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does anybody else think hard drug users and psychedelic users should switch drugs?

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invictus

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seriously, it seems like there is a certain type of person that is drawn to these types of drugs, and I think both groups of people would benefit and be well to do if they switched the types of drugs that they abused.

Hardcore junkies could really benefit from a psychedelic ass kicking where they are forced to see the pain they are causing other people and themselves where their ass gets raped mentally by a giant tryptamine dildo of good will. They see the needle marks on their arms morphing and melting into guardian angels who behoove them to get their third eye out of the pawn shop, and see the blood stains on the wall, the web of lies, the river of deceit that flows down, down, down, while they watch the blood flow in the muddy sewers, and they get hit, and they should have known better.

Spiritually, they die young, so they take another hit of dmt, and bury their brother, the demon junky monkey on their backs, and they never look back.


Whereas the psychedelic enthusiast, who thinks he's gods gift to philosophy, has a million dead shirts (even though he hasn't even seen THE SCHWAG)...and is supported by mom and dads money while he trips 4 or 5 times a week and posts on the shroomery (under the name sheekle) about how great life is and how people need to chill out because life is great and everything is going to be okay.

This guy is a parody of himself, he hates the fact that you like his posts, and he needs to sell off his rc collection, start injecting street drugs and contract hep c while he steals and rips off his friends and family to feed his habit. He will do himself a great service because he will build character and shed pounds and pounds of pretense, living wild in the jungle, while he learns that life is not all butterflies and rainbows.

Anybody else agree?
 
Wow thats pretty interesting. Im into opiates pretty heavy, and i like to trip at least every couple months and i have to say it does kick my ass back into shape when i need it too. Matter of fact im about due for a trip pretty soon here. Gunna try and find something that wont show on a piss test
 
I guess you don't realise that A LOT of psychedelic users get hooked on opiates. It's incredibly common to see someone start out mainly tripping & then switch to IV heroin, e.g.

Look at Jerry Garcia as a prime example. I can think of many BLers for whom this is true.
 
Jerry Garcia probably realized what a douche he was becoming, and tried to make a change for the better. My guess is it was too late for him to be as cool as axl rose.
 
I used to be a heavy tripper (hallucinogens multiple times a weak), then I switched to a hard drug user (heroin w a little coke and benzos in the mix).

Abusing either has negative effects on me.

Nowadays I've settled in between imo, I like a light trip (weed and low dose dxm) w some kratom and couple beers.
 
people like you just need to find a happy medium,

some people will be effected negatively by either,

so I'd suggest cannabinoids and an otc dissociative, with an herbal opiate that has stimulating properties but minimal dopamine euphoria, and 2 to 3 alcoholic beverages.
 
invictus said:
people like you just need to find a happy medium,

some people will be effected negatively by either,

so I'd suggest cannabinoids and an otc dissociative, with an herbal opiate that has stimulating properties but minimal dopamine euphoria, and 2 to 3 alcoholic beverages.
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Yeah booooiiiii!!!!! Exactly, that's that good stuff.
 
It's good to have a bit of experience with both I suppose. Your description of a "psychedelic user", while funny and true in some cases, is overall not too accurate. If a psychedelic can kick the ass of someone living an addicted life then it's also bound to kick the ass of someone abusing psychs the way you described. Tripping 4-5 times a week is certainly abuse and mentally may very well be just as damaging as being a junkie.
 
Many people who abuse physcs end up self medicating the damage with benzos and opiates. Just how it is. I never dug a deep hole with either, but thats how I moved to opiates no question. Rolled too hard one weekend, the crash depression was intolerable and I self medicated. Then I started doing that whenever I used phychs/mdma too often to avoid the come down and such.

For some of my friends it was far worse. The damage caused by MDMA/abusing psychs made it so they only felt normal with downers. I imagine they could have gotten through it, but it would have taken more then a few weeks. Once the hole is dug few are strong enough to climb out of it right away.
 
World peace for sure because no one could function, lol. If by dusted you mean PCP, Angel Dust. Nothing ever made me feel like a piece of rubber that couldn't speak than Angel Dust. Some fun shit in moderation. Sorry for going off topic.
 
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Perhaps the original poster has a Point, being an example of the switch myself - psychedelics to heroin. It definitely cut me down to size and taught a heavy "no one is immune" lesson, although who knows how that's beneficial to anyone else. Or even beneficial to me once the lesson was learned but the lifestyle continued. Took me a couple of years to quit hanging out in "memories" and thinking that life "before" could be again attainable (friends, parties, trips, selling "trip drugs.") Still like psychedelics when the opportunity arises (only four in the six years of living here,) fun and good feelings and thoughts and analysis. Yesterday the realization hit me that in all this time living in Vegas - over six years - no dissociative use. Those became a preference over "serotonergic hallucinogens" for quite some time, maybe this whole thing was a progression into how things are now. Would love some ketamine or DXM, alas, almost consistently broke because of...
 
