girlgone11
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I have been on 4-10mg of suboxone for 3and a half months i cannot afford it any more and i have oxys to help with withdrawal will i have withdrawal? Is my dose a high dose? When can i take the oxys?
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NeighborhoodThreat
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You will certainly have withdrawal, you can take oxycodone right after the Suboxone/buprenorphine if you really want to, or you could wait until you're in WD from the Subs to take the oxycodone (should take 12-36 hours after your last Suboxone dose).
1) You will definitely have some withdrawal symptoms. That being said, most people find the withdrawal to Suboxone to be relatively mild compared with that of other opioids, including Oxycodone.
2) Because Oxycodone users generally experience more severe withdrawal symptoms, you should really consider whether it is really a wise decision to take it. Taking opiates to ease the withdrawal of opiates is really just prolonging the inevitable, in my opinion.
3) Your dose is very high, perhaps even a little unnecessarily so. When I was prescribed Suboxone to help with heroin/oxy withdrawal, my dose was around 16 mg/daily and it worked like a charm. I've heard that there is a ceiling effect around 32 mgs.
4) When you can take the oxy depends on how large your last Suboxone dose was. Buprenorphine has a half life of 20-70 hours, mean of 37 (Wikipedia). What this means is that for an average person, at the 37 hour mark, half of the Bupe is still in your system. In another 37 hours (on average), half of THAT (not the initial) dose is still in your system.
Most people just go by 36 hours because it's easier to do the math, so in this example I'm going use 36 hours. If you took 40 mg today (tuesday) at noon, thursday at midnight you would have 20 mg still in your system (still too much to take Oxy, it will block the effects), Friday morning at noon you would have 10 mg, then Sunday at 12 AM you would 5 mg, and finally Monday at noon you would have 2.5 mg remaining, which is a negligible and low enough amount that you can take Oxy without having to worry about the effects being noticeably diminished.
Best of luck to ya
2) Because Oxycodone users generally experience more severe withdrawal symptoms, you should really consider whether it is really a wise decision to take it. Taking opiates to ease the withdrawal of opiates is really just prolonging the inevitable, in my opinion.
3) Your dose is very high, perhaps even a little unnecessarily so. When I was prescribed Suboxone to help with heroin/oxy withdrawal, my dose was around 16 mg/daily and it worked like a charm. I've heard that there is a ceiling effect around 32 mgs.
4) When you can take the oxy depends on how large your last Suboxone dose was. Buprenorphine has a half life of 20-70 hours, mean of 37 (Wikipedia). What this means is that for an average person, at the 37 hour mark, half of the Bupe is still in your system. In another 37 hours (on average), half of THAT (not the initial) dose is still in your system.
Most people just go by 36 hours because it's easier to do the math, so in this example I'm going use 36 hours. If you took 40 mg today (tuesday) at noon, thursday at midnight you would have 20 mg still in your system (still too much to take Oxy, it will block the effects), Friday morning at noon you would have 10 mg, then Sunday at 12 AM you would 5 mg, and finally Monday at noon you would have 2.5 mg remaining, which is a negligible and low enough amount that you can take Oxy without having to worry about the effects being noticeably diminished.
Best of luck to ya
girlgone11
Bluelighter
I took 4 milg day before yesterday and 4 milg yesterday and none today so when again should i be at my lowest your replies were very thorough i just wanna triple check thank y'all so much
Your fine right now hun.WHat they forgot to mention, is that even though you took 4mg, only 20-30% actually gets into your system.This is becuase the bio-availability if suboxone is so horrible, that, unless your injecting it, you get only a fraction of the dose.Thus, if you took 4 yesterday, 1-1.5mg actually ended up in your blood stream.4mg the day before means the exact same thing.So by yesterday, your dose from the day before had reduced to about halg a milligram, and by today, yesterdays dose is also around half a milligram. All in all, there is less than a milligram in your sytem, and, depending on your metabolism and tecnique, there may be nothing.So your fine hu.Actually, you would've been okay yesterday.No offense to the people who replied to you, but they we're misguided.I myself have now moved on to IV'ing Suboxone, and if I am forced to do Subbies, in my vein is the only way that's worth it, as 1mg injected makes me feel fine, while it takes half a pill under tongue. But for future reference, it's ok to take other opiates after Suboxone, as long as there is less than 1mg in your sytem, and less than half to be safe, with a minimum wait of a few hours if injecting, and 12 or more sublingually, depending on dose.To figure out how much is in your system, refer to bioavailability charts, they are all over the net, just make sure to reference the info.Also, IT DOES NOT take 72 hours to eliminate 75% of the "active" dose, otherwise one injection would have you geeking for days LOL!!! I don't know where the math came from, perhaps he was thinking about actual clearance?in any case, it never takes more than a day to get full effects from other opiates, unless extremely high doses are used, though again, you would need to inject for that much to get into the system.
Wow I just read the whole reply from yb62338. I take it you don't know much about buprenorphine? Not too sound like an ass, just be careful referencing Wikipedia 
WOuld also like to add, he is right about the build up effect.If you take these things everyday for weeks, it will take longer to clear, though they shouldn't be affecting cns much after the first day or so, as long as it's 4mg sublingual(1mg IV, 2-3mg Intranasal, or something like that)
WOuld also like to add, he is right about the build up effect.If you take these things everyday for weeks, it will take longer to clear, though they shouldn't be affecting cns much after the first day or so, as long as it's 4mg sublingual(1mg IV, 2-3mg Intranasal, or something like that)
Wolfmans_BrothEr
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You'll probly feel some w.d, 4mg is a pretty high dose
Taking ur oxy won't do anything for the first 24-48 hrs so if you want to get the most out of it you should wait. That being said unless you take very small doses all your going to do is prolong/worsen the eventual w.d...if ur serious about getting clean
Either way I jumped off at 4mg and even tho I was on it for 6 months as opposed to 3 chances are your w.d won't be
pleasant, it gets better after the first week or so trust me on that
If you don't mind me asking what exactly is it in his post which implies he doesn't know much about buprenorphine?
Taking ur oxy won't do anything for the first 24-48 hrs so if you want to get the most out of it you should wait. That being said unless you take very small doses all your going to do is prolong/worsen the eventual w.d...if ur serious about getting clean
Either way I jumped off at 4mg and even tho I was on it for 6 months as opposed to 3 chances are your w.d won't be
pleasant, it gets better after the first week or so trust me on that
Wow I just read the whole reply from yb62338. I take it you don't know much about buprenorphine? Not too sound like an ass, just be careful referencing Wikipedia
If you don't mind me asking what exactly is it in his post which implies he doesn't know much about buprenorphine?
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girlgone11
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Well I've been off the sub over 3 days now and took two oxys yesterday and two today i do not wanna restart the oxy habit so I'm gonna try n only do one tomorrow we'll see thank you all for all of your advice its much appreciated