've experienced so far. As much as i dislike anti-depressants and SSRI's I do come to recognize that with the larger variety of them on the market, especially with the intent to reduce a lot of the common side-effects people come across, they can be very beneficial especially compared to benzos for long term treatment (more than a few months). There are also drugs like SNRI's that are tolerated a lot better than SSRI's among people who have nothing but negative experiences with a verity of them. MAOI's that many people fine very effective, but have large amount of interactions. tricyclic antidepressants for certain types of conditions. Various Anticonvulsants have also been seen to help anxiety and other forms of mental disorders, with great success. Some of these with less side-effects than others, like gabapentin (some find it to be a great mood stabilizer, fantastic for social anxiety and decent for GAD - this coming from my experience). Even some Parkinson's drugs have been shown to be effective in reducing both anxiety and treatment resistant major depression (pramipexole, ropinirole). Alpha-2 adrenergic agonist as well may be an option No matter what pharmacological treatment you may go with, it is also important to always involve therapy with it. It can help limit the dose they may place you on (less you try to improve yourself they are more likely raise the dose), and this leads to higher side-effects. It can limit the length of time on the drug/s, which is good for any treatment, and post treatment. It will potentially do more good than the drug therapy on it's on as it will allow you to alter how you function/interact once with out any medication. They can help with issues that you may not even know where causing problems, or even help give you a neutral friend to bounce ideas off of. If you recieve a benzo, it is probably the most important thing you can do as well. No benzo script for anxiety should be taken with out weekly or more therapy sessions that you take ultra seriously. If you don't try to take advantage of therapy, there is no point to benzos besides finding easy anxiety relief till you are forced off them, throwing yourself into anxiety that makes what you have now seem like nothing.

With all the options of medications honestly it is not the best sign to get overly picky about the drugs you'd like to take for your problems, not to mention you may not even know what specific disorders or symptoms of certain disorders you may be exhibiting that can make a better choice in medication for you. Wanting/expecting a certain drug also will limit the effectiveness of all other drugs you try. The mind is a powerfull thing and because you think xanax or whatever benzo is the right thing for you, you will convince yourself that to be true. A therapist and psychologist can help find one that may help worlds beyond the limited scope of benzos if you go in with a open mind. Majority of these drugs can help with multiple issues involve with recovering from drug addiction, multiple different type of disorders that have anxiety as a common feature (anxiety can be a result of a more specific problem, and not just solely general anxiety disorder. Not to mention having general anxiety disorder can lead to the potential of other disorders). The majority also don't have the as lasting of negative side-effects like benzos have (gaba modulation, leading to your anxiety being worse than when you started, especially with out frequent therapy TAKEN SERIOUSLY). Also, xanax would be a terrible option for a benzo for anxiety therapy unless your dealing with preventing panic attacks, only taking as needed (preferably not everyday). Long action benzos, would be better options, especially to help prevent with abuse. I've noticed alot of docs script clonazepam, and once you build a little tolerance to them, getting high becomes pretty much impossible, which is good. Being on any abusive meds while trying to recover isn't a good idea.

If you are considering benzos also because you are having trouble sleeping, then I can tell you, that is also a terrible reason to choose them over other anti-depressants. There are less troublesome sleep aids out there like the z-drugs, or some of the anti-depressants above (pramipexole, some snris, alpha-2 adrengeric agonists, gabapentin, etc) that can help out with your sleep issues with out all the dependency issues. You may even notice that getting a quality nights sleep will reduce a good portion of your anxiety, or other symptoms making non-pharmacological options for treatment more effective. Not to mention majority of benzos do not give you a qualities night sleep. They will mess with the sleep cycle preventing you from getting the proper sleep even with say 8 or 9 hours a night.

If you do get one a benzo, please go for a long action benzo, stay at the lowest dose possible. You may not feel 100% anxiety free, but that will prevent a bad dependence, help you work through your anxiety issues, reduce side-effects (memory issues, sexual issues, irritability, somnolence), etc. Like I've said multiple times go to therapy and make use of it. That may mean finding the right therapist for you. Don't shrug off therapy because you had a few that you didn't click with. When you actually find someone you enjoy seeing every week, you'll see noticeable gains in your mental health, the people around you will see it, and you'll just start to feel the world beginning to click once again.


I think honestly, expecting any medication to 100% get rid of your symptoms especially mental health is a terrible thing. You are putting to high of expectations on drugs, and in the case of benzos like i said above, you wont really be working on getting through your problems. If you aren't experiencing any anxiety its likely you will have a hard time even learning to get over it, or deal with anxious situations through changing the way you behave. Your also not guaranteed to be able to start functioning like a successful human being just because your major symptoms are taken away, you still need to work. Think about how opiates can take away all of lifes problems, and yet you still may not be able to get the As in a university class cuz you so feel good atm, so you don't care atm to study. Or you just glide along doing the minimum to function in life yet, not progressing because your feeling good, so why try when you don't even have to try to feel good?

while you are seeking out finding the right medication, try the best you can at using the non-pharmacological route to the fullest. Start carrying a little notebook to express yourself, remind yourself of things, keep track of you behaviors and habits, etc. Start carrying out a diet plan. Not saying you need to lose weight, but eating like all those stupid health food triangles say with exercise everyday will make any anti-depressant work 100x better, but also function as one. Stop all recreational drug use. I've found seeking out instant gratification for feeling good is the worst thing you can do while depressed. It leads to old habits, prevents you from following along with your therapy plans, makes your mental symptoms worse, and the side-effects of the drugs themselves become worse. Forexample with weed, the more depressed I am, the worse it will make my memory, kills my motivation, etc.

