Does abstaining from pleasure lower tolerance (opiates)?

[avcpl]

Just a hypothetical for you all to ponder:

Let's say you were going to take a break to help lower your tolerance.

Would you be more successful if you abstained from highly pleasurable activities (ie masturbating twice a day, lol)?

 

[forensic bob]

Although this post seems ridiculous at first, that a good question.

Correct me if im wrong, but are you proposing that in order to reduce your tolerance to opioids, you want to abstain from acts that produce natural endorphins so that those natural endorphins don't increase your tolerance to opiates?

Although this might seem irrelevant, I want to call to your attention the affect eating has on a marijuana high.

One of the primary functions of our bodies endiginous cannibinoid system is to regulate food consumption. When your body is in need of nutrients, your body releases naturall cannibinoids to increase hunger and amplify the taste of your food. After eating, your body ceases the release of cannibinoids and halts their influence on the brain (making food taste extremely good). It does this because the cannibinoids have served their purpose and are needed no more.
Similarly, if you eat directly after the consumption of THC, the psychoactive cannibinoid in Marijuana that your body "confuses" (for lack of a better word) with that endiginous cannibinoid previously mentioned, your brain will respond by killing your high.

Therefore, if one wants to stay high, he needs only to resist the urge to eat when the munchies strike. Possibly, and dont quote me on this, if he were to not eat prior to getting high as opposed to being well fed, he would get higher due to the fact that his body is in a state where cannibinoids are naturally needed. He needs food, so the body will let cannibinoids-regardless of where they came from-do their thing.

What does this have to do with Opiates? Well, alhough I dont think your body will give you endorphins to numb the horrific pain of not masterbating, I believe you could do other much more drastic actions to help reverse your tolerance.

WHereas endigionous cannibinoids are a response to hunger, thee endorphins are a response to pain. When your hungry and need food, foreign cannibinoid are more effective. This leads me to believe that if you put yourself in constant state of physical pain, an act that would result in the release of natural endorphins, your tolerance to opiates would diminish.

sincerely high,
forensic bob

If so, I believe that in order

 

[forensic bob]

You could also try running, which is extremely painful for smokers like me, which apparently gives runners "natural endorphin" highs.

When taking opiates recreationaly, you have to realize your messing with your brains main defense mechanism against death. Pain might be a pretty shitty experience, but your body uses it as the primarary barrier between you and death. If your not in pain (which your body knows) and take opiates, your body wont hold back its attempts to put the pain back. It wants the pain there. THe bodies second defense mechanism against death, anxiety, is another thing you dont want to dabble with in excess;it'll really piss your body off.

 

[Outta Pocket]

Great posts bob!

 

[forensic bob]

Great posts bob!

thanks, Ive been reading bluelight for the last years just out of curiosity, and I finaly decided to make an account to see what people think of my ideas and what Ive concluded from my last few years of experience, introspection, and research.

I know people can steal the theories and ideas ive gotten purely from self-analysis,quoting them as there own, but informing the countless ignorant who rely on wiki and unreliable forums such as these seems worth it enough to me.

Thanks for the compliment, its the first positive feedback ive had...til then, I wasnt sure if my writing was crap.

Forensic Bob

 

[subox1]

yeah that makes alot of sense, forensic bob, never thought of it that way. I was kind of shocked to see such an intelligent response from someone who only has 19 posts but I myself was kind of like you, I was constantly reading on bluelight for a few years before I finally made an account. I am not trying to say that I am as intelligent as you, just that I understand that you may have been visiting the site for a while before making post. Sorry off topic i know.

As far as masturbating or having sex less to lower your opiate tolerance, I don't think it would ever have a noticeable effect.

 

[forensic bob]

yeah that makes alot of sense, forensic bob, never thought of it that way. I was kind of shocked to see such an intelligent response from someone who only has 19 posts but I myself was kind of like you, I was constantly reading on bluelight for a few years before I finally made an account. I am not trying to say that I am as intelligent as you, just that I understand that you may have been visiting the site for a while before making post. Sorry off topic i know.

As far as masturbating or having sex less to lower your opiate tolerance, I don't think it would ever have a noticeable effect.

Thanks, I love drugs, psychology, and evolution, but ive never shared my what i know.

