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Do you find dissociatives addictive?

Do you find dissociatives addictive? (in general)

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 79.7%

  • No

    Votes: 16 20.3%
  • Total voters
    79
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I'm posting this mostly because I've seen some scattered reports of people claiming they were unable to control their ketamine use, while in my experience neither ketamine nor methoxetamine has much significant addictive potential attached.

Having just taken methoxetamine every day for the past five days, I feel no stronger urge to take more today than I do to drink soda or smoke weed or any other enjoyable activity.

It'd be helpful for those who respond to include a few details about their life, so that perhaps we might be able to find some sort of correlation that might predict whether someone would be susceptible to dissociative addiction, strange beast that it is. Particularly helpful would be how you responded to other drugs which demonstrate idiosyncratic response, especially MDMA and alcohol.

For my part, I'm a 19 year old male college student, six-two-and-a-half and about 170 pounds. I've tried almost every common street drug aside from heroin and methamphetamine but I've only ever regularly used cannabis, alcohol, and methylphenidate, and I wouldn't say I've ever been addicted to any of the preceding. I've not experienced any serious side effects from either MDMA or alcohol on any of the occasions I've used them.
 
I've often heard ketamine referred to as "psychedelic heroin".

Definitely addictive. Consider yourself lucky and don't push your luck
 
lately i've been using ketamine about once a week. i don't find it addictive because i cannot sleep for about 24 hours after using it, so that makes me think twice before taking it. i'm a former alcohol addict and i've never taken MDMA.
 
i think different people have different tendencies to different addictions

i tried ketamine a couple times but just found it very strange and just wanted it to end, preferring instead more traditional psychedelics

but one guy i know who would take almost anything did take too much on two occasions, he had quite a fondness for it (despite uncontrollably puking his guts said times; first time he was also on much LSD, second time he was on shrooms. wasnt good vibes man)

but i've never known someone who has clearly become addicted to it. how would you even functionally do normal things on ketamine? i have no idea

methoxetamine however you got the opiate twist which is likely to curb its addiction potential a fair bit...

also note the fact that you did take it for 5 days straight... you gotta objectively analyse yourself before you can work out whats good for you...
 
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im 24 and i first took ketamine 6 years ago but only became addicted (everyday use) after 4 years from the first time i took it.

At first the effects were too strong/ too weird to enjoy or even want to do on a regular basis, after a fair few years i started taking it more often sometimes twice a month as opposed to once in a blue moon.

Then it was every weekend and then I started picking it up in larger amounts and make it last ages then coz i had so much I started doing it every night until after a year of everyday use I had enough of feeling mentally handicapped.

I have always been depressed, lacking confidence, quite shy n reserved but ketamine just made me even more of an introvert and is an amazing escape from reality.
I've taken every street drug and every ROA but never been addicted to anything as much as K it provides the ultimate escape from reality. In the end I was IV'ing n IM'ng it where my nose/sinuses were so blocked I couldnt get the amount needed to get high up my nose.
 
I've written about this so many times, I can't be bothered to go through it all again. But I will say that I could easily walk away from MDMA or alcohol, but ketamine once had me right by the balls. And most everyone I knew.
 
I've used Ketamine for 7+ years and never had any serious trouble with it. What I found is that binging on recreational doses can lead to compulsive redosing, however, unlike purely-hedonistic drugs, Ketamine's unique, paradoxical, dual-action causes it to be self-moderating for me. Every time I decided to binge on it recreationally, I eventually run into a situation where I'm given a good beating by the drug to remind me not to be greedy, and I'd stop and take a break in which I work on integrating what I learnt while sober.

However, having had addiction problems with opiates for most of the last 7 years, I have pinned down a pattern. Now that I had been clean of opiates since Dec. 21st, I'm finding myself turning to K at times when I would have dosed on opiates. This seems to invoke addiction in a drug that, otherwise, has been anti-addictive for me. And when I overuse it for pain, ignoring the above-mentioned punishment for overusing, I become disoriented and paranoid.

I am contemplating trying to take Naltrexone with my K to see if it helps curb this issue...
 
yeah agreed I don't have many claims to fame, but I have taken way more than my fair share of ketamine, when compared with heroin which I have been addicted to twice, or even benzos, K seems trivial as far as addiction goes. Methoxetamine sounds a little nastier but I heard the opiate feel isn't that gnarly so probably not too dangerous. K however affected my thought processes almost as much as my LSD spree did. So K is deffinitely a drug to consider before diving into it.
 
yeah i tend to find most dissociatives addictive (alcohol is a dissociatives if im right?)

I once swopped some dmt 4 gbl once and 1st time i tried, was almost a replicar of my 1st e experience, after that i done it almost every day (lke a asspie) untril it did'nt effect me anymore, i do 4ml of gbl now, does hardly anything @ all

love ketamine 2, and would agree ''psychedlic heroin'' some of the dreamstates i have been on from it were very interesting....
 
