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^ However, putting your body in a state of Ketosis, like any other crisis state, can only last for so long.

Think of it this way. When you get hit by something hard and potentially break things, your body goes into a state of shock. How long does this state of shock last? A few hours or so? Then you can feel every single ounce of pain being sent through your body. Your body can only uphold the shock state for so long before it lets go.

Your body can only undergo ketosis for limited amounts of time, also. After that, your body lets go of ketosis and begins to work at a state less than what it takes to function properly. Symptoms could include drowziness, fatigue and a lessened ability to perform physical tasks. Exactly how long your body can survive on ketosis with no negative side effects is what I do not know. I'd be willing to guess your body can survive in a ketosis phase for a few months. This is evolutionarily helpful in times of carbohydrate famine. It can't go on forever, though.

Carbohydrates are your body's quickest and most efficient means of energy. Ever wonder why you hear people on a low carb diet say they are tired after a few months and don't know why? The limited timing of ketosis is why.

None of this is scientific what so ever. Ketosis isn't crisis it's 100% normal. The liver adapted to produce carbohydrates when diet couldn't provide them. Carbs are the only of the 3 macro's which is not required to function. The body can survive INDEFINITELY on a carbless diet.

Of course you're going to be tired when you're dieting. Tiredness isn't life threatening. Overcoming tiredness isn't any more difficult than overcoming muscle soreness and fatigue.


I just went through a 3 month carb free period of time and am now carb cycling. You can argue w/e you want but I am experiencing carb regulation first hand. Strength is high, energy level through the day doesn't come w/ the post meal crash that a carby diet would bring, body fat is single digit, sleep quality is outstanding, mood is great, and I'm gaining LBM while shedding fat. You can't argue with results. I'll get my cholesterol checked next week to see the before/after as well just to put all the doubts to rest.


99% of the people who try atkins or low carb fail because they lack will power. And 99% of the people who try it and experience side effects do so because of one factor: dehydration.
 
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I am currently on a high FAT/PRO diet and it is awesome. I felt a little more sluggish at the get-go, but then I started strategically timing carbs and it worked out.

I also enjoy regularly shaving my head, so if any of you wish to see how obese it is, let me know and I'll send out a pic.
 
I am currently on a high FAT/PRO diet and it is awesome. I felt a little more sluggish at the get-go, but then I started strategically timing carbs and it worked out.

I also enjoy regularly shaving my head, so if any of you wish to see how obese it is, let me know and I'll send out a pic.

I would like to see this picture.
 
As you wish.

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None of this is scientific what so ever. Ketosis isn't crisis it's 100% normal. The liver adapted to produce carbohydrates when diet couldn't provide them. Carbs are the only of the 3 macro's which is not required to function. The body can survive INDEFINITELY on a carbless diet.

Of course you're going to be tired when you're dieting. Tiredness isn't life threatening. Overcoming tiredness isn't any more difficult than overcoming muscle soreness and fatigue.


I just went through a 3 month carb free period of time and am now carb cycling. You can argue w/e you want but I am experiencing carb regulation first hand. Strength is high, energy level through the day doesn't come w/ the post meal crash that a carby diet would bring, body fat is single digit, sleep quality is outstanding, mood is great, and I'm gaining LBM while shedding fat. You can't argue with results. I'll get my cholesterol checked next week to see the before/after as well just to put all the doubts to rest.


99% of the people who try atkins or low carb fail because they lack will power. And 99% of the people who try it and experience side effects do so because of one factor: dehydration.

I like your 99% guarantee. When can I sue you for being inaccurate?

"The body can survive INDEFINITELY on a carbless diet" says the guy who is now carb cycling. Like I said: you can't live on very little carbs for your whole lifetime. It's a temporary thing. Then you need to waste your own time by counting your carbs and protein and fats and what you're eating.

A waste of energy, in my opinion. I eat until I'm full, give myself some goodies every so often and make sure I'm eating different kinds of foods.

And you can't "shed" fat. Fat is not hair. It does not shed.

/end post teacher-decides-to-give-me-an-F-when-I-obviously-passed rant
 
I'd just like to add that most of the facts in this thread are opinions and are entirely subjective and individualized as every person's body is different, but no one's body can thrive without carbohydrates indefinitely.
 
^ However, putting your body in a state of Ketosis, like any other crisis state, can only last for so long.

Ketosis is a state you avoid on any diet.

You eat enough carbs to never go into the state of ketosis. That is still not that many carbs. 60-100 g per day depending on weight.

Completely cutting out carbs from diet is not good. Your body needs carbs, for many things.

I personally do a lot better when I cut down my carbs. Cut down, not eliminate. I think people in this thread equate cutting down carbs with eliminating them. Some of the points brought up against low carb diets are only about situations when you cut carbs out completely .

The argument of ketosis is often brought against low carb diets but it can only be brought up for no carb diets. You don't have to and shouldn't be in ketosis when on low carb diets.
 