The teachers-for the most part-dont give a shit, and on paper im pretty much a failure. At the rate im going, Ill be in the food industry at 40 because i cant stand what there teaching at my university. They bore me. The people, curriculum, teachers, its all a joke. Doing homework seems like a waist of time, my ADD just wont allow it.

In my eyes, their idea of a successful student is worthless. In their eyes, Im worthless. Who is correct? this question,the very question that led me to bluelight, Im determined to answer.

Sincerely,
Forensic Bob

 

[Nikolai]

I will never stop my use, atleast not anytime soon, but this is interesting, and Im a heavy opiate user, so I will contribute. At first it seemed the answer wasnt so simple, but then I thought maybe it is, and then again back to "no it isnt.".

Just right now at a time that I am using I can say that I know for sure I would abstain from activities that I enjoy right after using. For instance there are certain things I will use my opiates before doing, sometimes even getting online is one of them, so that could be rough. Also sometimes watching a movie, or especially watching a fight. Now that Im digging deep its seeming more and more like it would be all pleasurable activities.

As for the masturbation thing, I rarely even do that, the drugs prevent wanting to do that, and many times even for having sex I need a little help if you know what I mean. It wasnt like that when I was on lower doses, but as I graduated to the higher classes the sex drive becomes less and less.

 

[forensic bob]

I will never stop my use, atleast not anytime soon, but this is interesting, and Im a heavy opiate user, so I will contribute. At first it seemed the answer wasnt so simple, but then I thought maybe it is, and then again back to "no it isnt.".

Just right now at a time that I am using I can say that I know for sure I would abstain from activities that I enjoy right after using. For instance there are certain things I will use my opiates before doing, sometimes even getting online is one of them, so that could be rough. Also sometimes watching a movie, or especially watching a fight. Now that Im digging deep its seeming more and more like it would be all pleasurable activities.

As for the masturbation thing, I rarely even do that, the drugs prevent wanting to do that, and many times even for having sex I need a little help if you know what I mean. It wasnt like that when I was on lower doses, but as I graduated to the higher classes the sex drive becomes less and less.

Yeah, the opiods have gotten you to. Priority one is harm reduction, not trying to give up coldturkey.

If you put yourself in a chemical state you might be in if you were in a concentration camp or undergoing unnumbed surgery, while actualy being in situation that is contrarily extremely safe, then chances are your tolerance will build up bad.

Do you do the opioids in particular places and have a ccertain ritual for self-administration?

 

[oneswtwld]

BOB... we are very similar.. I use dto study evolutionary biopsychology....


you should look into it... there are good school sout there for it...

we used to talk a lot about penis morphology and the antidepressant properties of semen

 

[forensic bob]

BOB... we are very similar.. I use dto study evolutionary biopsychology....


you should look into it... there are good school sout there for it...

we used to talk a lot about penis morphology and the antidepressant properties of semen

Well, i would say im much less obsessed with the penis than you.

not sure how tallk like that is relevent . ?

 

[edgewise1]

I cannot help you with the question of reducing natural pleasure in order to increase opiate pleasure. But I do have one suggestion. If you get tired of the same ole masturbating routine, just turn your hand upside down and it feels like someone else is doing it for you. Just thought that needed saying!

 

[forensic bob]

I cannot help you with the question of reducing natural pleasure in order to increase opiate pleasure. But I do have one suggestion. If you get tired of the same ole masturbating routine, just turn your hand upside down and it feels like someone else is doing it for you. Just thought that needed saying!

What this man says is a sad, true, well documented fact (porn)

Deep, edgewise, deep.

 

[edgewise1]

Thanks Bob. I really am proud of my diverse knowledge base.

 

[artaxerxes]

I think that avoiding pleasurable (endorphin-producing) activities is the wrong way to go about it in the long run. Since eventually your addiction will become emotionally, physically and financially insupportable, you'll have to suffer through a long period of existence without natural endorphins. Then slowly re-train your brain. But you know that.

And I'm not sure that's where you're going with this. Your post actually got me thinking about why so many of my kicks have seemed easier than what others have experienced*. Until I suffered a severe back injury, I was an exercise addict. Running was my passion but I rode my bike everywhere, I hiked, I walked everywhere, I rock climbed, I did intense yoga 5x a week, pilates, weight-lifting, I swam, etc. (You get the point. )That was my adult life (15+ years). Prior to that, I played aerobic competitive sports like cross country, soccer, basketball and soccer. And I worked out.