I was more interested in psychedelics when I first started using drugs, having used opiates earlier than psyches. But now, psyches just seem to put me in a darker hole than I already am... I can't even enjoy psychedelics any more. I overthink everything and crave perfection, regardless if I'm on drugs... and these personality factors don't seem to pair with psychedelics. Mushrooms make me very much aware of all the problems in my life, the very problems that I use hard drugs to escape from.

I wish I could enjoy a good trip, maybe some day.
 
Well, that's a very judgmental post.

Like others have said, not just anyone can enjoy psychedelics. I can't do psychedelics... I suffer from anxiety and some other stuff and it does NOT go well with psychedelics. Oh I've tried them many times before but it made my anxiety so much worse. I enjoy hard drugs much more.
 
Flaga121 said:
Many people who abuse physcs end up self medicating the damage with benzos and opiates.
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Interesting point, I've never really thought of it that way.

I sometimes feel as if I'm in a perma-trip, less so now than I used to, but opiates just make me feel more comfortable. I was taking benzos heavily at the same time I was heavily using LSD though, so it's not like I'm less stable now than I used to be...

Interesting thread either way. Most hard drug users would definitely benefit from an ego-shattering acid trip (or ayahausca or ibogaine), but I'm not sure IV coke or dope would be helpful for heavy trippers. They need something to bring them back to reality but I don't know if an action drug addiction is the way to do it. And maybe it's my personal bias but I think we'd all be better off if everyone was more like the heavy trippers. (not the ones running around naked with delusions of grandeur, but the ones who can handle their shit and just like waxing intellectual)
 
invictus said:
Whereas the psychedelic enthusiast, who thinks he's gods gift to philosophy, has a million dead shirts (even though he hasn't even seen THE SCHWAG)...and is supported by mom and dads money while he trips 4 or 5 times a week and posts on the shroomery (under the name sheekle) about how great life is and how people need to chill out because life is great and everything is going to be okay.

This guy is a parody of himself, he hates the fact that you like his posts, and he needs to sell off his rc collection, start injecting street drugs and contract hep c while he steals and rips off his friends and family to feed his habit. He will do himself a great service because he will build character and shed pounds and pounds of pretense, living wild in the jungle, while he learns that life is not all butterflies and rainbows.
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i just can't stand these types
 
invictus said:
seriously, it seems like there is a certain type of person that is drawn to these types of drugs, and I think both groups of people would benefit and be well to do if they switched the types of drugs that they abused.

Hardcore junkies could really benefit from a psychedelic ass kicking where they are forced to see the pain they are causing other people and themselves where their ass gets raped mentally by a giant tryptamine dildo of good will. They see the needle marks on their arms morphing and melting into guardian angels who behoove them to get their third eye out of the pawn shop, and see the blood stains on the wall, the web of lies, the river of deceit that flows down, down, down, while they watch the blood flow in the muddy sewers, and they get hit, and they should have known better.

Spiritually, they die young, so they take another hit of dmt, and bury their brother, the demon junky monkey on their backs, and they never look back.


Whereas the psychedelic enthusiast, who thinks he's gods gift to philosophy, has a million dead shirts (even though he hasn't even seen THE SCHWAG)...and is supported by mom and dads money while he trips 4 or 5 times a week and posts on the shroomery (under the name sheekle) about how great life is and how people need to chill out because life is great and everything is going to be okay.

This guy is a parody of himself, he hates the fact that you like his posts, and he needs to sell off his rc collection, start injecting street drugs and contract hep c while he steals and rips off his friends and family to feed his habit. He will do himself a great service because he will build character and shed pounds and pounds of pretense, living wild in the jungle, while he learns that life is not all butterflies and rainbows.

Anybody else agree?
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The only problem with this is that the "junkies" as you call them, would do their drug of choice as soon as the trip started and the psychonauts would OD
 
llama112 said:
Well, that's a very judgmental post.

Like others have said, not just anyone can enjoy psychedelics. I can't do psychedelics... I suffer from anxiety and some other stuff and it does NOT go well with psychedelics. Oh I've tried them many times before but it made my anxiety so much worse. I enjoy hard drugs much more.
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I suffer from anxiety so I take dangerous problematic drugs that fuck my shit up way worse, but I handle hard drugs way better, even though it is exasberating my condition.

this is exactly why you need a heroic dose in an uncomfortable setting, to clear up these misconceptions.
 
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