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I like your 99% guarantee. When can I sue you for being inaccurate?

"The body can survive INDEFINITELY on a carbless diet" says the guy who is now carb cycling. Like I said: you can't live on very little carbs for your whole lifetime. It's a temporary thing. Then you need to waste your own time by counting your carbs and protein and fats and what you're eating.

A waste of energy, in my opinion. I eat until I'm full, give myself some goodies every so often and make sure I'm eating different kinds of foods.

And you can't "shed" fat. Fat is not hair. It does not shed.

/end post teacher-decides-to-give-me-an-F-when-I-obviously-passed rant

Dude those arguments don't even make any sense. Go take a logical reasoning course and get back to me.
1. 99% is probably really accurate. Atkins is hard and people fail, that's why they trash talk the diet. Because they lack the mental fortitude to endure.
2. Dehydration is a major issue on a carbless diet because you empty your glycogen stores. Most people drink inadequate water as it is. When you deplete glycogen you need to compensate by drinking a bit more water every day. This cures the "carb headaches" (which are misnamed obviously). And what's this talk of suing.. how old are you?
3. I'm carb cycling now so it disproves that you can live indefinitely w/o carbs? Dude that is the most poorly deduced argument I think I have ever read. Congrats.
4. Congrats, you are in a diet thread arguing that dieting is a waste of energy. No, what's a waste of energy is defending your own complacency about what you put into your body.
5. shed - caducous, cast, cast off, drop, shake off. Just because a verb is most commonly used w/ a specific noun does not limit its use to that noun alone.


Completely cutting out carbs from diet is not good. Your body needs carbs, for many things.

There hasn't been a single study showing it to be "not good" or "bad" as anybody in this thread has suggested. I apologize for coming across negatively in this thread, if I have, but not one study has proven negative effects to come from a no carb diet. I looked at this before trying it, tried it, found results, and yet people will argue against me without any evidence (first hand or scientific).

I'm all about arguing a good argument but come on. Present some facts or get out. The human body is capable of producing carbohydrates. Therefore they are a non essential macro nutrient.


In the 1980's there was a huge push against dietary fats. It turned out that it wasn't based on fact. People are having a hard time getting rid of that misconception. Dietary cholesterol is a similarly confused issue. Carbs seem to be suffering a similar issue with some kind of post Atkins backlash within popular diet culture.

You can argue beliefs all you want but I would simply challenge you to try it. The truth is that the old adage is 100% true: You are what you eat.

So stop being lazy (while claiming it's 'wasteful' lol) and start tinkering with what you put into your body. I bet if you're careful about it you'll realize there are HUGE body reactions to the foods you're putting into yourself. For example: refined grain products like breads, pastas, and cereals. Cut them out for 3 weeks then re-introduce them. The physical effects are pronounced and even though they taste good, you may deem them unworthy of being eaten.

There's nothing wrong with deciding that the diet most people engage in isn't the right diet. If you look around, the majority of people are in a state of poor health. Diabetes, Obesity, and Digestive disorders are absolutely rampant in modern society. You think it might have something to do with the food? Obviously?

So take your head out of the sand and start tinkering with your diet to figure out what is optimal and what isn't. For me, no carb / low carb is vastly superior to a normal macro diet.

But sure, post some poorly reasoned analogy to show that I'm 'wrong...'
 
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Let's keep it civil in here folks--You're all doing a good job of that currently, but I just want to make sure it stays that way. :P

Aanallein, not everybody eats refined grains--Are you counting all grains into that statement? I'm just curious, 'cause I know I don't eat any refined grains except the occasional pearled barley (it's tough to find hulled barley around here). Mainly I eat brown Basmati rice, hulled barley, whole wheat pastas (and even that is rare except lately :P), and wheat berries, in addition to fruits, vegetables, legumes, and other plants.

If someone following a plant-based diet were to do this "no carb diet," what do you suppose they would eat? (Please don't say "no carbs." 8))

I'm contemplating taking you up on your challenge, to try this "no carb diet," but cannot for the life of me think what I would eat since I do not eat anything of animal origin (due to many reasons, the main one being I think it's gross--Let's keep the meat v. no meat discussion out of here please and thank you).

:)
 
The grains I include in my lowcarb diet are quinoa, oatmeal, (and rice, typically just when eating out). I will eat these or pasta after a hard workout for the glycogen stores. Otherwise, the only other carbs I eat with something of regularity are fresh fruits. Sources like potatoes, milk, honey, etc. I enjoy also.

I think a healthy lowcarb diet would be quite difficult if you aren't eating animal product.
 
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Sorry about getting worked up - I'll focus on keeping this civil. I am just very bothered about this because I have personally done it and others have not and yet, they accuse me of being wrong purely on a modern systemic dogma.

Dogma: c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds

But anyways, I'll degrees from all of that and talk about what I did.

