(DOC/2.5 mg) - First Time - A Very Strange Day

[Xorkoth]

Indeed, that necrotic toes case can hardly be used as evidence for any sort of responsible dosing of DOC leading to serious issues. I respect the decision someone wants to make to disregard DOX chemicals as potential psychedelics though, since they do introduce additional potential dangers and I would bet the chance of an unusual and serious adverse reaction from a standard-level dose is higher than for many other classes of psychedelics because of this, if you happen to have a body chemistry that interacts badly. Still, for me, they're great and I plan to continue using them until such a time arrives that it produces something alarming for me, if that time ever arrives.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

You consider DOC in the group of classical psychedelics?

Classics as in the fact it is in the top five best synthetics of the dozens of dozens I have tried...right up there with LSD, 2C-T-7, 2C-E, 2C-B and miprocin. I don't know about anyone other than myself, and in my use, it seems as safe as milk. 2-3mg hits the spot.

 

[Kl519]

I always get a giggle (not that it's funny) over 'horrifying' pics causing quite a stir.

I've trudged through a lot of bio textbooks with pictures of many unfortunate victims of physical trauma/disease/injury that would put necrotic toes to shame. And since none of them were examples of consequences from drug use, they bothered me a lot more. But this is why I could never get into the medical side of biology; I wouldn't be able to stomach it on a daily basis, and dealing with hurt/sick/dying people would wear me down too much because of my empathy. Seeing it in person is very different too, because when I would visit an old friend of mine that used to work at a hospital, I would only see people suffering and that's when I personally decided I could never get into that field. It is extremely depressing and filled with too much pressure, especially if you have to directly care for them. I'd rather work in the back doing research, filling out prescriptions/paperwork or something, heh.

Shit happens, and can happen, no matter what anyone does and they happen everyday.

Since I think it's relevant, I think it's easy to take substances safely. Sure, my DOPr trip sounded bad at one particular time (so this is what I get for being honest and doing my best to be unbiased? I could've excluded it if I wanted to) but I didn't exactly mention that I had way worse trips on just lsd where I thought I was dying for real. I had almost convinced myself that I somehow became the only one susceptible to dying off of lsd. But it was just my mind playing tricks on me, which is why I hardly trust my perception when I'm tripping hard as hell, especially if it only lasts for a few seconds at a time. Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure it takes at least a couple of minutes straight of being oxygen deprived for it to be bad. A few seconds is nothing, and what I was really trying to get at was that the body high was so strong in a unique way, that I'm positive I lost some of my body awareness. I couldn't even see shit either, nevertheless at no point did I ever feel like something was wrong at the instinctual level. Again, I don't really trust my own judgments when I'm tripping balls off the walls, and my gf thought I was completely fine the whole time, so I knew it would be prudent to trust her judgment instead of mine. Especially now that we're both older and a lot more mature than before, on top of the fact that she's effectively making her own decisions to the point where she doesn't need my own view on things like before, that I would say she sees some things a lot better than I do. Most assuredly compared to me when I'm trippin'. So, if she says I was fine and thought I was breathing fine, then it must be so (I mean, how hard is that to tell anyway? lol).

Damn, I've been wanting to clarify that for a long time. Just didn't see an opportunity until now. Sorry for the hijacking, Kaleida.

 

[Kaleida]

Lol, no problem Kl519.

I also believe it's easy to take most substances safely. Things like NBOMes make me worry due to their very high potency and low safety range.... The DOx family I'm not worried about at all though. Like the guy who had the necrotic toes, he took over 100 mg of DOC in under 48 hours. That means that while intending to take what will probably usually be around 3 mg, I would have to accidentally ingest an entire 100 mL bottle of solution if it was measured at 1 mg/mL just to almost get there. I really do not see that happening.... There seems to be a lot of fear about these chemicals out there, but honestly I think even being afraid of DOB is a little ridiculous given that the only real big horror story associated with it with the limb amputation happened at MDA-sized doses, which would be fucking enormous for DOB. Normal dosage ranges seem to be perfectly fine based on user reports.

