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Do you take amphets or meth?

rm2x said:
I've been fortunate enough recently to come across 4Methylaminorex.
Since doing so I have decided that I will no longer do methamphetamine as I don't get scattered or agressive like I do on methamphetamine.
Get more bang for your buck too, I find it much more productive.
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Here we go with this 4MAR bs again....
Not to sound like a dick, but are you 100% sure about this? (Ie what your dealer tells you doesn;t count... i mean scientific PROOF)
The precursor situation is the same for 4MAR as for amphetamine as phase dancer mentioned... PPA isn't available in Australia. Anyone selling 4MAR is almost certainly just trying to boost sales of their crystalised methamphetamine. I've tested so many different samples using a 300MHz 1H NMR machine (I have the data if interested, or search my posts) and all the "4MAR" was d-methylamphetamine... no ifs or buts about it. Just because 4MAR was nicknamed ice years ago, doesnt mean this stuff we call ice, is the same thing. I know ppl who call meth "crack" as a coloquial term... does that make it cocaine? Of course not.
There is a reason the shit is rare as hen's teeth.
1. Rxn requires PPA
2. Rxn is pretty hard to undertake, and dangerous as cyanide is used
3. Meth is more popular and well known with the average drug user

Also, interestingly, Horty Mokbel is being charged with conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamine... his charge? Possession of... P2P! (P2P is the precursor for methamphetamine/amphetamine for Leuckhart rxns amongst others). P2P is so hard to get compared to pseudoephedrine, and the product (either meth or amphet, depending on the other precursor used) is going to be racemic. Furthermore, the yield is shit compared with Birch rxns and whatnot (from my chem knowledge). Kinda wierd I thought.

PS Mods, I dont want to cross the line as far as synth goes, please edit where you see fit
 
sometimes I choose base or ice individually as they do have quite a different effect when Iv'd even though they are mostly the same drug.
 
personally, i take both.

i have a real love of speed, and a real hatred at the same time.
spent 2 years of my life (age 15-17) using the shit daily.
really fucked me up. ever since i make sure i don't go for more than 3 days straight on it.
for some reason it's one thing my body and mind gets addicted to very quickly.

as for the feelings, i do prefer meth/ice
it has a nice intense rush to it, and it lasts a shitload longer
half a gram of shards will do a lot more for me than half a gram of speed will.

it'll take me an entire night to go through 4 - 5 pts of ice,
i've found i can make 7 points last and keep me quite contently fucked up for 2 - 3 days.
generally i only need to snort less than a point of it to get chargy :)

as opposed to inhaling half a gram of whiz in 3 or 4 lines in quick succession.
just to get the feeling i want,
and needing an eightball just for 2 of us to have a good weekend lol.


one thing i will add,
i've stayed up for a little over a week on speed, and even tho i got into a shitty mood and didnt have the time for anyone.

it didnt mess my head up as bad as staying up for 4-5 days on ice did.
on the fourth day i started getting shadow people, having dark shadowy hallucinations, and i honestly felt like i had begun to lose myself to insanity.
 
I prefer normal dexamphetamine for most things (study, music production)...meth doesn't seem to be as strong even on high doses, it acually makes me a bit tired. Strange....the meth is def. good quality as well.
 
OK out of theory I am probably wrong, but seeing as our speed is pretty much cut meth if we were to do an acetone wash to clean the speed we would naturally be left with the pure product correct? So seeing as we are left with the pure product we should be able to smoke it now shouldn't we or is that not possible because it is made a different way...?

Out of theory I think I am correct but I could be wrong I've only got basic chemistry knowledge/skills.
 
OK out of theory I am probably wrong, but seeing as our speed is pretty much cut meth if we were to do an acetone wash to clean the speed we would naturally be left with the pure product correct?
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Depends entirely on what it's cut with. If the cut has different solubility properties to meth it should be easier to remove with a simple wash. If the solubility is similar (both insoluble in acetone, but both soluble in water alcohol etc) then it's a different matter altogether.

