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DOC (2.2mg) - First Time - Doctor Who?

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I have one more trip report to publish before I take a short break for the Thanksgiving Holidays. Enjoy!

Doctor Who?
Date: 2007
Dosage: DOC, 2.2 miligrams orally
Test Subject Data: 160 Ib. Male, mid twenties
Erowid Report ID: 67221


I had measured out a dose of 2.2 milligrams of DOC diluted into 2.2 milliliters of water, filling the bottom section of a shot glass. It was noon on a Saturday morning. I held it in my mouth... tasting its bitter flavor against my gums for a couple minutes before swallowing it into my empty stomach. This was my second trial. The first had been at a significantly lower dose a couple weeks previously to establish a basic response expectation. Even my less-than-psychedelic dose lasted most of the day, only barely allowing me sleep.

The effects of the dose set in very slowly. At T+1h, the only noticeable effect was a strong buzz and slowly-progressing pupil dilation. At that point I felt warm and happy, with normal thought patterns. By T+2h, I was alternating between stimulated and sedated states. One minute I felt wide awake with racing thoughts, feeling compelled to tap my feet or wiggle my fingers. The next minute something shifted and I felt like I might drift off to sleep. Everything slowly developed a light hallucinogenic glow, and by T+3h the world appeared distinctly different from normal. There was a soft, amorphous cartoon-like quality. The world looked bright but flat.

There was only subtle open-eyed visual movement… I found as long as I walked around, worked on a task, or kept my thoughts properly occupied, objects stood still. If I looked at one place for too long, things would start to bend and warp. At one point I looked into my bathroom from my bedroom and held my focus for too long. Before long the door frame was transforming into some distinctly un-rectangular shapes. Effects like these showed themselves many times over many hours. With eyes closed, I could visualize the flow of energy from the drug. The visual effect, overall, was milder than expected.

There was a jittery feeling in the body. There was also temperature irregularity for the entire day; alternating between slightly hot and slightly cold skin temperatures. Around t+3h, I went into the bathroom and briefly vomited. The drug had not actually felt nauseating in my stomach, much less so than some of the other things I have taken. But when I thought about the prospect of feeling this way for the next 12 hours, and staying up all night for it, the drug left my body... as if it knew it was not entirely wanted. I felt better afterwards... but of course, the drug’s long tendrils had already crept deep into my brain. My day was still only just beginning.

I watched some television, drank some water, and recovered. Then I departed for the outdoors. I was full of energy, walking just a little bit too quickly in the general direction of the beach. My mood was weird. I was bored and frustrated with the surreal cityscape surrounding me. The buzz in my body had an uneven quality to it that made me edgy. As I went through the big city, I felt like I was the only normal person to be found. A drunk driver careened down a street here, a man in an oversized turban riding a unicycle flew by there. Everyone looked strange and different. I began to enter an egotistical mindset, thinking to myself, “Why am I the only person that makes any sense in this town? I’m the one that’s full of desoxy-chloro!"

Around T+4.30, a religious proselytizer stopped me on the street to ask me awkward questions about God and the afterlife. He was hoping to direct me to a meeting at his church study group and gain a convert. I talked his ass off for about 3 minutes about my own understanding of the individual search for enlightenment.

"I see hundreds of men with hundreds of study centers all over this country, selling ‘enlightenment’ by the dollar. And nine times out of ten when you're buying enlightenment, it turns out to be an empty batch! A lot of time spent staring at books but where's the enlightenment? I'm very busy on important studies of my own, there's little chance I can find the time for your study center. Why don’t you give me a business card, I collect information on little groups!”

The missionary was a truly nice individual other than having a job which I somewhat object to. I suspect he found me extremely frightening.

The street performers on the shopping strip, however, loved me! I watched their shows, applauded for their songs, and laughed at their jokes more than anyone else. I congratulated a female singer for the job she had done. She had set up a music show on the street for the sheer enjoyment of doing it, and I legitimately appreciated it. As long as I didn’t talk too much, everything went quite smoothly.

