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DOC + Opioid

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Jayman

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I've been reading about DOC experiences lately and some people find that it cramps up their muscles or their body, could that be alleviated without getting in the way of the full tripp with an opioid like buprenorphine or oxycodone?
 
I didn't have any cramps. It was a tad bit stimulating when I was trying to sleep 14hr later, but I did not require sedation (2mg ativan) until that 14hr point when I had enough...prior it was all smiles and I don't like stimulating psychedelics. Opiates and psychedelics don't mix unless you have an addiction, they are going to dull it.
 
Man, how much did you have again mgs? Honestly, on my lowest doses (1mg) sleep was out of the question for at least 15 hours. On anything up for there, and 1.25mg turned out to be my favourite so far, I'm dosing at 9am & lucky to sleep by 2am next day! In fact, 20 hour session were not unknown, if dosing doesn't occur until, say, midday.

I can't see any obvious reason so add an opiod to such a sublime psychedelic. Yes it's a buzz, for sure, it's got more going adrenergically that many other psychedelics, but it's not unbearable. It's not nearly as edgy & heavy as you might think, at least, not in my low dosage regime.

... & I've not had any limb problems, tension or anything I might need to alleviate with anything other than a brisk walk...
 
In hindsight I am pretty amazed I slept when I did too. I had 4mg (and this was first batch DOC from 2006, confirmed, verified 100%). As I described in another post, it was more 'a state resembling sleep' really I think I knocked myself out (no benzo tolerance). My tripping buddy didn't sleep for 24hr.
 
ah, you had some assistance. Nah, it wouldn't have been "normal" sleep, haha! 4mg... one day, actually, probably not unless my tolerance for some reason shot up, nah...

edit- wow, that was my 2000th post! Took almost 12 years Lol
 
It was intense for sure....nearly a year ago I took ibogaine and had no experience with any DOx type materials.....felt strongly at the time ibogaine had a strong 'DOx' like thing to it but all speculation. Last month on DOC, I actually got back to where ibogaine took me in many aspects. Powerful, powerful stuff that 4mg but never a single moment was it difficult or too much. Simply stunning and amazing. Next go will be with 500ug or so.
 
Ok, I was wondering because i didnt want to have adverse reactions or take away from the experience. How about 12 hrs after would that be okay to take the opioid just to settle down a bit when I'm ready. Would it be a better alternative than a benzo incase the trip turns south? I don't think it will since i am experienced with a different psychedelics. I'm just thinking incase of the stimulation that some mild anxiety could be present. Its just a precaution.
 
When I took DOC @3mgs I drank kratom for about 60% of the trip and I had NO stimulation or cramps/muscle tension. The DOC felt smoother than most 2c's for me. The kratom also mixed nicely and didn't dull any of the DOC's effects, I experienced no vasoconstriction either. TBH I would just take the DOC and if any problems arise take a small dose of kratom or oxy if that's all you have. Only full doses of potent opioids dull the effects of psychedelics for me.
 
I'm curious as to the serenity a nice opioid like oxy could bring to the table of a trip. Anyone with some experiences with opiates + psychedelics?
 
Jayman said:
Anyone with some experiences with opiates + psychedelics?
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I personally love combining them ! I have even tested doc(2mg)+morphine(had an envelope of 200mg and did eyeballed lines here and there)+dxm(~200mg) also had ~12-13mg 2c-c(nasally) at some point in the night that blasted things to ultra visual for a brief period of time. For having fun with friends(or without) it's awesome(combining psychedelics with opiates)! It gets even trippier but i guess if serious non hedonistic introspection and stuff like that is what you are looking for I would maybe avoid the opiates.
 
In my imagination of combining the two, the opi would bring a sense of acceptance to some types of deep introspection of ones self... the type of intro that would or could ( key is could really ) unless blanketed from the ego, be devestating to the psyche and be rejected thus not providing insite into ones self... Prehaps I'm wrong...
 
