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Does anyone have experience with P2P meth?

Not a chemist, but the science od chemistry just doesn't support this type of thinkin
I've said this before and I'll say it again: Science doesn't have all the answers. If it did it wouldn't be science (it's a method, not a dogma).

It's like the difference between eating eggs from a chicken that could run around and eat bugs vs. one that was locked up in a cage all its life. The first chicken's always tastes better. Or the difference between factory farm raised pot grown under ideal conditions indoors vs. some plant grown outdoors in variable conditions that only got watered whenever it rained and some cow shit in a hole for fertilizer. The science will tell you the first plant has much higher THC content and it's cleaner. But the old timers will always swear that old seedy outdoor monster produces a better high.

I am a firm believer that you impart some part of yourself into these processes. Kind of like back when we were pulling DMT out of bark all sourced from the same vendor. Everyone swore (unprompted) that they were seeing the same old lady spirit when they did one particular batch and digitized symbols when doing the other. The only difference between both batches was the person doing it. Everything else was the same. But if the female was doing it everyone saw the female spirit and if the male was doing it everyone claimed it had a digital edge. If they happened to do it together then the users would claim it was a combination of both the usual things they saw.

The world is a strange place. It's why I can spend 3 hours looking for some small item I lost only to find it laying out in the middle of the room on a table I've checked multiple times after giving up looking for it. Fuck if I know what's going on.
 
Yeah sadly those days are gone, wish I was around back then. I have a hunch even the P2P shit back then was better.
I was 17 when I started using that dope! I was only snorting at the time, I could make a half gram last a week. It was potent stuff, I'm glad I wasn't slammin back then!
 
The science will tell you the first plant has much higher THC content and it's cleaner. But the old timers will always swear that old seedy outdoor monster produces a better high.
This really stresses the importance of doing blinded studies when possible, I've ran a gazillion of these things on my own just to try to remove peoples' preexisting biases, it's fascinating what cuts through the placebo/nocebo effect and what doesn't.
 
I was 17 when I started using that dope! I was only snorting at the time, I could make a half gram last a week. It was potent stuff, I'm glad I wasn't slammin back then!
Yeah I had something a few years similar too what old timers described shit would not wear off and little chunks got me absolutely fucked up with euphoria and also gave me one the most memorable psychosis experiences lol.
 
This really stresses the importance of doing blinded studies when possible, I've ran a gazillion of these things on my own just to try to remove peoples' preexisting biases, it's fascinating what cuts through the placebo/nocebo effect and what doesn't.
Well the so-called placebo effect has been proven multiple times to cure various aliments up to and including cancer. So it's important to keep that in mind as well.
 
Well the so-called placebo effect has been proven multiple times to cure various aliments up to and including cancer. So it's important to keep that in mind as well.
Yeah, both placebo and nocebo responses appear to be relevant to degrees that are expectedly difficult to adequately characterize, the more data we can gather on these things via sound methodologies and the more we can attempt to reproduce studies, the better off we'll be as far as understanding all of this mess. For as often as I'm a polypharmacy madman, I also have a habit of weird metabolic purity when getting to know a new substance, usually my dailies are caffeine and THC and I tend to steer away from those two for the day until I've come to know something new. Really getting used to daily drug use through the use of ayahuasca and cannabis shaped me to be very very careful in how I get to know new things, I think.
 
I've slowed down as well. The entire medical field of science pisses me off so much. Science in general since it has been reduced to a dogma/religion. It's far worse than the church ever was on that front. Not surprising since a lot of it comes out of the same institutions that have been controlling thought for thousands of years (Rome's little church has their paws deep in so many fields of science). The worse part is so few seem to be aware just how much is coming out of the Vatican city-state and other similar so-called religious organizations and societies. The general public thinks there is some type of war between science and the mainstream church(s) (cults) when they're really tied together at the hip.

The fact that the Vatican is sitting on tons of world's oldest books and scrolls in their library and refuses to give open access to the rest of us even though all of that stuff should have been digitized and spread far and wide through protocols like the web way back in the 90s really pisses me off. We aren't allowed to read those books and scrolls because the contents would probably blow everyone's collective minds and bring down the current world order. Or maybe not. Most likely they could allow fully open access but people would still call you crazy for citing anything within them because the TV has such a grip on the general population's thoughts that they could say water isn't wet and 99% would believe them because it'd be the new dogma. Talk about mind control and double think.

