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do you consider the love experience on mdma to be real

sapphiremoon

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just wondering what experience people have with mdmas ability to produce feelings of love. i know ecstasy is unique and it is an entactogen. i feel mdma was priceless in my personal development because i first took it when i was 18 and i feel like it made me understand love on a deep level i was able to love myself more. i noticed different people like the different effects more then others. it seems to me peoples emotional sensitivity affects the entactogenic experience. i really feel like people can learn from the mdmas empathy and entactogenic effect. just wondering if it has helped peoples relationships or if you just want to share something about the entactogenic high thats fine too. i am just reflecting i guess because i miss rolling and the friends i used to roll with. i used to be an opiate addict and my addiction is coming back but maybe i should go back to rolling i dont know. sorry if i am rambling
 
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Not to get all existential, but "real" is so... relative.

It might be better to ask... was it impactful? Was it a positive and beneficial experience? Did I learn and grow from it?

MDMA has therapeutic value in opening up one's heart and increasing empathy for others. I'm pretty sure (but don't quote me on this) that some therapists around the world have recommended social policy changes to allow MDMA to be used in a more clinical setting for such an end.

As this world is ultimately all a projection coming from you, MDMA stimulates your body to generate an experience. I don't think the drug itself is the totality of the experience.
 
F1n1shed said:
I'm gonna keep it short and simple, its totally real AT the moment.
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That's what it does for me. It *forces* me to be in the now, like with meditation but alot easier. It's a feeling, you have to feel it. Don't think about it !
 
When your waiting a long time between doses, and taking like 90mg-100mg that 'love' you are feeling is even more real feeling as its more of a natural than a chemical experience.

I think it's real, it just unlocks part of you...

However that gurning guy whos took a gram of mdma that night? thats not love thats just a gurning mess lol
 
I think the love is real, mdma just gives you the ability to freely express your emotions without reservation. When you aren't rolling most likely the emotions would stay locked inside of your brain and you'd constantly questions your feelings.
 
I think its as real as it gets. Definately more real than the everyday life.

Whenever i have some issue/problem im dealing with (usually relations with other people), i try to think of HOW i would think of that problem under mdma. If i cant relate to the experience at all, i will go for some running or something, or a ride, or a walk into the nature which usually brings me a bit closer to the mdma experience than everyday life
 
I think the emotions you experience while on MDMA are as valid as any others. I feel like that to question their validity is to question the validity of any emotion. When you are in love with some one is that real? Being in love is neurochemically very similar to being on MDMA. Release of neurotransmitters dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine and the hormone oxytocin. So I don't see a distinction really. They are both just neurochemical states but of differing intensity.

It's like overclocking the love in your brain. I think that's why we see this common theme that people can solve problems and issues more effectively on it. We are viewing it through an intense lens of love that overpowers our other patterns of thinking. I'm normally very analytical of my actions and thoughts, which cause a lot of doubt and second guessing. On MDMA it seems my ability to deal with social or emotional situations is amazingly intuitive. My decisions come about out of the spirit of love without the entanglements of other modes of thought.
 
yeah if it can be reciprocated by someone else experiencing the same thing you are. i think western society doesnt really allow for mdma. what i mean by this is, you open up to people (particularly men) and aside from being at a rave/festival, chilling round someones gaff, people just dont accept it. the emotional side of it is quite feminine it has to be said, whic haint a bad thing but kind of restricted in some ways.
 
Darksidesam said:
When your waiting a long time between doses, and taking like 90mg-100mg that 'love' you are feeling is even more real feeling as its more of a natural than a chemical experience.

I think it's real, it just unlocks part of you...

However that gurning guy whos took a gram of mdma that night? thats not love thats just a gurning mess lol
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^ This. If you save up enough serotonin without crushing it week after week with chemicals forcing it out, it will be very real. It's just a temporary overload of the chemicals you'd normally get when you feel good so I don't see chemically and literally how you could define it as less real so to speak.

I'm much more suited to psychedelics which is actually better for ecstasy usage in my opinion because I tend not to do it very often but when I do I do it with the people I love around me in a chilled out setting and at a reasonable dose, and as Sam said it seems even more real. For me personally it brings up all the positive thoughts and feelings I would be be having day to day but have been too shy to discuss or whatever, and then I just pour it out to people and really dicuss what they truly mean to me, and vice versa, straight up. Doing this has strengthened many a friendship and my current relationship.

So long story short, I don't think it's necessarily 'real' love if you abuse MDMA as certain people do, because if you do it enough there just won't be anything left.
It's funny some people I've known don't even get loved up when they take MDMA, but rather just not grumpy and short fused.