There was much to see and do, and it took until T+6h to finally reach the beach. The crashing waves of the ocean resonated with the electrical energy shifting through my limbs and torso. The water soothed my mind and re-oriented me with the universe. The sky looked broad and endless. I felt childlike and full of awe. I watched, listened, walked around, and soaked in the ocean for at least an hour.

I got home around T+8h and found that the drug had gotten a second rush… pushing harder and deeper into my mind than before. For half an hour, I lost myself deep in thought. I imagined the faces of friends I had not even met yet, and people who may or may not exist. I lived out fragments of interactions with various people, dreamed up phantom lives and relived moments of my past from other people’s points of view. This may have been the most valuable portion of the experience.

I had difficulty trying to express myself while on this drug. It was as if all the secrets were coming to me but I could not hold on to any of them. At one point I felt I could see all the things I had been trying to express in my mind and in my life, forming perfect sentences in front of me. But when I tried to write the sentences down or say them out loud, something would slip and a section of the idea was gone. I ended up with a notebook full of broken sentence fragments, partial sections of perfect thoughts. Multiple-page commentaries on spiritualism, social and professional society, drugs and pharmacology. Half-finished thoughts that could have been profound, but would not be worth sharing with the sane and sober.

Towards the end of the evening, the effects slowly started to die down. My articulation capability returned. One profound exchange of dialogue managed to occur during my hectic day-long ride on DOC. I had a much needed discussion with my partner about my psychedelic experiments. The woman who I will spend the rest of my life with does not have the same feelings I do about psychedelic drugs. When I experiment with some of the exotic ones, it can be difficult to explain what I am doing or why to my significant other. It’s not a matter of concealing the truth, as this person understands me to the core. But regardless, she worries a little bit about my health and safety.

We had a long overdue discussion. I explained better than I had been able to before why I must explore the psychedelics. At the same time I admitted to myself and my partner that sometimes I do them for little reason other than to have something to fill an empty day with. We managed to agree together that psychedelics are not bad things, and that the right kinds of psychedelics have wonderful potential when taken at the right time. She explained to me that some day she would be willing to go on the journey with me, but that the time to share these things was just not right. The world is intense and beautiful enough for some people without chemical additives.

After hours that night... I drifted in and out of *something*. I'm not sure that it was sleep. I could not even begin to get tired until 4:00AM. Six hours after that I was getting up, and could not tell how much actual sleep I had gotten. I felt slightly wired the whole next day, though after 24 hours my pupils had returned to normal size. There were no long-term after-effects and I returned to a normal sleep schedule the next day.

So about this chemical, Desoxy-Chloro, otherwise known as "the Doctor”. It has been written that DOC has an extremely strong visual psychedelic effect. For me this was not the case. The only remarkable thing about DOC was its duration. I would describe the sensorial effects as more profound than 2C-I but slightly less so than 2C-E. There is some uniqueness to the mental state, but it is difficult for me to work into a productive social schedule. The commitment involved in taking DOC was high and the effect was not quite impressive enough to justify it.

I'll admit it was a liability to bring prejudices or expectations into a psychedelic experience. I have a snobbishly dim attitude towards stimulants like cocaine and methamphetamine. Perhaps it disturbs me slightly that uppers and entheogens can be linked together into one inseparable whole.

In the 16 hours or so that I gave to DOC, nothing went uncontrollably wrong. And I still appreciate the psychedelics. But I don't feel any urge to explore dimethoxy-amphetamine chemicals further. I just don’t need the Doctor.

Doctor Who???
 
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Doctor Chloro.

Now i respect your opinion on the drug but i dont think its entirely fair to base that opinion on 1 low dose experience.
Although im not the biggest fan of DOC either (mostly due to the bodyload) it took me a few experiments with it in doses ranging from 2-7mg to come to the conclusion that perhaps i dont want to use this chemical again.
Anyway thanks for contributing this report, it was a pleasant read and its nice to see you got something out of the experience.

My next stop on the DOx list is DOM. Perhaps it will show a bit more promise than DOC.

take care of yourself
namaste
 
2.2mg is quite a different exprience than the 3-4mg range. I'll write more about this later. Great report as usual! Off to make Thanksgiving feast ;)
 
Sounds like a pretty nice experience. Maybe i'll try the stuff again at this lower dose range. The only times ive done it were 4 mg and 6 mg and both were extremely intense experiences, with the 6 mg one lasting upwards of 24 hours or so. Really wrecked my body too.