You want to go down a wild rabbit hole read about how the hz music is preformed/produced in was changed from 432hz to 440hz by a certain organization just about a hundred or so years ago. How you can actually heal people or change their mood based on what hz the music is being played in.

It blows my mind that most people do not even know basic stuff like what you can see with your eyes (light) and what we call "radio" exists in the same spectrum. Along with many other things (X-rays, Microwaves etc). If you could see the common frequencies used for power/radio you wouldn't be able to see your hand in front of your face now because we've shit up the spectrum so much with man-made sources over the past 100-200 years. Then the TV with its "programming" will call anyone that points out this may be causing common problems that only started to appear 100-200 years ago like cancer and flus crazy. Despite the fact that there are legions of respected scientists that have researched and proven some links.

Modern science might as well be a dogma/religion. It functions just like one. It's so bad the common person doesn't understand that science is a method to discover truth about nature instead of absolute truths.

Don't even get me started on the magical thinking that is modern science through math. Where you basically having a bunch of people shitting out unproven equations and making shit up to explain massive gaps in the standard model. It's the definition of magical thinking.
 
The general public thinks there is some type of war between science and the mainstream church(s) (cults) when they're really tied together at the hip.
Any info on this? I've spent a good chunk of my life in academia, worked on some peer reviewed papers, had two PhD offers but the stipends were bogus. Many of my close friends are doctoral students right now (or already finished their programs) and I've not once heard of religious involvement in academia. If there is outside involvement like this, I'd love to know as I'm working on some code right now to attempt to automatically flag peer reviewed research that comes from funding which would warrant skepticism.
We aren't allowed to read those books and scrolls because the contents would probably blow everyone's collective minds and bring down the current world order. Or maybe not. Most likely they could allow fully open access but people would still call you crazy for citing anything within them because the TV has such a grip on the general population's thoughts that they could say water isn't wet and 99% would believe them because it'd be the new dogma. Talk about mind control and double think.
I wonder if they are just shit optics for whatever this church/group is, and I'd argue that at least from my perspective as a 27 year old who's lived up and down the east coast, but nobody trusts jack shit. It's wild, people don't trust the news, they don't trust their local newspaper, they don't trust social media feeds, I'd argue that the distrust we have in every point of our information ecosystem is a natural and expected response to it having been weaponized as it was, but also we need to focus on rebuilding this in a more transparent way that works better. My degree was specifically in information security, and it was studying exactly this issue.
You want to go down a wild rabbit hole read about how the hz music is preformed/produced in was changed from 432hz to 440hz by a certain organization just about a hundred or so years ago. How you can actually heal people or change their mood based on what hz the music is being played in.
432Hz Is usually referred to as "scientific pitch" and 440Hz is usually what's used now because 12 tone equal temperment (the way we cut octaves into notes in western music) is specifically supposed to be logarithmic, and using 432Hz is less accurate than 440Hz. In reality it tends to vary from 440-444Hz for A4, some people especially in the northeastern US prefer 444Hz.. The organization responsible for these determinations was the ISO, the International Standards Organization, we don't have to refer to them as "a certain organization" here, not really sure why you would assume that but Bluelight and the ISO are assumedly on alright terms I would assume haha. I used to be an audio engineer and have worked in live settings and tuning pianos for quite a while, nobody outside of freakishly pitch-accurate musicians will notice if you're 8Hz off in that range, hell many people who I've blind tested on it prefer A4 to be tuned up to the old "HP" (High Pitch) standard of 452Hz.

It's interesting that people go off about this all the time when there are actual things worth pursuing conspiratorial thought over, the involvement of many of the western world's major corporations (especially automotive manufacturers) with having funded and aided every party during WWI/WWII is so much more damning than nonsensical conspiratorialism over tuning systems when these same people can't explain the difference in Just Intonation and 12-TET to me without having to look it up first.
If you could see the common frequencies used for power/radio you wouldn't be able to see your hand in front of your face now because we've shit up the spectrum so much with man-made sources over the past 100-200 years. Then the TV with its "programming" will call anyone that points out this may be causing common problems that only started to appear 100-200 years ago like cancer and flus crazy. Despite the fact that there are legions of respected scientists that have researched and proven some links.
When I was young I would play with breadboards and RF frequencies a lot, and there sure are some really strange and unexplained things that happen in that domain. If you sit around with a broadspec antenna though and just log every single thing that comes in, even in the middle of Manhattan I wasn't picking up on much that was unexpected. The specific frequency bands that things operate in are pretty narrow for the most part, the wicked broad ones that are easy to stumble upon accidentally are the frequencies used by first responders. I've picked up police and fire transmissions through the literal jack of my headphones before, while plugged into an aux port, it's kind of jarring at first but then it becomes pretty fascinating once it all clicks and makes sense. Idk much about TV as I was born in a time where it was already kind of outdated and unnecessary, but you say they will call anyone that points it out? Like call on the phone?

