Hmm, a comparison between SD and tryptamines would only be on the surface, and even there I'd say only a trained eye and abstract mind of a psychonaut would see similarities. There is a powerful rush as with 5-MeO-DMT, and there is a dimension in SD land where one is not alone, like DMT. But that is where the similarities end.
Specific content of the knowledge of the future was centered around SD informing me that the partner I was with at the time, and myself, would basically not for all intensive purposes, not 'live happily ever after' as I saw it at the time, being back in 2000ish I had a different view of relationships and was still in love with my first love. And at the time, I had a lot of 'reasons' to think this SD was fucking with me, what did she know?
I even stopped using it because the news she would give me was so disconcerting at the time. Of course, it could easily have been hallucinations and fears of my subconscious mind causing all of this....but I am never one to dismiss information whether it comes from a drug induced hallucination...or an otherworldly entity accessed through a hyper-dimensional plant...same difference in the end.
A wonderful soul who I am so drawn too, seems to have a similar sexual relationship with DMT and other psychedelics as you do. That is strange.
I find all psychedelics sexual, but it has been in the primitive male-sort of way...you know these drugs are making me horny and it feels so good. In recent months that wonderful soul showed me new ways of experiencing sexuality and DMT, and I do have some understanding now where you, and her, and probably others are coming from. I simply must develop my sexual mind to rise above male sexuality (I want your genitals in my face) to the more sophisticated sexuality of (for example) holding the one you love in your arms as you blast them off with DMT, and get off on watching their soul travel hyperspace, and get off on watching the sheer bliss experienced, not to mention get off on how sexy they are as this happens.
Always trying to grow the MGS mind.
Never tried SD in tea or quid form but I have a feeling this is far more useful than smoking it.
That's very interesting about your salvia experience.... And I see what you mean about how it could have been the realization of subconscious fears, but even if it was just random association it still would be quite something.... If you don't mind my asking, was the information rather detailed or did it center around abstract concepts? I'm quite curious too... and once again, don't feel obligated to response to this... did you actually have some reservations about your relationship at the time? Like, even if you still wanted it to go well, I have to wonder, did you push the salvia away because you simply found the experience unpleasant or because it fed into some worries that you were already having? I'm intrigued because usually my salvia experiences are quite random, but my strongest one did definitely feed heavily off of my subconscious....
Hehe, you don't say?
"Sophisticated" sexuality, eh.... I guess that's one way of looking at it, haha. Psychedelic sexuality is the only one I ever knew for most of my life.... I didn't become interested in the genitals in your face kind until a couple years ago, and even then it was mostly because I started learning about things like kundalini awakenings and subspace. The point that you talk about being at - holding your love while you blast them of and all that - is where I am now, but it took a lot of maturing to reach that point.... I'm also mostly on the submissive side myself, while you sound to be on the dominant end. It's interesting to hear your perspective on it. Though, that's not to say that I don't enjoy getting people to that point too, it's just more of a "share the love" thing for me. X3
Recent outside opinions, perhaps of a similar origin, have also made me start rethinking DMT lately, though I do mean specifically DMT as opposed to psychedelics in general.... The description I gave of my perception of it before is unfortunately based on limited experience, including zero breakthroughs, and I'm starting to think that it may go from just being the body feeling and intensity to a context thing too.... Probably not more than LSD for me though, it's hard to imagine that hehe. Though DMT does of course have the advantage of immediate strong dosing; you can't really do the same kind of thing like you described nearly as well with LSD....
About the comparison between the effects of salvia and the tryptamines, the trips themselves may be quite different but I'm sure I would find similarities if they both feel sexual to me. I won't say anything until I've had a breakthrough on both salvia and DMT though... and I can't really say anything about 5-MeO-DMT at all; I once tried a very small amount of it mixed into a sub-breakthrough dose of DMT, and that's it. But I noticed
definite similarities between my strongest salvia trip and my strongest LSD trip, extremely blatant ones, and I'm not someone who compares hallucinogens easily, even within the same class. However, I have suspicions that this may not have been due to LSD's serotonin agonism....