But DOC is definitely a "full, true" psychedelic, with as many complexities to it as LSD (possibly).
 
Great report. Glad you had a relatively good trip. I too have a Mrs who is not of the same viewpoint as myself on the subject of psychedelics. The joke is that sometimes she agrees with some of the ideas I get from them, but she is, like yours, happy with the universe as it appears without chemical enhancement, and I am not going to push them to her.
 
My fiance is not exactly against psychedelics, and knows that I have done them and do them sometimes, and she agrees with my conclusions. However, she's a very anxious person and is afraid to actually try any because she doesn't want to become like a stereotypical "acid casualty". I feel that she could be helped a lot by the right trip, but I think there's just too much societal stigma loaded in there for her and I doubt she'll ever try them. It's too bad... I think it could really help her to step outside of herself for a moment. She's got control issues that she's aware of, but regardless has a hard time getting past.
 
^^What about MDMA? I know you've seen the dark side of that chemical, but you must have also seen the potential benefits. It can be immensely therapeutic. If you have an open discussion and give her the facts, she might change her attitude. I'd say the most important thing to do is to plant a seed ... get her interested, but let her come to her own conclusions. I never encouraged my fiancé to try anything with me, but eventually her curiosity was enough to overcome the stigma. And it was a wonderful experience!

Thanks for the report, IDS.

At one point I felt I could see all the things I had been trying to express in my mind and in my life, forming perfect sentences in front of me. But when I tried to write the sentences down or say them out loud, something would slip and a section of the idea was gone. I ended up with a notebook full of broken sentence fragments, partial sections of perfect thoughts. Multiple-page commentaries on spiritualism, social and professional society, drugs and pharmacology. Half-finished thoughts that could have been profound, but would not be worth sharing with the sane and sober.

I think I can relate to the sense of inexpressible revelations that you’re referring to. I’m not sure what I think of them … ideas can seem so convincing in the moment, but their incommunicable nature leaves them as vague impressions when you return to the world of language. Maybe these ideas were profound, but weren't suitable for articulation. Is it delusion or gnosis?

I've never tried DOC, nor do I think I will in the near future due to the length. DOM, 2C-P, and mescaline hcl are three of the marathon psychedelics higher on my to-do list at the moment. I hope to try it someday though.
 
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MDMA can have good appeal to people who are usually skittish about drug use. At the same time, a lot of people are scared of it for a lot of different reasons. My girlfriend is scared to death of it for the depression that some people get after coming down.

The "inexpressible revelations" part of the trip you commented on was frustrating, but it can happen during psychedelic experiences in general... I can't blame it specifically on DOC. And I couldn't expect to master such a powerful drug the first or second time through (this was trip#2). It just requires so much commitment to peel back each next layer...
 
Dondante said:
^^What about MDMA? I know you've seen the dark side of that chemical, but you must have also seen the potential benefits. It can be immensely therapeutic. If you have an open discussion and give her the facts, she might change her attitude. I'd say the most important thing to do is to plant a seed ... get her interested, but let her come to her own conclusions. I never encouraged my fiancé to try anything with me, but eventually her curiosity was enough to overcome the stigma. And it was a wonderful experience!

Nah, she'll especially never do MDMA, nor will I ever again... way too much depression afterwards. It's been worse for me every time and after the last time it was life-disrupting and I just don't care to ever use it again, nor do I think she should. I think if she'll ever do a psychedelic, her first would probably be AMT, for reasons identical to the reasons for your suggestion of MDMA. :) Or mushrooms, just because she'll be very unlikely to trust a man-made chemical. Which I suppose rules out AMT as well. :\

She and I are actually in a pretty similar place spiritually, except she goes at it from a more traditional angle. Still, the core concept of the oneness of consciousness is what we both believe in, and we discuss this a great deal, so it's not like I can't talk to her about this stuff. I do wish though that she would be willing to have a good trip... really I'd most like it to be mushrooms. Even just once. As I feel it could be very beneficial to her being able to actually live her life in the way that she knows she should live it, by stepping outside of herself for a minute. :)

But, um, this isn't about IndoleDreamStudies or DOC, is it?
 