Here's a tasty little something for you. It's from a very good book titled Organic Laboratory Techniques (a contemporary approach, second edition) by Pavia, Lampman and Kriz. It's quite an old edition and now out of print, but look around second hand book shops, and you may see it.


crystallization-_purification_of_solids.pdf

Once you understand what's going on, then providing you can identify the cuts, all you then need is solubility data (e.g. Merck Index) and a range of solvents.

std disclaimer: Don't forget, any cleaning of drugs may appear to LE to be something more, so think carefully before deciding it's worth rearranging your kitchen for.
 
Hey phase dancer is base just meth before it's been purified into crystals?

meaning after the base is purified there's less of the product but then u get the purified crystals that give u a 'cleaner feeling'?

Does that mean all that beige sulphate we get is somewhat harmful compared to the clear crystals?
 
Hey phase dancer is base just meth before it's been purified into crystals?
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Yes, but base normally also contains some solvent

meaning after the base is purified there's less of the product but then u get the purified crystals that give u a 'cleaner feeling'?
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There's possibly some noticable feeling difference from cleaning some forms of base, but route of administration, if different will also change the effects somewhat.

Does that mean all that beige sulphate we get is somewhat harmful compared to the clear crystals?
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Meth is normally the HCl salt, not sulphate. Some impurities could certainly be harmful. I'll try and address this in a future thread, that is, when I get the chance...
 
Wish i could find sulphate here in australia, does it even exist here?
 

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^^^ I second that lol.

Dexies are everywhere if you know people they are pretty easy to come by... Their is no great use for them though I get some sometimes if I need to do some assignments but I would rather use plain old meth it seems to do a better job...
 
phase_dancer said:
Meth is normally the HCl salt, not sulphate. Some impurities could certainly be harmful. I'll try and address this in a future thread, that is, when I get the chance...
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You sure about this? I mean, all the smokable meth must be the HCl salt, but the speed which is generally sold as such is generally the sulfate salt I thought? Without going into synth dicussion, can someone answer is the salt determined by A) the salt of the psuedoephedrine (usually the HCl salt) or B) the type of acid used in the last step (hope thats not too vague)?
 
The vast majority (as in 99+% ) of speed whether base, powder, shards in Aus is meth. The main evidence for this is police seizures which when lab tested are almost always meth.

To answer your other part, B - the acid used in the last step.
 
nabollocks said:
Ever heard of dex-amphetamine?8)
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Its not the same. The putty stuff is all over europe and i liked it way more than meth. Dont get me wrong meth gives u a massive head spin but i felt better when i did sulphate. That shit rocks and it was soooo cheap.
 
Without going into synth dicussion, can someone answer is the salt determined by A) the salt of the psuedoephedrine (usually the HCl salt) or B) the type of acid used in the last step (hope thats not too vague)?
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It's determined by whatever acid is used in the last step to form a salt from the freebase. It's usually HCl, I highly doubt there is much methamphetamine H2SO4 going around. HCl is just so much more readily available.

Its not the same. The putty stuff is all over europe and i liked it way more than meth. Dont get me wrong meth gives u a massive head spin but i felt better when i did sulphate. That shit rocks and it was soooo cheap.
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Uh, dex-amphetamine isn't meth, it's just the dextro-isomer of amphetamine which is 'smoother' and less jittery then racemic amphetamine, sold as Adderall overseas. I don't know whether most amphetamine sold on the streets in Europe is racemic or just dextro.
 
rogan said:
The vast majority (as in 99+% ) of speed whether base, powder, shards in Aus is meth. The main evidence for this is police seizures which when lab tested are almost always meth.
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LOL, man youre preaching to the choir here. I did NMR specs and posted results to prove that very point; ice/speed/base = meth. Not 4MAR or anything else exotic. Where did I say otherwise? Meth can be two things (ie different salts). The HCl is the smokable kind, the sulphate is non-smokable and as such usually sold as speed powder
 
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