I haven't had a really good experience last times I tried it, maybe something like five years ago.
Back when I still did dextromethorphan, I had my best experiences doing salvia on the DXM afterglow. Much easier to hold in with the coughing reflex suppressed, and with significantly less dysphoria.
I wonder how it would combine with MXE. I have to feel called, though. Salvia isn't something I would do casually anymore.
That makes a lot of sense. I've heard dissociatives claimed to remove fear and dysphoria from tons of things, including DMT breakthroughs and deliriants, respectively.
I smoked salvia on DXM once, a second plateau dose, but I don't really remember anything about it other than one very odd blue and black visual of a lady and the top of a moon.... It was one of those weird confusing trips that didn't amount to much though, but I do remember that it wasn't as "trapped" feeling as others.
I've heard of salvia combined with MXE providing some pretty crazy trips before. Same with ketamine. I would certainly like to try the latter....
I would do my fist full breakthrough hit then a little more then half would take me back when I just came out. So if the fist hit was 20mgs then 12-14mgs would let me back in again. I would set it all up so I could just lean over put another bump in the pipe and go back.
I had some cool insights but after a while I just did feel good anymore, not that it ever felt that great but it got to where I was just like “why the hell did I do this again...?”
Salvia is defiantly a very interesting substance I am glad I got sometime to study it, even the history is obscure and mysterious.
Gotcha, gotcha. That definitely does sound kind of like what I did.... Good to know.
That's the way I started feeling about diphenhydramine lol. It was fun at first... then it just got tiring. And that didn't have the advantage of being obscure and mysterious. >w<
Wandering Girl, I take a handful of dried Salvia leaves, put them in 1-2 cups of water and simmer, covered for about 15 minutes. Strain it, and if you want, add a peppermint tea bag. Sip it *slowly*. Hold the liquid in your mouth, letting it pass over your gums each time before swallowing. Let it linger in the back of your throat, too. Done this way, it can be extremely powerful. I have a report here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/670417-Salvia-Tea-Experienced-Smooth-Subtle-and-Powerful
I think maybe Salvinorin B is orally active?
The experience lasts for about an hour, but there are aftereffects (like a very peaceful afterglow) that can last for several hours afterwards. I recommend abstaining from food for at least 4 hours after drinking the tea.
Huh, that's a pretty cool method... I never thought to do anything like that. Thanks for that!
What makes you think it's salvinorin B? It certainly sounds like you've got enough going on to call it buccal administration. Not that I'm denying that possibility either... but as far as I'm aware, salvinorin B hasn't been shown to have any activity in general.
I only enjoyed salvia when I was coming down from a night of rolling. It was amazing in that mindset and no matter how speedy the pills, I would trip and then come down and pass out to sleep.
It was far too confusing and quite frankly downright scary any other time. I have never NEEDED a trip sitter before but with salvia, I had multiple friends TRY to hold me down and I threw all of them off of me. I almost destroyed 1500 dollars of DJ equipment thrashing about on that instance. I never touched the stuff again after that.
That's interesting.... A friend of mine smoked salvia for the first time after coming back from a club while still going pretty hard on some Vyvanse. Immediately after the trip he passed out. We were all shocked. X)
I've always wanted to try mixing salvia with MDMA; after the roll sounds especially promising. I used to smoke weed like crazy in that time to bring out the trippiness, and even around the time weed alone had started making me anxious I always felt totally fine at that point too. Did you find much of a difference in the quality of the trip aside from the mindset?
That sounds intense though! O.O Good thing you didn't, that would have really sucked.... Yeah, I used to always smoke it without a sitter unless it was in a group setting, but I doubt I would anymore lol.
I didn't hate it but it's not something I ever crave.