Cancer's been well documented since the B.C days, if you want sources on this I'd be glad to provide some. Influenza, as far back as I could find dates to ~1500 (doi:10.1086/657429), but there's reason to believe it's been around for much longer than that. I'd love to see some sources you have surrounding these claims you've made, I'm genuinely curious. Science get a lot right and a lot wrong, but it will never be worthwhile without being willing to look at what it may have done wrong and reevaluate things.
Modern science might as well be a dogma/religion. It functions just like one. It's so bad the common person doesn't understand that science is a method to discover truth about nature instead of absolute truths.

Don't even get me started on the magical thinking that is modern science through math. Where you basically having a bunch of people shitting out unproven equations and making shit up to explain massive gaps in the standard model. It's the definition of magical thinking.
I agree wholeheartedly with this, math that's too deep in theory to even be practical in computational contexts (modeling computational complexity, analyzing the constraints of abnormal automata we could engineer via PCBs/FPGAs, etc.) serves really nobody. I would argue that economics is even worse in this way, significantly too "written by those who benefit from it" imo. Psychology kills me in this regard too, as you mentioned science is a method to discover truth, and every scientist I know personally and have ever met is kind of imprinted with a significant dose of skepticism. I've never met someone who actually works in or tangential to academia who believes in some sort of "scientific dogma", I think it takes someone who's never really interfaced with science to think that it has all the answers. Nobody thinks they know less than everybody else, than somebody with a PhD. Every door you open just shows you how many more are left shut.
 
Any info on this? I've spent a good chunk of my life in academia, worked on some peer reviewed papers, had two PhD offers but the stipends were bogus. Many of my close friends are doctoral students right now (or already finished their programs) and I've not once heard of religious involvement in academia. If there is outside involvement like this, I'd love to know as I'm working on some code right now to attempt to automatically flag peer reviewed research that comes from funding which would warrant skepticism.

I'd have to come back when I have time to pull proper sources if you want those. But the gist of it is this: Most (all basically) grant money the large researchers and profs teaching at major schools rely on to cover that gap in the year where they aren't making salary comes from the National Science Foundation in the states (and let's face it, the world). The National Science Foundation is the organization passing out all that sweet grant money that pays for your studies, experiments and covers that multi-month gap everyone needs to fill each year when they'd otherwise be without a salary. I could direct you to some talks where someone goes into detail about this if you want.

But it goes beyond that of course. It's the journals. If you can't publish you can't make it. There are many topics where you don't get published if you go against the dogma. Then there is the entire issue of organizations like DARPA and other alphabets controlling who and who doesn't get that sweet NSF grant money.

I wonder if they are just shit optics for whatever this church/group is, and I'd argue that at least from my perspective as a 27 year old who's lived up and down the east coast, but nobody trusts jack shit. It's wild, people don't trust the news, they don't trust their local newspaper, they don't trust social media feeds, I'd argue that the distrust we have in every point of our information ecosystem is a natural and expected response to it having been weaponized as it was, but also we need to focus on rebuilding this in a more transparent way that works better. My degree was specifically in information security, and it was studying exactly this issue.

In my experience far more people are trusting than not-trusting. Basically, everyone that can't for themselves trusts the media, Government, media or a combination of those. The type of people that watch the nightly news every night at 6pm and take whatever is said there as gospel. Which sadly makes up a large part of the population. Especially among the very old and young.

432Hz vs. 440Hz

I was using this as an example of something more I should have been more clear about. But let me ask you, are you familiar with the tests that were done on water and how it responds to sound? I believe they were conducted by a Japanese team. Very interesting stuff. It isn't so much just the music thing (although that is part of it). It's more about how if the spectrum is being shitted up with so many man made sources things can get bad for people's health/mood/etc.

