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Do you believe in karma for cheating exes, players, homewreckers, etc.

ITT: People from the West who appropriate other cultural traditions while still having no idea what the word "karma" actually signifies.
 
^go ride your high horse somewhere else. this is an SLR topic, not philosophy & spirituality
 
rant*N*rave said:
This. People that are assholes will eventually get treated like assholes, regardless of any cosmic forces.

And besides, I've gotten the short end of the stick enough times already that if I thought about it too much I'd go (even more) crazy.
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Pretty much describes my thoughts to. On a long enough time course good people will only put up with so much bullshit from people before they write them out of their lives.

I'd like to believe in relationship karma but if it does exist than I must have done something terrible to merit my shitty track record, ha. Doing right doesn't always lead to finding a stable happy relationship, but it helps in at least meeting the types of people are capable of these relationships.
 
I don't believe any sort of mystical happenings provided by a kind of greater power but I do believe in a universal balance of sorts. It might sound a little unusual and borderline spiritual but I think there might be a certain amount of negative energy in this world and it sort of evens itself out, if that makes sense. So, I don't believe that there's some kind of higher power pointing at certain people saying, "You deserve this," or "You deserve that," but yeah, I really do think there might be a consistent amount of negative energy going around and it sticks with those who welcome it by committing vile acts such as cheating.

Well, I don't believe this is 100%, but it's probably the closest thing to "karma" I can believe in [kinda].
 
Warning: Long, drawn out vent/rant; a therapy session long overdue so to speak.

I think I lean more towards you two in the way that I don't think karma works in either direction (for better or for worse, if that makes sense). I've seen good people get so fucked over when they've done nothing to deserve the pain and suffering they experience and I've seen wretched people make away with all the happiness in the world =/

I'm trying to decide if my ex has paid his "karmic debt" these days (well, when I think of him once in a while; as time passes I think of him less and less). He and I dated for two years; fought on and off like banshies. We were actually at a somewhat peaceful point when I took in my best friend after she got kicked out of her house. They then got a job at the same place and started spending time together which lead to them moving out and her getting knocked up, and within six weeks she was hitting him and breaking his things. He came crawling back to me before he knew she was pregnant and like the idiot I was, I took him back. We were together for no more than a week when he got a phone call saying, "I'm pregnant." It's not even a full guarantee that it's his considering the fact that she cheated on him about two weeks into things--and he knows full well about that--but they both seem to think it's his baby. The baby is almost a year old now and last I heard, they had moved back in together but fought like crazy. They seem to have an extremely volatile relationship and that's somewhat of a pattern I've come to notice from him. It was as if he got bored when things got good, so at the two year mark--just when things were getting peaceful between us--he ran off.

It's needless to say the two of them did some pretty horrible, fucked up things. On top of that, they both tried to play it off as they were just house mates for the first few weeks as if I was some sort of idiot and didn't realize that they were fucking. He confessed to me that they had indeed slept with one another but that it would never happen again. Of course it happened again, a lot :P I can only hope that they've grown up A LOT (they're 26 and 21 years old) since all of this happened a year and a half ago. From what I've heard, they're lucky her parents can help out financially despite her father's business going down the drain. If it wasn't for her family, that baby wouldn't have anything it needs as they both work serving jobs at mediocre restaurants which pay jack crap, definitely not enough to properly support a child IMO.

Look at me, venting about this. I've done it several times here at BL. Truthfully it feels good to get this off my chest because I rarely speak of what happened with him and you guys are the only people I wanna confide in about this. I am so embarrassed I even think about him still, let alone dated him for two years!

ANYWAY, back on topic: I do wonder if he has paid his "karmic debt" fully and I'm curious to know whether or not they're actually happy. I could rest in peace knowing the two of them are incredibly disappointed with life but I do wish the best for their poor, poor baby.