It's always a wild experience but not necessarily enjoyable
I never crave it until I'm already smoking it haha.... I avoid it like the plague until after that first hit, and then it becomes fiendish. >.>
I still haven't tried my idea to boil a quantity of salvia extract in propylene glycol and plug the solution (made a thread months ago). This appears to be a good thread to find a guinea pig. Salvinorin A is reported in the literature as being soluble in propylene glycol, and you can get a bottle of that over the internet easily. Take a 1/8th teaspoon metal measuring cup, fill it with salvia extract and propylene glycol, sit it on your oven burner until it boils, and draw the result up into a needless syringe. Then stick that up your butt and tell me what happens. It has the potential to be far more absorptive than buccal administration, more along the lines of what I imagine pure salvinorin A would be like if intramuscularly injected (something between the insanity of smoking and the more relaxed experience of chewing). Thanks if you try it.
I would totally try this... if it was still legal here.
All I've got left is what I had before the ban, which isn't much.... I'd sure be interested in hearing about someone attempting it though.
I've enjoyed the weirdness of Salvia the few times I've smoked it. I've never had such a crazy experience where I didn't know I was tripping and I thought I was in another universe/life. All of my experiences have been very tactile and visual. The one consistent feeling in each of my salvia trips was the feeling that I was being folded over myself. Like I was being bent over a cylinder of some sort. I thought this was cool and interesting. I remember the first time I did Salvia with a bunch of friends in my basement literally like a few seconds after I exhaled I felt like I was "leaving" them and going somewhere else. I actually spoke the words, "Alright guys I'm going now I'll see you later!" not trying to be funny or whatever... I actually believed it lol.
So yeah, Salvia has been fun for me but that's probably because I've never completely left this reality while under the influence of it... not to say I wouldn't enjoy that too!
Hahaha, that's pretty funny. X) Sounds like a cool experience too.... I've never really gotten any of the folding stuff that people talk about from salvia, though I definitely do get the spinning. Did you have any idea where you felt like you were going? Lol.
I smoked last two nights, but I respect Salvia so much that I don't want to make a habit out of it. I do Salvia when I miss it.
I personally enjoy seeing people that don't like Salvia. Salvia doesn't make friends easily and sometimes starts agressive fights with close friends to see who wants to keep the friendship going.
Interesting view.... I might feel more that way if it wasn't a completely unique drug. I feel like everyone should be able to enjoy it.
That's kind of how I do salvia, but mostly for lack of product. I'd probably binge on it for a while if I had a chance. <.< Though I'd probably reach that point eventually anyway....
Has anybody experienced the reverse tolerance of salvia?
One of my friends said the best experience he had with it was with plain leaf, and smoking it night after night until he was able to get noticeable effects without an extract
I have. It took me a couple years to get anything out of it, and it very slowly built up while I very slowly used weaker extracts.
this thread has inspired me to order some salvia, kind of surprising it took me this long to find someone talking about positives of salvia lol
Hehe, well good luck with it! :D It's just something that not everyone likes, like DXM but even more so.... I've definitely found groups of people who enjoy it before, though.
If you can smoke DMT it's a better experience than salvia IMO. Salvia is like a little DMT a smaller offering of something similar but not the same, not even those stupid 50 x concentrates (or whatever stupid levels of extraction) and shit are on par with a good blast of smoked DMT.
A lot of people like DMT more than salvia for sure, but I don't think I would ever say that either one could fully substitute for the other. I wouldn't even say that for two serotonergic psychedelics. DMT is cool, but... it's still a psychedelic, even if a crazy powerful one. Salvia is truly a unique experience. In any case, I don't see having access to DMT as any reason to not use salvia still. Why not use both?
if i had to make the choice between
salvia or a trephination to get rid of my demons.
I'd take the bore hole to the skull.
I can't say the same lol. Ermm, I'll always take the super harmless and super short drug experience, thank you very much....
