That somebody should be strapped to a bed and given 3x/day shots of diacetyl morphine for two months, and then try some meditation and see how far that gets them.
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I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but you mentioned shooting up...Keep in mind I have NOTHING against that, but it's not something I have ever done. I assume that ROA hits alot harder and faster than taking pain meds by mouth?
In addition, while I realize I am physically dependent on my meds, I take them for chronic pain. So when I run out, I have a whole lot of physical pain to deal with on top of the pain of withdrawals...maybe it's just due to the fact that it takes awhile to get the "regular" amount of the drug into my system?
Who knows...again, this is not something that happens all the time. When it does happen though, it's awful.
This Is probably sick, but I can't help but laugh when I picture this actually taking place....strapping someone to a bed, shooting them up with drugs 3 * a day then suddenly kicking them out after 2 months and telling them to go meditate....Haha!
I understand the point of this post completely, it's just comical to picture for some reason
I also think that is very strange (to the guy who said that it takes him three days to get well). In my experience, it can sometimes take me a half hour so after shooting heroin to feel totally well if I was very sick when I did it because my body was jsut so out of wack that it cant instantly go back to normal. But three days? How can that be?
Not that it matters, but I am a girl...I hate by username, wish I could change it lolI know what he is talking about, you take your last pills, the wd"s come on and you make it a week (feeling shitty the whole week cuz the pills have had time to build up in your system, through oral ROA), and you get your script, it can take three days no prob for those pills to build back up in your system, to where you feel "normal."
It is different with heroin, which has a short half-life compared to a lot of other opiates, that combined with the ROA of choice for most heroin users, creates a serious roller coaster, sick and well, "ride...."
There is a substantial mental component but it's pointless to attempt to quantify that because it varies substantially between individuals.
For most people, the more times they withdraw, the worse the Withdrawals get regardless of if that is disproportionate to their use - it's basic classical conditioning: the more times you experience aversive stimuli, the more you will become afraid of it so your fear will make the physical symptoms worse and worse over time .
With that said, just because there's a substantial mental component doesn't mean you can just will away the symptoms (or rather the severity of them) any more than Pavlov's dogs can choose not to salivate at the sound of a bell. You are training yourself to have worse and worse withdrawals.
On top of this, the more mentally addicted you become, the more you try to convince yourself you HAVE to use. This is done through many forms of rationalization, one of which is convincing yourself that the withdrawal will be worse than it is so you will be too afraid to stop and this fear physically makes the withdrawal worse. You often see this in people who withdraw after single uses long after being physically dependent - they haven't used enough to become dependent again but they trigger their fear of withdrawal as well as their addictive processes trying to convince them to keep using.
I agree, Cane. The first drug I became physically dependent on was hydrocodone. When my addiction got to its height I remember taking more than I really wanted or needed, praying for them to be gone somewhere inside. But once they were I'd totally flipped out.^ I was always the same way with anything I was dependent on - if I was low on cigarettes or quitting, I would be fine if I had a couple or even just one and I could abstain and go days or weeks but as soon as I smoked that last one, all of the sudden I couldn't get it out of my head.
I have friends who are the opposite though (which seems more common in addicts) where if they have it on hand, they can not NOT take it and are not at ease just knowing it's available to them and they have to dispose of that availability to have any shot at abstinence.
I think that's a really interesting disparity in personality styles between a lot of substance users.
I have friends who are the opposite though (which seems more common in addicts) where if they have it on hand, they can not NOT take it and are not at ease just knowing it's available to them and they have to dispose of that availability to have any shot at abstinence.
It's not mostly in your head; piloerection, high blood pressure, etc. are clear physical differences that you can't simply mentally reverse.
Yeah I think a lot of its in yer head. Can't say I got much exp with withdrawl but a few weeks ago I blew 1200 on pills in just 2 weeks cut cold turkey and didn't get sick. I mean I was eatn them like a motherfucker up to 7 30s a day but the only thing after I stopped was got some chills and shaking that's about it and the want to do more.
If you get yer mind off the drugs than its a whole lot easier.