I wonder if the fact that my body was so accustomed to producing its own runners' highs that it was easier for it to snap back into production more quickly. When people ask for advice on kicking, I always include exercise as one of the critical factors of speeding a kick. Works for me at least and there's the documented reason that you want to speed your body's ability to produce its own endorphins. But maybe there's a correlation between the intensity of the kick and the amount and duration of intense physical exercise preceding the addiction. Basically, your brain's "ripped" before your addiction.


* There are many other factors but I'm not addressing them in this post.

 

[forensic bob]

I think that avoiding pleasurable (endorphin-producing) activities is the wrong way to go about it in the long run. Since eventually your addiction will become emotionally, physically and financially insupportable, you'll have to suffer through a long period of existence without natural endorphins. Then slowly re-train your brain. But you know that.

And I'm not sure that's where you're going with this. Your post actually got me thinking about why so many of my kicks have seemed easier than what others have experienced*. Until I suffered a severe back injury, I was an exercise addict. Running was my passion but I rode my bike everywhere, I hiked, I walked everywhere, I rock climbed, I did intense yoga 5x a week, pilates, weight-lifting, I swam, etc. (You get the point. )That was my adult life (15+ years). Prior to that, I played aerobic competitive sports like cross country, soccer, basketball and soccer. And I worked out.

I wonder if the fact that my body was so accustomed to producing its own runners' highs that it was easier for it to snap back into production more quickly. When people ask for advice on kicking, I always include exercise as one of the critical factors of speeding a kick. Works for me at least and there's the documented reason that you want to speed your body's ability to produce its own endorphins. But maybe there's a correlation between the intensity of the kick and the amount and duration of intense physical exercise preceding the addiction. Basically, your brain's "ripped" before your addiction.


* There are many other factors but I'm not addressing them in this post.

When you say kick, do you mean "kick the habit";abruptly quitting?

 

[Nikolai]

Yeah, the opiods have gotten you to. Priority one is harm reduction, not trying to give up coldturkey.

If you put yourself in a chemical state you might be in if you were in a concentration camp or undergoing unnumbed surgery, while actualy being in situation that is contrarily extremely safe, then chances are your tolerance will build up bad.

Do you do the opioids in particular places and have a ccertain ritual for self-administration?

Not really any particular places, most of my use is at home, in the bedroom. If it's a weekend and I go to see a friend, or friends, or go out I will bring pills with me, along with a small trusty crusher, and a little straw, and figure where to use on the fly. If Im at a friends place its never a problem, going out for a significant amount of time can pose a problem though. My ritual for administration is simple, I crush and snort half the line up each nostril. The opioids have gotten me you are right, but they are of need likely for the rest of my life, so I try not too worry too much about it.

 

[orangescrewpen]

I do believe cutting down will reduce your tolerance. For my friends who are opiates due to pain needs, docs say cutting down on daily use will reduce tolerance.

I find this to also be true for mj.

 

[forensic bob]

Not really any particular places, most of my use is at home, in the bedroom. If it's a weekend and I go to see a friend, or friends, or go out I will bring pills with me, along with a small trusty crusher, and a little straw, and figure where to use on the fly. If Im at a friends place its never a problem, going out for a significant amount of time can pose a problem though. My ritual for administration is simple, I crush and snort half the line up each nostril. The opioids have gotten me you are right, but they are of need likely for the rest of my life, so I try not too worry too much about it.

In my psychology book, I read about how that one can gain an increased tolerance to a certain drug by consistently doing it in the same manner in the same place. According to this study, a heroine addict injecting his "normal dose" of heroin is much more likely to overdose if he is in an unfamilar place. This, according to what i read, is because most heroine users inject themselves in the same place every day, which results in the body "knowing a drug is goign to be administered before it is actually administered" and raising its tolerance to fit the occasion.

 

[avcpl]

What I just remembered is that my best roll off of mdma was a year ago and one of the things I did before that roll was to abstain from any sexual activities.

I understand that dopamine receptors will up-regulate in the absence of dopamine, correct?

Is it possible that a week long "drying out" period of no sex, no sugar, no caffeine, and others activities that will cause the dopamine to flow would cause receptor up-regulation and then an amazing roll or opiate rush as the case may be?