Over a 3 month period of time I ate very very minimal carbs. We're talking less than 10 grams on most days and never over 20grams per day total.

Breakfast each day would be an omelet w/ cheese, protein shake, lots of water, multivitamin.
Lunch was some meat dish with leafy vegis and almonds.
Snack was protein shake and possibly a bit more of a left over meat dish.
Dinner - again, meat and leafy vegis.

Things I could eat: any meat (other than liver), eggs, cheeses (other dairy still has carbs in the form of lactose), leafy vegitables and nuts (low carb options only). In periods of intense carb craving I would treat myself to some peanut butter.

There's really a lot of options to eat. There's plenty of types of meat that are edible without burning out on any particular type. There's tons of vegis as long as you don't go to roots (potatoes, carrots, radishes are starchy and no good) and almonds are good.

You have to just look at each type of food and gauge it on it's carb content. You can still follow this diet and cheat sometimes - just have to really avoid things like refined grains (bread, pasta, cereal), raw sugar products (candies and chocolates), dairy that isn't cheese, fruit, any sugar'd drinks obviously. If you're going to cheat, small amounts of unrefined grains (brown rice, oats) or starchy vegis (potatoes/etc.), or fiberous vegis/beans, would be the best case options.

Cheating is a problem though because it causes insulin release so you need to time your carb intake if you're going to do it properly. That's what I'm referring to when I say I'm currently 'carb cycling'. I am now eating certain carbs (the ones I mentioned should be least damaging to the diet) but only at certain times. If you eat them post exercise your body will not store them in fat but rather in glycogen. Of the two options, this is best case, obviously.

As an aside, the only reason I'm currently eating some carbs now and then is to make peace with my wife (anybody with a spouse can imagine how putting pretty strict rules on your diet could impact your relationship). So I am no longer optimally dieting but peace in my personal life is more important. I'm also trying to look at it positively - I've never dedicated myself to carb cycling so now I'm trying it out 100%. Maybe after this 3 month experiment she won't mind if I do another few months of no carbs. :)



I would really, not challenge, but highly recommend people give it a genuine and concerted effort. It can be life changing to realize how much different your body operates with a new fuel mixture. Just commit to like 2 months (you start to feel the differences after 3 or so weeks) of low carbs (make sure to drink enough water!).

You may see great results or you may not, but hey, life is all about trying things out and seeing how they work for you.


As an aside: I can very much appreciate how this diet is not feasible for many people. People without access to a kitchen (ie, dorms, or some other living scenario), high quality/low cost groceries, or living in countries where the food prices on these items is too high, obviously can't do this diet.
 
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What about beans, nuts, seeds, legumes, etc? Or are those all too high in carbs for a low/no carb diet?

Just have to pick the right ones. Some nuts/beans/seeds are very high carb, others are not. Beans generally have carbs but lots of fiber to balance it out. When in doubt go with portion control.
 
So, not including more than 300ish "filler calories" from coconut, olive oil, avocado, protein shakes, etc, would either of you care to help me figure out a three-day meal plan for a low-carb, plant-based diet? (The day's meals must provide at least 1600 calories [and not much more--I'm short :P] and must be devoid of any animal products, animal by-products, and soy.)

If you could help me with making a three-day meal plan, I will try this low-carb diet for at least a week and post back with my findings. :)
 
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vegan low carb is going to be very difficult.. i'd suggest getting a soy based protein powder and using that as a calorie source to substitute with.
 
Lol, I probably should've included that I don't do soy. I would use hemp protein powder if it came down to that, but I'd include that as a "filler calorie."
 
what would be your main food sources then.. don't see how you can even make a low carb, no animal product, no soy diet..
 
^ That's what I'm trying to figure out! 8)

Here's what I eat. Is any of this high protein and low carb: Beans (black, kidney, garbanzo, black-eyed), grains (brown Basmati rice, hulled barley, wheat berries), and all fruits and vegetables. Things I don't eat regularly but would be more than willing to eat would be things like amaranth, quinoa, avocado, ...

I'm sure I could design a high protein diet, but a high protein and no carb diet does seem impossible--That's why I'm asking here for help! If you (anyone!) can help me figure out at least three day's worth of food to eat that is high protein and no/low carbs, I'll give this low/no carb diet a shot.
 
I dont think it is necessarily what you can or cannot eat but rather how much.

You said you want approximatley 1600cal per day, so if you are trying to limit your carb intake to 20% or less of those calories (just for example), that would be 320 calories from carbohydrates... or about a 70g limit on carbs for your day. 1/4 cup of dry quinoa or a 1/2 cup of dry oatmeal has close to 30 grams of carbs to give you an idea of how much that is. A 1/2 cup of beans has about 20g of carbs. I am not an expert on how limited your intake has to be in order for differences to be seen. I just know that breakfast and after exercise are the best times to consume your carbs. HTH.
 
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