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Do you want your kids to take drugs?

birdup.snaildown said:
Is there any evidence for the nature part of the argument?
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Dutch Twin Studies have apparently found different genetic determinants to addiction to various different substances. The attached brief article contains references to a number of such studies: https://www.jsad.com/doi/full/10.15288/jsad.2016.77.684

birdup.snaildown said:
That link is about depression, not addiction.
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The diathesis model uses the genetic x environment interaction to explain all kinds of maladaptive adult mental states. I believe it originated with schizophrenia and now extends to a whole bunch of stuff from depression to addiction. As the above articles indicate though, research is in its infancy but is considered a legitimate and fairly robust line of enquiry.
 
Perforated said:
Dutch Twin Studies have apparently found different genetic determinants to addiction to various different substances. The attached brief article contains references to a number of such studies: https://www.jsad.com/doi/full/10.15288/jsad.2016.77.684


The diathesis model uses the genetic x environment interaction to explain all kinds of maladaptive adult mental states. I believe it originated with schizophrenia and now extends to a whole bunch of stuff from depression to addiction. As the above articles indicate though, research is in its infancy but is considered a legitimate and fairly robust line of enquiry.
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A little above my head. ADHD for instance is atrongly linked to amohetamine addictions though. Comorbidities include autism, bipolar, depression, which then links you to pretty much every addiction ever. Addiction in itself is a mental illness listed in the DSM-V.
 
If I had a kid Id make sure to pay attention to that sort of shit. Meaning any neurological developmental or mental issues at all. I have a hell of a combative side and everything I just listed above, and then some. Most of it wasnt caught til my 20s though when I started to advocate for myself a bit better. Crazy, crazy, and it was so obvious in retrospect.

My parents actually kind of glossed over something that was glaring. That was pretty fucking stupid. I try not to resent that.
 
age would be the main factor i would be concerned about. go to work pay your bills and take care of your family and i don't give a shit what any one person does on their own time. as far as drugs go anyways..
 
JessFR said:
If they're my kids they may not be especially great at personal responsibility..
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Of course it's easier said. First you gotta teach the adults personal responsibility, cuz this prohibition practice isn't working.

@birdup.snaildown Meth in excess is a weird one. But I wouldn't buy meth for kids. It's experimental perhaps. If anything some THC candy might calm down a hyperactive brain.
 
i think for me and any other country for that matter where weed/cannabis is legal it's gonna be hard to stop them from using it as it gonna be widely available. So with cannabis alone i would like my kid to be honest and tell me they want to try or use it and feel comfortable about having that conversation with me. At the same time i also would like to tell them and warn them of the use off any other stronger drugs that they might come across on or have the time to take or experiment with it. Basically make all dangers clear to them and to be open with me when they have tried it and what they felt and if they feel that it might become a danger in the future. Telling them not to use it is only gonna want them to try and use it more. So for me i would really try and warn them of the outcome of future use and what path it can lead them down to. As for me being an ex H addict and Alcoholic i already know what lays down the future path and plus we also have alcoholics in our family and they can see what it did to them and there futures. I just hope with my insight and guidelines that they will make the right choices and if they didn't that they will feel comfortable enough to come to me with there problems so we can sort it out as a family with love and support. No parents wants to see there offspring spiral down the dark hole in a way it is inevitable with today's society and lifestyles.

So what im Getting at is just educating them on everything to a certain point ( i mean you don't to learn them how to cook up San Pedro ) but at the same time educate them on the good and bad and when your ADULT mind will be able to understand and comprehend whats is going on and the end results of what they doing or want to do.

So it's a dbl edge sword, some kids will try and dislike, where other will try and want more. A bit of a gamble if you ask me
 
Coffeeshroom said:
i think for me and any other country for that matter where weed/cannabis is legal it's gonna be hard to stop them from using it as it gonna be widely available.
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Indeed.

Interesting that some of the same people who are pro-legalization (of all drugs) also don't want their kids to use cannabis.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Indeed.

Interesting that some of the same people who are pro-legalization (of all drugs) also don't want their kids to use cannabis.
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I’m pro-decriminalisation of all drugs largely because my kid and his mates have been put up before a judge for the most ridiculous types and amounts of drugs. And if the judge is in a bad mood, or you can’t afford a lawyer, and the judge doesn’t divert them and finds them guilty instead the type or amount of drug doesn’t matter. They have a criminal record with all the social networks professional limitations that brings with it (even in Australia). I’ve seen kids get criminal records for a single joint or a single pressed Xanax.

Then they take even more drugs out of being unemployable due to a criminal record.

I see it as two separate issues.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Indeed.

Interesting that some of the same people who are pro-legalization (of all drugs) also don't want their kids to use cannabis.
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Personally the main reason I wouldn't want my kid using cannabis ideally is because it's illegal. If it occupied a place in society similar to alcohol is actually much rather they do weed than alcohol.

My primary concern with my hypothetical kids doing weed isn't the weed, it's the illegal environment that it forces you to come into contact with.

Alcohols a much worse drug that weed all in all, but unfortunately I gotta work within how society is now rather than how I wish it were.

Although personally I'd call myself pro regulation more than fill legalization. Weed I'd likely just make completely legal in my hypothetical society. No advertising to minors, but otherwise fine.

Harder drugs, heroin, meth, etc, I'd make controlled. So not illegal, but accessable through a controlled legal system. Similar to how methadone works but less strict than that. Probably some kind of variable quota system.
 