Jayman said:
In my imagination of combining the two, the opi would bring a sense of acceptance to some types of deep introspection of ones self... the type of intro that would or could ( key is could really ) unless blanketed from the ego, be devestating to the psyche and be rejected thus not providing insite into ones self... Prehaps I'm wrong...
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that sounds more like a psychedelic/dissociative combo. when mixing with opiates the inner dialogue is something like "fuck yeah!" all the time... :)
 
Yeah don't expect the introspection to begin when the opioid/opiate is taken, quite the opposite. Adding opioids tends to increase the hedonism and euphoria while kicking down the mental and visual effects quite a bit. While I've only combined DOC with kratom in particular I've smoked heroin on MANY aMT trips, a 2c-i/MDA combo, and the comedown of LSD and all times it has been a cushion that brings me down to earth softly, not what sends me back into orbit. Given opiums reputation as a vivid dream bringer I wonder how a bowl of smoked opium would combine with a psychedelic, yum ;)
 
I have a lot of experience here....in *my* opinion opiates add nothing to the psychedelic state and only take away from it. During a decade long relationship with opiates, I literally forgot what it was like to trip (not from lack of taking psychedelics).

3/25/13

Last night I took a ‘challenge’ dosage of 2C-C. What was the challenge? In 2004 or so, when I was first becoming a daily narcotic user, I unwittingly discovered I could not take psychedelics anymore without also taking a full dosage of opiate-type drug alongside if I wanted to actually enjoy the trip, or I would suffer extreme withdrawal.

So three weeks post ibogaine I decided to challenge the idea I would need opiates to trip by taking the very same psychedelic that all those years ago brought on this notion of tripping with opiates. In 2004, 16mg or so 2C-C (orally) brought on intense withdrawal, requiring oxycodone to relieve it.

To make a long story short, the dose of 2C-C I took (14mg via IM injection) last night did not produce any withdrawal symptoms. When it came on I had to excuse myself, the lights and music were overpowering. I took a shower and meditated, then came out and enjoyed social interactions.

The trip itself was powerful and mentally cleansing. Insanely visual. Nothing like the primary colored visuals I got ibogaine recently. These powerful '2C-like' visual changes were neon-like, everything moving at high speed like a strobe like illuminating dancers. Insane long-lasting visuals from sensory information; I was in the dark and a lighter I flashed light up an area I needed to see for a few seconds after I extinguished the flame!

The full effects from the IM shot lasted the expected 3 hr, but absent was the 2-3hr come-up of oral administration. The come-up was very intense and I felt it within a minute or two or removing the syringe. Not for the novice, but it was easy to handle when I went to the shower and took away the annoying sensory information (the movie playing in the room). It is different from eating it, and this is not a replacement for the 'intense relaxation' of oral 2C-C...however efficient it may be.

Indeed it seemed I haven’t ‘tripped’ in ages like that, maybe tripping with a brain dulled by opiates for a decade made for some stale tripping, because I calculated 14mg to be on the low-side. For those not repulsed my a 'muscle shot', this is a valid and efficient method of taking 2C-C. Maybe 7-10mg next time for social interactions.


I was at a STRONG +++ and I love 2C-C.
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I have almost no direct experience with opiates. Based on my understanding of the pharmacology of opiates I decided to avoid them because I use psychedelics frequently. I have also herd second hand combining the two habits had some terrible consequences for Dead Heads in the late twentieth century. Here is something I wrote about this as a warning several months back. IF YOU USE BOTH I RECOMMEND DOING ONE OR THE OTHER AND NEVER BOTH IN THE SAME WEEK.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/685559-Serotonergic-psychedelics-and-dopaminergic-drugs-of-abuse

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Great information. Glad to know about reinforcing factors. So if you continuously take dat drugs after sert drugs you could reinforce the desire to take dat drugs thus increasing psychological addiction. Thats what i gather from that.
 
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