We were not living in this soup in the spectrum 200 years ago and we keep adding more to the soup with each passing year. There is great documentation to show that mass die-offs were happening every time something new in the spectrum was lit up. There is a book called "The Invisible Rainbow" about this subject that I think you'd find very interesting. Everything you probably want to know is in it.

I wasn't talking about the ISO either. Before the ISO mandated another group was pushing hard for it (I don't even think the ISO was a thing when they first started pushing for the change). I'll admit though since its been 2 or 3 years since I read about this stuff in detail I'm fuzzy on the details right now. I think that book mentioned above also touches on it slightly. Although, it's more about when electricity then later the telegram network was first lit up. The after that the early stuff in the radio spectrum just before WW1 and later when more and more things were lit up in the spectrum for applications like radar in WW2 (then mass broadcasting after the war).

I'd have to dig it up again but I have several patents issued by the US Office dealing with things like being able to effect the mood of someone with a common TV and LCD monitor using pulsed frequencies. Guy applied for and got the patent in the early-mid 90s in addition to about 20 related patents. Where they proved they could do things like change the emotions of someone in the same room as a television even if that person wasn't actively paying attention to it. At the end of the patent he even lists off several "evil" applications that could be applied. Guy opened a webpage (no defunct) around the year 1999 where he was warning about it and seemed to feel guilty about what he invented/discovered.

I could dig you up some stuff if you want when I have more time.

The greater point is there is no way we evolved to live within the soup we're currently walking around in. If we had organs that could see/hear it we'd be so overwhelmed we most likely couldn't function. There is absolutely no way it isn't doing bad things to us (many of which have been proven over the years). Yes I'm aware cancer and "the flu" goes way back through history in the documentation. But keep in mind that could have easily been from natural sources (the sun) and of course the same symptoms of sickness can be caused by various different things. The book I mentioned above shows a pattern of mass die-offs due to pandemics happening every time a new portion of the spectrum was lit up. The Spanish Flu being one of the prime examples.

You're probably best off reading the book and making up your own mind. It includes mountains of sources and I read it in like 1-2 days. It was an interesting read for sure.

I agree wholeheartedly with this, math that's too deep in theory to even be practical in computational contexts (modeling computational complexity, analyzing the constraints of abnormal automata we could engineer via PCBs/FPGAs, etc.) serves really nobody. I would argue that economics is even worse in this way, significantly too "written by those who benefit from it" imo. Psychology kills me in this regard too, as you mentioned science is a method to discover truth, and every scientist I know personally and have ever met is kind of imprinted with a significant dose of skepticism. I've never met someone who actually works in or tangential to academia who believes in some sort of "scientific dogma", I think it takes someone who's never really interfaced with science to think that it has all the answers. Nobody thinks they know less than everybody else, than somebody with a PhD. Every door you open just shows you how many more are left shut.
The problem with academia is the fact it operates as a modern priest class. Same thing new name. No one is saying they're wrong about everything. What I am saying is many of them refuse to question basic things. Mostly things they've heard repeated to them over and over again since childhood or their early years in "higher education".

It's absolutely 100% true that there are a wide variety of topics that will get you laughed out of the room and blackballed at every institution of higher learning in the west. Just like it's easy enough for anyone to see that the spooks have a major hand in the affairs of most major universities. In fact, it's their primary recruiting ground.

I know my own chosen field is filled with a bunch of horrible practice and outright lies being peddled by people claiming to be "experts" who sell a lot of people a bill of goods. The entire "cyber security/infosec" field is a total joke for an example.

Oh and it might surprise you but concerning science and religion being joined at the hip. I highly encourage you to read more about the Catholic church's role in the standard model. Without the Catholic church you do not get the standard model we have today. Up until the early 1900s most every well known scientist/celeb daring of academia was on team God (well team Vatican). The Vatican runs many things today like you wouldn't expect. Like several major telescopes. They've also published some really wild books in the past 10 years or so concerning things like ET contact and promotion of things like the big bang theory.

I haven't got many good sources for you right now. I could dig them up. This is stuff I picked up over the years and I'm just recalling from memory.

By chance, are you aware of the 12,000 year destruction cycle for the planet Earth?
 
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