Xorkoth said:
My fiance...she's a very anxious person and is afraid to actually try any because she doesn't want to become like a stereotypical "acid casualty". I feel that she could be helped a lot by the right trip... It's too bad... I think it could really help her to step outside of herself for a moment. She's got control issues that she's aware of, but regardless has a hard time getting past.


It's not that important for someone to try these drugs unless they feel themselves drawn to these type of experiences. She can overcome anxiety without psychs. She'll try it if the time is ripe....
 
Nice TR it described the affects and the headspace really well.
The reports of no sleep scare me away from this one I don’t do that well with lack of sleep.

My GF doesn’t like psychedelics that much either but I’m OK with that, I have had enough whacked out hippy chicks that like strange drugs.
I like girls who are grounded these days.
 
squerll said:
...I have had enough whacked out hippy chicks that like strange drugs.
I like girls who are grounded these days...
Yeah, I can't deal with my alter-egos either... :D
 
^Yeah one whacked out drug user is enough!!
I need a female energy that will ground me.
 
The "inexpressible revelations" part of the trip you commented on was frustrating, but it can happen during psychedelic experiences in general... I can't blame it specifically on DOC. And I couldn't expect to master such a powerful drug the first or second time through (this was trip#2). It just requires so much commitment to peel back each next layer...

But don't you feel like some things just aren't worth trying to articulate? Sure there are parts of the psychedelic experience for which there simply is no vocabulary, but in addition it seems like there are profound levels of awareness where even metaphors fail. I'm sure you've heard the Zen saying, "The finger can point to the moon but is not the moon." It's like the experience transcends language. I'm thinking of a repeating experience where I glimpse the inner workings of the universe. It's like a moment of complete comprehension. In my opinion, the details of an experience like that are truly ineffable.
 
squerll said:
^Yeah one whacked out drug user is enough!!
I need a female energy that will ground me.

Yeah... although I do long for my fiance to trip with me, at the same time one of the ways in which we are perfect for each other is that she isn't obsessed with drugs. =D If we both were, I think it would be a bad thing after a while.

Dondante said:
But don't you feel like some things just aren't worth trying to articulate? Sure there are parts of the psychedelic experience for which there simply is no vocabulary, but in addition it seems like there are profound levels of awareness where even metaphors fail. I'm sure you've heard the Zen saying, "The finger can point to the moon but is not the moon." It's like the experience transcends language. I'm thinking of a repeating experience where I glimpse the inner workings of the universe. It's like a moment of complete comprehension. In my opinion, the details of an experience like that are truly ineffable.

Very true. However, some people (like myself and, I suspect, IDS) feel a strong drive to attempt to communicate the ineffable anyway. I'm not sure why, but one of my strongest drives in life is to express this sort of thing. In fact it took a long time to be able to fully enjoy my trips because I get so preoccupied with trying to communicate it to others.
 
Dondante said:
But don't you feel like some things just aren't worth trying to articulate? Sure there are parts of the psychedelic experience for which there simply is no vocabulary, but in addition it seems like there are profound levels of awareness where even metaphors fail. I'm sure you've heard the Zen saying, "The finger can point to the moon but is not the moon." It's like the experience transcends language. I'm thinking of a repeating experience where I glimpse the inner workings of the universe. It's like a moment of complete comprehension. In my opinion, the details of an experience like that are truly ineffable.
Well-said and true, but it is just these kinds of things that present real challenges to the literary artists/scientists amongst us and therefore we will try anyway... :)
 
^^Describing the indescribable I think that gets into the realm of poetry and art.
I wish I had art skills I would like to draw some of the stuff I see.
 
I've been thinking about it, and I guess metaphors can point in the right direction; however, to someone who hasn't had such experiences, they probably just seem to point into the dark.

Just to be clear, I'm not against trying your best to eff the ineffable ...

I suppose I do it myself sometimes. ;)
 
squerll said:
^^Describing the indescribable I think that gets into the realm of poetry and art.
I wish I had art skills I would like to draw some of the stuff I see.

You don't wish for art skills, you just do it.
 
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