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Do you think Jesus would frown on psychedelic use?

greenmeanies said:
Remember that there are several sects of Christianity and other religions that openly embrace the use of entheogens for spiritual growth. Uniao do Vegetal in Brazil uses ayahuasca; the Church of Inner Light believes that DPT is in fact Christ's body (certainly way better than crackers and holy wine)
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I dunno whether I'd call those "sects" of christianity. I was always sad that the people who took ayahuasca (long before christianity) were forced on fear of torture and death to adopt the catholic religion of their spanish masters. Pretty disgusting. Sad that they do it even to this day.

The temple of inner light? Was that the long-haired guy who used to give young women DPT in an attempt to fuck them? :) Did he work out of some hovel of a tenement in New York?
 
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For sure dude, 'take of the seed bearing fruits and do with them as you may' something along those lines, it was right after the great flood.

Part of the inspiration for this thread is how sad it makes me that the popular image of drug use in modern religion is limited to hedonistic intoxication. I truly feel that many religious people would have something to gain from psychedelic use, though that door is never approached because of the 'devils candy' archetype BS that is ingrained in them from other peoples interpretations of their holy book. Though as mentioned by never knows best, it doesn't seem to me that the scripture itself draws the same conclusion...rather its a twisted modern trend that has become attached to the religious pursuit of cleanliness, making it another misconstrewed monster in the eyes of so many people truly trying to do the right thing.

Grrr, those dogmas and social-cultural cages are irritating..! I'm a very spiritual person and I do respect the diligent upholding of ideals one truly believes in...its just sad that the idea and connotation of right and wrong go largely uninvestigated by followers of doctrine and those apart of a formal religious community....Not all of them..! Of course, I know some deep Christians, Jews and others who whole-heartedly investigate their own ideation of right and wrong. Its just kinda scary that when you have a set of practices and beliefs which have been adopted by a large group of people that there is often intimidation by those 'followers' to consider things outside the box of their peers, even if those ideas are not in taboo opposition to the doctrine itself. That was my exp at least...

I was raised Christian, and when I became of age and started to ponder about existence I felt truly horrified about 'over stepping the boundaries' of what Was Taught to me as 'the way things are'(in a philosophical sense). It was a big break through for me to realize "it is okay to consider existence", there is no blasphemy in pondering. And that's when i got unlugged from the matrix lol...I slowly unconditioned all the constraints I'd been wrapped in by cultural brain washing and the like :-)
 
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to NKB: I would imagine that in monotheistic christianity, the idea of a sacred and/or divine plant/fungus/thing (eg. a plant, fungus or a 'thing'), something seen not just as a pathway to god but a god itself, would jar with the notion of one true divine spirit (ie. God); implicitly mind you- hence the idea that peoples using, say, peyote or yage were seen as interacting with the diabolical; there cannot be two gods, anything with apparent divinity that isn't Yahweh is the devil. Not neccesarily a major ideal in the modern world of modern drugs; or is it?

edit 2: I've always loved "Thou shalt not suffer a witch/sorceress to live". Vicious and misogynistic! ;)
 
willow11 said:
to NKB: I would imagine that in monotheistic christianity, the idea of a sacred and/or divine plant/fungus/thing (eg. a plant, fungus or a 'thing'), something seen not just as a pathway to god but a god itself, would jar with the notion of one true divine spirit (ie. God); implicitly mind you-
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Well yeah definitely, but we needn't consider psychedelics "sacred", might we just call them a useful meditative/reflective tool? I can't deny though that some of the thoughts they commonly inspire would not mesh with Christian thinking. But were a tradition of such things around, and a friendly framework of interpration made, I think the differences would be resolvable. Overall though I think it'd be much easier for them to find fans in Judaism, which has a strong tradition of encouraging intellectualism and debate.

edit 2: I've always loved "Thou shalt not suffer a witch/sorceress to live". Vicious and misogynistic! ;)
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Yeah, that would fall under blasphemy and was punishable by death via stoning in the olden days of the Jews. And capital punishment was effectively abolished ~30 C.E. according to the Talmud, I believe. Christians just do whatever they feel like, that religion was never the biggest on logic (but let us recall Christ and the whole "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" event. Of course, it seems that not many Christians really try to emulate Christ).
 
You've taken way to many drugs mate. First this, and then a thread where you have to choose between tripping with Hitler or Charles Manson? Lay of the psychedelics for a while jesus.
 
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You've taken way to many drugs mate. First this, and then a thread where you have to choose between tripping with Hitler or Charles Manson? Lay of the psychedelics for a while jesus.
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I don't even trip much anymore lol...just eccentric by nature. I have fun acting a lil crazy from time to time ;) I swear, I can act in ways which are compliant with societies norms...! I'm an undercover madman normally, I just like to play mad hatter here :-)
 
^ I'm proud of my insane and controversial thread children....we're a happy little family. I've been on a roll w/eccentric posts cause I've been snowed in lol....if it comes off that I'm tripping too much, than I guess my tactics of madness are succeeding :-)
 
Buddha had a list of dos and don'ts. I believe he was against the use of intoxicants. There may be people of the buddhist faith who are more lenient. Siddhartha Buddha was an ascetic though. He barely accepted food, never mind psychedelics and intoxicants.

People who follow the path of mindfulness, may appreciate psychedelics. Different types of meditation may blend with an individuals own spiritual quest, combining with Buddhist influences...


Jesus probably wouldn't have to big a problem. He was crucified for defying his governments standards at the time. He was the rebel. And he cared more for the people on the fringe of society, the forgotten people. He hung out with the freaks of his time, and gave them full acceptance as people just like all the others, whether they be filled with power or completely powerless.

It is real hard to say whether Jesus would partake... He did drink the wine.

And Jesus raised the mushroom, saying "Here is my brain. With it, you will see what I see."
 
^^good post :-)

Siddhartha would probably pass, I agree. He would likely opt for the humble road of diligent practice, even if he felt the plants could aid in the quest for enlightenment.

I like what ya said about Jesus too :-) ESP 'this is my brain...' lol
 
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