I don't think "karma" could even things out unless it absolutely destroys his life at some point though. He ruined me financially and emotionally (he didn't work a good portion of our time together and I always paid the rent, gas, groceries, etc., driving me into 3k of debt which I have only recently paid off), and it's only been as of late that I've been able to discuss this with ease. I mean I'm still a bit angry even a year and a half after the fact because damn, my best friend and my lover pulled a Jerry Springer on me and fucked me the fuck over! I don't know what could possibly equal this in his life, so I doubt he'll ever experience the pain I've felt unless something truly, truly awful happens to him.

Damn, that felt good. I do believe I've made off pretty well, however. In a very interesting way I am so lucky that he did this to me because I never would've gotten to where I am now otherwise. For starters I met a man who is actually worth my love (and I'm finally at a point where I can say I'm a damn fine catch :P), extremely intelligent and driven, educated, handsome... the list goes on... and we're planning on getting married some time within the next two years (either before or after we move to D.C. in a year). He's a hell of a man and a damn fine Marine officer, and he's taken me places and allowed me to do things I never would've done otherwise. He drives me to be a better person whereas my ex made me wanna consume all the drugs in the world (and I did!) and constantly told me I was a horrible person. On top of this man of my dreams, I'm almost done with school after taking a few years off (I dropped out per the ex's request because he got jealous of me being off at university; how stupid!) AND all of my familial problems are sorted out as my family finally trusts me again after years of lying, drugs, and all around wretchedness on my part.

For the first time in a long time I find myself actually bragging about where I am, who I'm with, and where I'm going =) So, maybe "karma" does exist in my case. After years of getting shit on and being dreadfully screwed over by the two most trusted people in my life and subsequently living out an actual Jerry Springer episode, I learned many a valuable lesson and as a result have become the person I am today: a balanced, healthy, happy person =)

Karma is a nice idea though =)
 
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greenfalcon said:
On the surface though it looks like she has been rewarded for what she did, and I am supposed to learn some lesson or something but fucked if I know what it is
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OUCH! Sorry but I had to laugh at that simply because I can relate to it! Fuck the lessons man, wouldn't it be nice to just be livin' the high life!
 
UNH, no worries about the rant. I'm indirectly ranting/venting and generally trying to get over my current depression by asking questions I really wonder but trying to work out my own personal issues at the same time. :) I figure I'm not being too narcissistic if I post my issues in the form of a question and ask others for their stories. lol

It's gotten to the point where my kratom tea that ALWAYS lifted my spirits isn't working, but for some reason, posting here and reading others' stories calms me.

It's really fucked up what you're BF/friend did. I see you asked them about it? Did you have a feeling something was going on at all? Or did you walk in on something? I always felt women's intuition is amazingly accurate, even when we don't listen to that little voice. When I found out I was cheated on, I knew months before, but I didn't want to assume anything that I couldn't prove other than "I have a feeling something is going on." I asked the guy and he flat out denied it. Funny thing, is even after having a massive blowout with my "friend," she denied everything through it all even though he admitted to it. Even after months of being pissed, she denied it and I never knew why since that whole thing was opened and public. Weird.
 
Really? I'd think the opposite is true. There is no karma in this, as Matsuo said, misconstrued sense. You may feel that there is some 'karmic justice' when comes to relationships. However, it's just recognizing patterns that you usually bring upon yourself. Some people can get away with anything and walk through life smelling like roses, some make honest mistakes and pay for it. The only thing you can do is improve yourself and move on with your own life.
 
The thing is I don't envision karma as anything more than the patterns that you are talking about.

If I use "UserNameHere's" example it definitely seem like the person who fucked her over is currently living a miserable shotgun wedding style life, which seems perfect justice for the situation at hand. I don't see how that's not apparent.
As I said earlier I definitely DON'T believe in the supernatural but what goes around comes around in subtle ways. Any sort of activity affects you on a day to day level and then comes across in your exchanges between the people of your world, thus bringing about certain outcomes.
 
I mean patterns as in the repeating and reoccurring thoughts and actions of each person. Not some all-connecting life pattern. There is no external force giving anyone their comeuppance. You either become a better person and surround yourself with better people and it reduces your odds of ending up with someone who is bad for you, or you keep doing the same thing over and over again with the same types of people and always wonder why all this bad stuff keeps happening to you. And becoming a better person only goes so far. Life is random. As I said, you can make an honest mistake and it leads to the next and so on and you can have a rough go of things. Or you can be a completely horrible person and land on your feet every time.