I'm sure alot of this has been said over and over, and probably has a lot of mistakes but it late as shit, after working all day then going to class all day. I'll tell you what though, working and going to class, on top of going to therapy has made a huge increase in my mood/direction in life that frequent TDSers can easily see.

Good luck.
 
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It is common practice - I have been on Suboxone now for 7 years, my first sub doctor prescribed me XANAX as well as Ambien.I was paying him $250 a visit each month so he wrote whatever scripts I needed. Now I have been on XANAX for 7 years and am no longer with that Suboxoine doctor as he was all about the money. I found a new sub doctor ($100 a visit and only makes me see him every three months, but he would not give me XANAX. Since I had established a history of Xanax on my chart I was able to get my primary care doctor to prescribe it. I would suggest finding another doctor who would be open to prescribing you the medicine you need. Mentioning that you are an addict will definitely affect his decision weather or not to give you XANAX and if you can avoid mentioning anything about suboxone or addiction you have a better chance of having him prescribe it to you. It really does suck that once you tell them you were/are an addict they treat you different. If you are anything like me- I stopped being an addict after using suboxone. I never finish my XANAX prescription early or take more then prescribed- if I were an addict I would take all the pills as quick as possible. Good luck REDNEWYORK
 
If you truly want to stay clean, and have no self-control with benzos or opiates, shouldn't you tell your doctor that you're an addict? When I was addicted to hydros/benzos there was absolutely no way I could turn down a script of either, but they cut me off over time without me mentioning addiction.
 
MAOI's that many people fine very effective, but have large amount of interactions. tricyclic antidepressants for certain types of conditions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emsam
It is Selegiline in trasndermal form: ..basically - "Selegiline is a methamphetamine derivative with a propargyl group attached to the nitrogen atom."

It avoids A LOT of these issues by bypassing the gut. It has even been shone to greatly improve the lifespan of rats. Currently being used for major depressive disorder and Parkinson's. It sounds promising.
 
No not at all& I agree with everything YOU said

I've just come off a 10 year heroin addiction and little over 3 years of hopping frieght trains and squatting in every city that had good cheap dope. But after my partner fell 4 stories and shattered half her body, I decided to get my shit together and use these worthless BA. I've found a Dr who gives me all the suboxone I want but he wont do anything more. So I started going to psychiatrists, because I guess after 10 years of shooting drugs and 3 years of sleeping outside and literally fighting for my life ive developed depression and crazy anxiety. They gave me zoloft which feels like the bad parts of an acid trip and told me there is no chnace of getting something like Xanax because I'm an addict. Ive seen 3 dr's now and they all say the same thing.
Is this shit for real? Do I really have to smoke and drink myself to sleep every night until I can afford to see someone in chinatown who will give me what I need? I just don't get it its hard enough to not buy dope from my pot dealer when I sleep 2 or 3 times a week.
I guess I'm wondering if this is common practice or if I'm just running into a bunch of assholes.
Thanks
. Yes you DO have to hide your past& truth from most Dr.s today because they couldnt care less abt you once they hear addict. I am a former addict too been off heroin for over ten yrs, and the way I accomplished it was taking XANAX. 12 steps do NOT work for heroin. I do not care what anyone else claimed here, it does not prevail! Its WRONG too. You can get benzos even if youre a former addict if you find a decent caring Dr. And I have. Thank whoever rules the universe- I found one- after ten jerks. If you cannot find one LIE. Xanax works miracles long term for panic attacks as long as you take it as told to. If you abuse it you will be thrown off it- so if xanax helps that well you wont wish to jeopardize that once you get on it, trust me. Im a realist- I have unconventional opinions, I know no one really stays 100percent clean,they will sometime need some med. or help in life. Oh well. Do what you need to do, I know your post is older but I felt strongly enough to still reply. Get on xanax if you can it will help you! Ten yrs of no heroin is proof enough of that and no one can call me just an addict inside talking- or if someone does, the heck with them they are wrong and ignorant. Only a person with no understanding of heroin and pain would say 12 steps is succeeding! BS. Only someone who has no experience with this at all would say xanax is a bad idea. No its not. Id have died long ago without it. I had severe anxiety before I started drugs- thats WHY I started. If someone had given me what I needed sooner in life (benzos) Id not have needed the dope in first place. Its time Drr. S realize that& act accordingly. You are right& I feel for you& hope since last yr you found someone to help? If not move to my state! Drs here are open to things more. Im on your side, or the side of the original post anyhow.Ive been taking X for ten yrs now with no abuse of it, even after heroin addiction that lasted ten yrs before that, so you guys opinions are shot by the facts. Everyone below that is talking out of ignorance. Do 12 steps?? Eat brocolli?? Riiight you are all insane. The best of luck.
 
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