Psychology Do you have an “internal monologue” that never ends?

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

Generally speaking, no. Hit my Head too many times. Still feel quite Lucky to not have one. Gotta keep it low key stressless and internal monologue doesnt sound like that. How ever in my thoughts im pretty casual and warm.

 

[Hylight]

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Do you have an inner monologue or do you envision things in more visually/conceptually in your thoughts?

(It’s trending on the internet, so I’ll call this a current event.)

Do you have an “internal monologue” that never ends?

Do you have an "internal monologue" that never ends?

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YES! Not always a monologue - sometimes a duologue or even involving multiple people, like long, detailed, imaginary conversations in my head - but usually a constant monologue. It is very much the reason I find it so hard to sleep without meds.

Is it actually normal then? Every doctor/psych I have described it to has to me it's a symptom of and schizophrenic in nature.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

It's a part of why I take so many sedatives because they make it STFU (in really high doses) or dampen it down a little. Like there'll be an endless rambling monologue, often just of random words in my head even if I'm trying to read or something. VERY annoying.

 

[wudbutcher]

not dialogue. just says one word. quietly, less than a whisper. blocks out the sun. has tainted every good time. hidden every milestone. shadowed every accomplishment. the stones couldnt get no,steve earle aint ever. bet they heard it too

 

[December Flower]

Is it actually normal then? Every doctor/psych I have described it to has to me it's a symptom of and schizophrenic in nature.

That's because a psych has to find SOMETHING, and schizophrenia is the go-to response, because it's so multi-facetted.

I doubt anyone can go to a psych and they'll tell you you're fine.

 

[Droppersneck]

I have one that only continues when I use psychedelics. It’s the same one that I’ve had since I was like 12. It involves deep introspection and the dark side of the moon playing on repeat in my head. It’s culmination was when I did 5meo in Quebec with dr Gerry sandival a few years back. Haven’t continued it since.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

What I consider my internal monologues is the music playing in my head. Which, I agree, feels somewhat psychopathic or schizophrenic by nature cause its like my mind telling myself on how to live. Its like "Am I trying to kid myself or other people?"

 

[envoy]

I have one that only continues when I use psychedelics. It’s the same one that I’ve had since I was like 12. It involves deep introspection and the dark side of the moon playing on repeat in my head. It’s culmination was when I did 5meo in Quebec with dr Gerry sandival a few years back. Haven’t continued it since.

Sandoval is an alleged quack and rapist, among other things. I would seriously think about what went down during your time with him. I mean, just because he has numerous accusations doesn't mean he may have touched your pee pee man, but there can be 2 sides to the same story book as they say.

I think one should avoid the shaman route, which in my studies is more concerned with them making a profit/living than actually helping the many desperate people that seek out their services for often times life changing and life continuing reasons. These services are sometimes "last resorts" to their patients and what has allegedly happened to some is truly criminal.

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[Xorkoth]

Oh god don't get started on Octavio, that guy (and even moreso Gerry Sandoval who is a rapist and manipulator) is awful and should be arrested. It's too bad that the 'recovery industry' picked up all this "shaman" stuff, now it's largely charlatans charging obscene amounts of money to faciliate a journey for you. Of course there are also good people doing good work. But I am extremely wary of anyone claiming to be a "shaman", especially anyone not part of the cultures that actually produces real shamans.

 

[Foreigner]

My internal world is a mix of feelings/impressions/intuitions and mental/rational processes. In all the testing methods for character and personality I'm come out 50/50 rational/intuitive. I can often move through my day just through feeling without any thoughts, visualizations or words. The opposite is also true... I can have a full on internal conversation with myself at great length.

 

[goob:$]

I have OCD and psychotic depression, so my dialogue NEVER stops and is usually extremely negative and dark.

feel you i also have ocd and depression and a bunch of other things like yeah i have a dialogue but like i also have a ton of other fun lil voices that come to me in the most convenient times

 

[goob:$]

I don’t have an internal monologue. I didn’t know people had them and I thought when you see it in movies or tv for example, it was just a cheesy cliche way of narrating someone’s thoughts in their own voice so you could know what they were thinking.

i didn’t know people actually thought to themselves in their head in an actual voice and I couldn’t believe it when I found out it wasn’t a joke

but like how do you think about things then?

like if i look back on a conversation i have had i can hear it in my head exactly the way i heard it when it was happening so i hear their voices and my own like what they said and what i said

i don’t understand how it works if people don’t have an inner dialogue or monologue or whatever hahah i’m genuinely curious how do you think?

 

[ions]

It’s intuition, self talk, autonomous voice communication. Check out psychonautwiki.org

 

[ions]

It precipitated after mdma for me. It turned on my antennae. Just kind of like rapid rolling thoughts.