Life is indifferent to all this nonsense.
 
karma, as i have understood it, is just western people romanticizing a portion of eastern superstitious beliefs .
there are people who consistently treat others with contempt and continue to do so for the entirety of their lives . they profit from this and don't wind up in the jackpot.

of course there are entirely altruistic folks who do well by others and also don't wind up in ruins .

superstition is a waste of rational thought . life long psychopaths live to ripe old age and (for them) live a good life .
 
I don't believe in most people's idea of karma; the thought that if one does something "wrong" it comes back to them. That would be impossible within my world view because I do not believe the concepts of "right" and "wrong" exist anywhere other than in the minds of individuals. I do believe in God, but I believe that God is a vibration, the universal vibration of love. So I believe that things "of god" are loving things, but I don't believe God "judges" in the sense that a human mind would.

What I do believe in, is the law of attraction. And that the law of attraction can in itself, act out a sort of karma on people, IF the person has some guilty complex over something they have done. Example: Someone cheats on their partner, and even if not on the surface, somewhere deep down inside they have some guilt about it. Maybe subconsciously they believe they do not deserve love and therefore sabotage themselves whenever they get it, and once they sabotage (cheating) they further feed that negative complex. If you follow the law of attraction, then you believe the concept of like attracts like.

So, guilty complex of the cheater = lowered vibrational state = attracts some sort of negativity back upon the cheater. They get their "karma" as some might view it.

But I believe this "karma" can absolutely be avoided... most of us have seen people who truly don't give a shit about anything and float through life with seemingly NO consequences for their crazy selfish actions... There are people out there who could murder a baby and eat an ice cream float right after like it never happened, but it would be hard to do such a thing without any lowered vibrations, even for a sociopath and even just subconsciously. We are generally loving beings on some level and hurting others doesn't feel good, even if it does on the surface. So it would be hard for one to go through their entire life without their negativity attracting SOME negativity back on themselves, ever. But plenty can escape it for awhile, simply by not caring or being happy go lucky about whatever they happen to be doing.

That is how it works within my spirituality and world view. But as with all things, life is far too be complicated to be summed up like that and there are always other factors at play to determine what happens in our lives. I personally believe it is some strange impossible to fathom combination of fate and what we attract. Or perhaps we are fated to attract what we attract. I don't know. :)
 
Fawkes said:
i think if you would have asked me a few years ago, i'd probably say i definitely believed in karma, but these days, i find that rarely do people get what they deserve... and even more telling - good, innocent people are victimized too often.
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This.
 
People will get their comeuppance eventually.

You probably wont find out about it directly or until a long time after it happens, if you do, which doesn't do you any immediate good or offer much reassurance in terms of picking up the pieces and moving on with your life. for some people, their karma is the lifestyle they lead and the destructive forces they grapple with on a daily basis....i.e., their total & utter inability to be at peace with themselves, in this life, for as long as they go on living.

Even still, ultimately....surely as the setting sun, I feel.... every dog will have its day.
 
My own understanding of karma relates directly to your own awareness of your actions, how they effect others and the choice you make to take this into consideration or not.

If your aware of your actions and the effect they will have.. whether positive or negative yet ignore it, then your lying to yourself, and convincing yourself that what your doing is justified despite your own understanding of what your doing.
 
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I would say this is one of the most ridiculous things people can believe in - BUT, I totally understand where the question comes from - we're ALL looking for answers. I went back and forth with the karma thing for a long time (an old die hard hippie) and I finally had to come to the conclusion that karma is just a nice term, wishful thinking as it were. I know people who've gained greatly at others expense (including mine) and only good things happen to them. And others, who I'd term as nearly saintly, who always seem to get the short end of the stick.

It's not a matter of them "getting what they deserve" in the end. revenge is a dish best unserved, it only makes you feel worse. What I mean is, there is no "in the end". life is what it is. What you and I make it. and some people don't make it very pleasant. But that's not you. You are you.
 
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