I also didn't think what you described for DOPR sounded dangerous, I actually thought it sounded quite clean. I have also lost or nearly lost the sensation of my body while tripping, sometimes to the point of not feeling my breath, most significantly on LSD, mushrooms, 4-HO-MPT, and DOC. It always seems to just come from either so much euphoria that my body disappears behind it, so much dissociation that I just start going numb all over, or a combination of the two. I usually consider it pleasant, and it's one of the things I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing in DOPR even since I read that. :D

I also don't think I could work too directly with sick, hurt, or dying people.... It would definitely weigh too heavily on my mind. I do think it would be very rewarding to be providing medicine or help to people in those situations though, because I really would love to help people get better. Something like being a doctor though, I think that would be really tough for me.... I have a lot of respect for anyone who can maintain that sort of career.

 

[Kl519]

Kaleida-Seriously, I don't know how they do it when most of them seem to be upbeat and positive. I've also considered the reward aspect, but personally if someone died on my watch even after doing everything humanly possible (or even just got worse), the positives still wouldn't be outweighed to me. I'd feel horrible anyway. I'm just glad they can handle it.

Yaa, even during that part I felt very euphoric and just laying down felt super good. Oh yes, a bit blind and can't feel myself breathing for a few seconds at a time, and I never felt so good. I know I haven't tried that many substances, but this DOPr is super unique ime. I'm sad that I only have one dose left. Even low dose trips are great for being used as a booster for the day. But it really is a heavy duty psychedelic at a high dose.

Btw, where's my response?

Jk, you never needed to.

 

[Kaleida]

Impatient, I do have responsibilities outside of this forum too you know. I was hoping to have time for it a little later today after I run some morning errands.

But yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I imagine it has to be because they are so positive all the time... or at least, they're good enough at forcing themselves to be that way when they have to be. I'm a pretty positive person a lot of the time too but I'm pretty sure that would wear me down.... I already think the world is depressing enough as it is.

Oooh, you're getting me more excited for it now. I have enough of the DOPR that I'm going to be able to get at least a handful of pretty strong experiences off of it, so I'm really just waiting for the perfect time to take some to come up now. Unique psychedelics are always an incredible treat!

 

[Kl519]

Impatient, I do have responsibilities outside of this forum too you know. I was hoping to have time for it a little later today after I run some morning errands.

But yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I imagine it has to be because they are so positive all the time... or at least, they're good enough at forcing themselves to be that way when they have to be. I'm a pretty positive person a lot of the time too but I'm pretty sure that would wear me down.... I already think the world is depressing enough as it is.

Oooh, you're getting me more excited for it now. I have enough of the DOPR that I'm going to be able to get at least a handful of pretty strong experiences off of it, so I'm really just waiting for the perfect time to take some to come up now. Unique psychedelics are always an incredible treat!

Yes, for you!

My bad though, as I'm sure you honestly are quite busy outside of here. I was too until recently, so I understand perfectly. Actually, you seem to be quite a busy girl like almost all the time!

Indeed, as I have been thinking that our penchant for exuding positivity is both of our MO. We'll just leave that setting to the docs, since I'm sure they get trained for it too. I'll just settle for something else.

Oh for sure, just trying this stuff takes time to prepare for. It's a long ride! Now I'm really jealous of you (and Xorkoth as well) because I want some moooaaaarr. It's neat, it's great. Lucky you!

 

[Kaleida]

It's fine really, haha. I do have a pretty busy schedule at the moment.... Lots of things to get done or started in life.

And I feel lucky as well. :D I really think that DOPR sounds like one of the most interesting substances I've read about in a long time. I honestly already feel that phenethylamines (or at least 2C-I and DOC, the only ones I have had stronger experiences on) have sort of a dissociative feeling to me that tryptamines and LSD usually don't too, so I really like the idea of ones that are especially known for having that kind of feeling. I'm definitely looking forward to it....