I'm not having a go at anyone, do what you want I don't judge, but I am just saying in regards to OP's question that I think what you experience on MDMA and whether it's 'real' love or not is actually highly dependent on whether you're abusing or not. (Just my opinion, I'm definitely no scientist)
 
its very real, i made some amazing friends while rolling. for example at one show i met this couple, a year later i was at their wedding. another show, i met these guys, they gave me a ride home and we still hang and go to shows to this day. its hard to understand how "real" the love was when youre drained for about a week but after that week contact any new friends you made and see if that instant connection can go somewhere
 
No offense taken, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Perhaps I just feel all emotional connections are temporary. I understand your sentiments but I believe you're underestimating the power of evolutionary biology. I can't choose to love any one. I can respect every one as a human being though. On MDMA I don't choose to love every one but I do because of my neurochemical state. So I stand by my analogy; to question the feelings of MDMA is to question all emotional experience. Can you have a fake emotion? It makes no sense to me. When your neurochemical state changes the feelings may not persist but they were genuine in the moment.
 
As i said it is totally real at the moment, but try feeling that way a few days later you can't right? Like you pour out all these conversations and close feelings with friends or loved ones but those all leave as you come down. Maybe not with your loved ones but with your friends, your not as connected anymore and back to your normal self with a social barrier around you. So the experience is real at the moment, your feeling what your feeling and that is real life. Even if it is chemically induced, but these are not really long term feelings. Or they aren't as strong in the long term rather.
 
It's a supplement for actual love if used correctly. It's an experience that people go through together, and the end of it come out with stronger bonds. Is it a magic solution for falling in love with someone? No. Do people fall in love at raves under the influence? No, it's just a bunch of in-the-moment euphoria. But it does have the potential to take people already in love and expose themselves to each other in novel ways, which in turn allows them to better love each other across a broader emotional/intimate spectrum.

I think that there is a little more to MDMA being something that dissolves notions of hate, though. I think it would be much harder for a lot of the bad people in the world to continue doing what they do if given a regular MDMA experience. In the absence of anywhere near as much hate, a person would have the ability to focus a lot more attention on learning to love. Therefore, indirectly I'd say that the MDMA-love with worthwhile by way of it reducing the amount of energy put into hate and misery.
 
Bit of both. It's hard to understand that on a chemical level you're the happiest you're ever likely to be. But it's a different kind of love/happiness. I'm always saying "I'VE MISSED THIS FEELING".
 
StrutterGear said:
Bit of both. It's hard to understand that on a chemical level you're the happiest you're ever likely to be. But it's a different kind of love/happiness. I'm always saying "I'VE MISSED THIS FEELING".
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It's the happiness of being which has no opposite (aka no duality).
As opposed to the happiness of "i got that job,girlfriend etc" which has an alternative (aka sadness when you lose em or whatever)

At least i think so
 
LilbabiC said:
I think the love is real, mdma just gives you the ability to freely express your emotions without reservation. When you aren't rolling most likely the emotions would stay locked inside of your brain and you'd constantly questions your feelings.
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I don't agree... I was at a dubstep rave last week and yeh just rolling comming up, then I met that chick and usually one of the first things I do with females is ask them for a hug, cause you know the feeling is just incredible. Well, then with all the emphaty it just went on, gave her my strapback cause she liked it lol and then I lost her I had to lay down the comeup was getting to intense, anyways lost her danced my ass off beside a drunk dude, she found me back, lap danced me and stuff. Then it ended, exchanged numbers I was still rolling... then when I go out it's like 3:30am it's cold and I'm obviously comming down, it got really awkward cause I never felt real love towards her... it was all the emphaty from the drug and living in the moment you know what I mean, so yeh I don't believe it's real love you are just way more clingy and express your emotions freely verbaly and physycally, it's more like False love and affection to me.

I believe it's very complex, it's not love, it's just the strong emphaty from the drug that might make you think it's love. I really hate it when sober girls fall for me when im high because I just know it won't work out when I fully comedown.
 
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All b.s. aside, its a feeling produced by a chemical synthesised by humans. What it does to you is make you feel in love, it controls serotonin dopamine and the other thing which are the 3 hormones thats responsible for th chemical reaction of love. Even if you were to drink it in a gutter you would enjoy it, but usualy would you love a gutter and think its the best gutter around? No.
 
Well I saw rrcently they did brain scans on ppl rollinh
It doesn't forse positive thought it blocks negative ones
And that makes room for posative ones
Maybe you would live everyone with the parts of your brain that make you be you shut down
 
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