 

[Sirena Oscura]

This reminds me of a story I heard from a psychologist.
A patient went to a psychologist because she thought she was hearing voices....... it was her own internal monologue which is completely normal and most people have. Of course it doesn’t stop, it’s your conscious thoughts.
Personally I find it really weird that some people do not report an internal monologue... I think they should be studied.

 

[4meSM]

I don't have an endless internal monologue. It only appears sometimes when I really need to focus on something or while doing very specific tasks, for example if I have to be very precise in my speech (preparing for an interview, or delivering bad news, etc...).

i don’t understand how it works if people don’t have an inner dialogue or monologue or whatever hahah i’m genuinely curious how do you think?

I mostly think in images that are pretty much imposible to describe verbally, but somehow the part of my brain which does the thinking knows what they mean.
I of course can recall previous conversations and hear the voices in my head too but that's more like remembering something, whereas thinking is something different to me.

 

[Sirena Oscura]

I've begun paying closer attention to how I'm thinking under new circumstances. I've had some insightful moments recently due to an illness that has nearly killed me.

I became sick in June with a fever for a week followed by uncontrollable vomiting for hours on end. During the wretching I tore a muscle in my diaphragm and found a new razor like pain from breathing. It caused me to pass out at first but eventually I just settled into wishing to die because I couldn't sleep, eat or even drink water.

The lucid nightmares where a new experience. Because I couldn't hold anything down I had to go off my regular edibles and only managed to vape some marijuana a few times so I detoxed at the same time.

Sitting in a lucid fever induced dream my entire visual was brightly coloured fleshy splashes that are moving like a churning vat. I tried to shift to a dream but it just got covered over by these moving splashes. So I selected just one and followed it to its source which was in my body. There were 8 separate pieces and each one was directly related to a part of my body. One at a time I held each part in mental focus until the pain and the coloured splash that was invading my dream subsided. Eventually I fell to sleep. I kept this practice daily for about a week and other then 17kg weight lose I'm back to normal.

I've had similar fever induced dreams where mostly everything appears as Chaos, this time it felt like if I didn't find a solution in the lucid dream I wasn't going to make it, lack of sleep with excess pain and nausea had me ready to welcome death, just to not continue in the condition I was. Fever induced dreams are never pleasant but I honestly found a way for my brain to answer my bodies demands vs seeking to placate the pain and other symptoms. I really didn't enjoy this sickness, however, I can now meditate successfully while in pain way beyond what I thought possible and I have a new way of thinking for dealing with sickness.

JC your resilience is phenomenal.

 

[Sirena Oscura]

Mine is sometimes pleasant and bright, but many times it is dark but never what I'd consider truly evil - any violence in these thoughts is reactionary because I was provoked in a serious manner. Just dark thoughts about adversaries, people denying me important things, losing things or health problems caused by someone else's actions or omissions, bullies, and killing/fucking them up when I fight back, bad power dynamics, taking adversaries to court, wanting to sue to living shit out of them until they are bankrupt, homeless and destitute, and even self-destruction and suicide, and of course, the most savage violence you could ever think of, even if it was provoked and I was at my wits end.

Trust me, it is not pleasant. I try not to think about these things, but they have a nasty tendency to creep into my mind.

Seeing a doctor about it probably won't help. I wouldn't even confide these thoughts to a counselor because I am afraid I'd intimidate them in some way.

This all stems to the way I was treated as a kid.

So, you might class these as “intrusive thoughts” if they’re unwelcomed for example. You definitely should not be afraid to tell a psychologist, they have a lot of tips for managing intrusive thoughts (also I’m getting a feeling you’ve been through some childhood trauma which is always best to work through with a psychologist anyway). Also something to consider... if these thoughts trouble you, or sicken you, or are generally something you wouldn’t do or morally agree with otherwise, it’s a good indication despite the frequency and intensity of the thought that you will probably never do it. On the other hand if someone had these thoughts and they DIDN’T trouble them, then they’re more likely to engage with those behaviours.

I would be fascinated to hear your history in the context of these thoughts...

 

[Sirena Oscura]

YES! Not always a monologue - sometimes a duologue or even involving multiple people, like long, detailed, imaginary conversations in my head - but usually a constant monologue. It is very much the reason I find it so hard to sleep without meds.

Is it actually normal then? Every doctor/psych I have described it to has to me it's a symptom of and schizophrenic in nature.

So, it’s a monologue when it’s considered YOUR voice and thoughts- even if you’re perceptually imagining them coming from someone else (like having an imaginary argument). If, however, the voices you hear you do not identify with as being coming from you, and especially if they have a “commanding” nature (telling you to do things) then it’s a hint more “hearing voices” schizophrenia-y.

I don’t know what to think of PDizz experiencing multiple things at once- I’ve experienced that exactly once (monologue over the top of music playing in my head) and thought I was going insane (I mean experiencing mild psychosis).

If it’s normal to have multiple streams at once overlapping then cool... but to me it felt more like psychosis.