^ alcohol's not a dissociative like K is.

Ketamine is easily addictive - I picked some up ONLY for the weekend, and already I've taken it every day, multiple times a day, for the past week. Thankfully I'm going to run out soon. Like others have said, K is the ultimate escape; the dissociative effects make it so that you truly can escape from one's self. However, in terms of addiction though, I don't find it anywhere near as addictive as MDMA, opiates or Alcohol. However, like alcohol, it seem like the type of drug that can "sneak" up on you, and before you know it you're addicted. Another problem with K is it's dirt cheap and easy to find nice quality.
 
I honestly don't like ketamine by itself all that much, I much prefer it while on MDMA.

With that said, K makes the mdma comedown so much better than without that I'd almost consider not wanting to roll again unless I had a couple bumps to mellow me out! :P
 
I find dissociatives to be quite bingy, nitrous oxide being the master of being bingy, probably mostly and especially because it lasts so short. With ketamine I find if I take it in non k-hole doses I keep wanting to redose a lot, usually sleeping much later then I normally would and ketamine binges typically are 4-8 hours for me. I never use more then once a week and I can go without for a month without any problems as well. I find it slightly less addictive then cannabis is for me, and slightly more then psychedelics. I've been using ketamine for over 2 years though and nitrous oxide even longer and even though I've used both regulairly for the whole time (atleast once a month, occasionally more often, upto once a week for ketamine at most, and 3 times a week at most for nitrous oxide).

I must add I'm quite a fan of dissociatives, I like them a lót. I like the physical effect, the effect on the thoughts, on the senses, how they feel, I like their taste (even ketamine's taste).. I just like pretty much everything about them except gaining tolerance, which I avoid, which is why I often wait up to two weeks in between doses. I find tolerance doesn't rise much at all with such amounts of doing it often.

To sum it up: Not really addictive, but quite bingy, it's always a sad moment to end the evening and know I'll let myself wait 7-14 days before going dissociative again, but its not hard at all to keep it under control, and since i'm dead-afraid of tolerance, I keep it under control rather well.
 
K-Dazed said:
^ alcohol's not a dissociative like K is.

Ketamine is easily addictive - I picked some up ONLY for the weekend, and already I've taken it every day, multiple times a day, for the past week. Thankfully I'm going to run out soon. Like others have said, K is the ultimate escape; the dissociative effects make it so that you truly can escape from one's self. However, in terms of addiction though, I don't find it anywhere near as addictive as MDMA, opiates or Alcohol. However, like alcohol, it seem like the type of drug that can "sneak" up on you, and before you know it you're addicted. Another problem with K is it's dirt cheap and easy to find nice quality.
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No, K doesn't sneak up on you. You know full well that you're getting addicted, but you just let it happen because you keep making ridiculous excuses for yourself.
 
I used to be much more bingy about nitrous; especially while on LSD, easily finishing a box of 50 whippits on my own (well we'd have 100 for 2 people, and run out somewhere half way the plateau of the LSD trip), in recent months that is gone, my friends still have it but I'm not too bothered anymore. Probably because nitrous wasn't fun for half a year after I really overdid it, and even though its fun again its not a bít of its charm.

I much prefer ketamine now, and I feel that as long as I'm a bit firm with myself considering my rules of personal usage, for example NEVER leaving less then 7 days in between two evenings of binginess. This is to prevent a high tolerance and has worked well for two years, so I'm not making any exceptions, also, atléast once a month skipping atleast one weekend, never failed at that either. At some point I'll skip 2 or 3 weekends, just to make sure I prevent tolerance. With this usage my brain functions fine, I have no memory problems, although the day right after usage my word memory can be a bit blurry but since that is úsually on sundays I don't mind too much, and my bladder appears to be fine; a gram always lasts me more then a month, even up to 3 months.

Even though I'd hate to imagen never having it anymore, I'd feel sadder if I'd have to give up my cats, or LSD, or my vocal chords, or music, but I'm not addicted to those things either, I just really like them, same goes for dissociatives.

I guess a good thing to do is telling yourself before hand how much is too much and give yourself a good reason too (like preventing tolerance for example, or preventing long term damage), and stick to it. If you're honest to yourself dissociatives aren't that addictive.
 
If you're unhappy and don't admit it, dextromethorphan will reinforce some really terrible escapism. I trust myself to be honest on myself with psychedelics and know when to draw a line. Not so with dissociatives.
 
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If you're unhappy and don't admit it, dextromethorphan will reinforce some really terrible escapism. I trust myself to be honest on myself with psychedelics and know when to draw a line. Not so with dissociatives.
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I think that if I didn't really enjoy doing a bunch of hard things (math, physics, programming, chemistry, surfing, parkour) that you simply can't do on ketamine, I'd find it more compelling. As it is I can't imagine being holed more than occasionally because I'd lose everything I enjoy. During my recent "experiment" I actually got kind of tired of the stuff, which is why I quit before I even got through half of it.
 
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