Meth is schedule II here, desoxyn, most pharmacies have it for ADHD. Morphine is schedule II, but I had to look up that heroin is schedule I along with MDMA and cannabis. So here's the thing, it can be OTC over the counter or prescription fill from a doctor script. No drug should be off limits as they all have use. But then you can say, hey, can a doctor prescribe something I take recreationally? (PCP, Ketamine)
 
My daughter had the cards stacked against her from the get go. I came very close to having an abortion. I was not at all happy upon hearing I was pregnant at 25. Living out in San Francisco, my

boyfriend slinging weed on Haight Street. Meanwhile, I'm making soft-core porn videos for some (another wealthy, fucked up) freak to get off on. Does that sound like a recipe for GREAT

PARENTHOOD??! We were far from equipped. But I had her and she was perfect. Fast forward. She is now 30, bi-polar, unmedicated because she enjoys the manic part of the disease, and has addiction

running on both sides of her family. Her grandparents were TRUE hippies. They were at the ORIGINAL Woodstock and brought their son (my future daughter's father) with them. He committed suicide in

2016. He was also bi-polar. Hung himself from a tree. My partner of 20 years died of a drug overdose that year. 2016 can lick my asshole. Anyway, drugs came early for her. She was smoking weed with

her grandparents at 14. They considered it NATURAL. I was not happy about this, only because her brain was not fully formed. So, I will never know how things may have turned out differently for her.

In high school, she got kicked out for selling her adderall and klonopin, which she conned her shrink into giving her. Now she is hooked on heroin/fent and always her speed. And the Pins.

I didn't start using heroin until I was 35. So....I dunno. I just try to keep an open line of communication with her. She is too old to be 'grounded'! But I worry a lot, because of her risk of suicide, which she

has major ideation for. Fuck, I think I wrote enough, yeah?!
 
JessFR said:
Main thing for me is I don't want them to go down a bad path.

That can happen with both alcohol and marijuana, which isn't to say marijuana is as bad as alcohol in itself, it's not, but they can both be the first step into dangerous waters so to speak.

I wouldn't care if my children did drugs occasionally, alcohol included, so long as it didn't become a problem. But I would strongly encourage them to be alert to the dangers of experimenting with these substances if they choose to use them. Not just from the drugs themselves but the social environments they create.

That's basically where I sit on it. I would warn them that my concern is simply because I've seen drugs, including alcohol, fuck up a lot of lives, and that since I'm an addict they'd probably be at higher than average risk anyway, and that I just don't want them to get into something that they might lose control of.

That's my thinking on it.

Casual use of drugs like alcohol, marijuana, as well a some others, I don't really see as a problem. Provided you can keep the use casual and moderate. My main concern is that I and several other family members of mine have had a problem with keeping addictive behaviors moderate. So I'd rather any children of mine avoid the risks by not getting involved with those substances and activities to start with. But obviously in the long run you can't protect your kids from trying what they wanna try.
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But that is where the problem begins, JessFR. If addiction runs in your family, then its like playing Russian roulette. that is exactly how I became addicted to heroin. Who knew that would happen?? I didn't know the complete history of my family at that point. But I did know alcoholism ran in it. I played roulette anyway and I'm still playing.:(
 
lovemissile66 said:
But that is where the problem begins, JessFR. If addiction runs in your family, then its like playing Russian roulette. that is exactly how I became addicted to heroin. Who knew that would happen?? I didn't know the complete history of my family at that point. But I did know alcoholism ran in it. I played roulette anyway and I'm still playing.:(
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Which is why I'd rather my hypothetical kids just remained away from addictive drugs and activities entirely. But it's probably not very realistic to expect that to actually happen. Best I can do is explain the risks and hope they don't end up going down a similar path as me.

We can reduce the risks, but not eliminate them. Genetics isn't predestination. I also had a bunch of environmental factors that increase risk of addiction problems.
 
JessFR said:
Personally the main reason I wouldn't want my kid using cannabis ideally is because it's illegal. If it occupied a place in society similar to alcohol is actually much rather they do weed than alcohol.

My primary concern with my hypothetical kids doing weed isn't the weed, it's the illegal environment that it forces you to come into contact with.
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Interesting.

I think alcohol is worse overall, but I definitely think it's less habit forming (for most people) than weed... or, at least, weed tends to create really toxic habits.

But these habits are only toxic because being stoned is incompatible with capitalism.

Psychedelics open your eyes to the futile nature of our money-driven career climbing bullshit existence... but (like you say) we exist in that world, so it's probably best not to look behind the curtain so to speak.

I don't know. I'm still conflicted about it.

Weed makes people less successful (in terms of how we tend to measure success anyway) and it tends to make people less happy... but are they unhappy because of the incompatibility?

I hate the idea of working my whole life to buy shit that I don't want. I'd rather live a simple life.

My Dad keeps telling me you need a million dollars to retire these days, but that's bullshit. He has bucket loads of money and he's just as miserable as some people I know living on the pension.

I genuinely don't want my kids to be doctors and lawyers if it doesn't make them happy. I want them to be happy, not successful... and these are not things that necessarily go hand in hand.

I'm rambling. I've had a long very difficult day. I will shut up now.
 
I'd prefer him not to, but since I enjoy chemicals immensely and his grandfather on his mum's side used to be a big time drug lord, there's a chance he may choose to experiment.

If he does, I would rather him be upfront and honest so that I can take the time to educate and teach him harm reduction. And if he was completely set on trying something, I would source it from one of my suppliers, so I know what he's getting into, and tripsit him in a controlled and safe environment.
I actually did this with an ex girlfriend of mine who was curious about trying a few things and have done it with my current partner too.
 
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