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Do you believe a Heroin habbit would be a problem if it was fully legal?

Cali just made personal use amount possession of heroin, cocaine, and meth into misdemeanors, not felonies. The LA DA is transferring these cases to the city attorney's office, where traffic and zoning violations are handled. The new law is effective immediately and is retroactive. At least something good happened in the midterm elections.

I don't think it should be freely sold legally like recreational pot. It's too damn good, and people would get totally out of hand with it. Look at how people went for oxys. IV heroin is the ultimate for me, but after a while it just turns you into a lizard.
 
I used to volunteer at in site Vancouver here and there before moving and it really is a great resource for addicts. Addicts come in who were going to shoot up in their genitals but with help from a professional they find new veins they never knew they had. Clean gear and a sterile spot to shoot up without people discriminating against you what more can an addict want. Well besides free drugs;)
 
How so? Once you minimize harm by ensuring a clean dope supply and using proper clean rigs, heroin isn't that bad on the body.

It's really not that simple.
There are plenty of dangerous complications to IV use; some of which occur even in clinical settings.
Also, heroin/ opiate addicts have suppressed immune systems. This may be small-fry compared to hepatoxic/neurotoxic alcohol and other drugs of addiction, but it is misleading IMO to say it's harmless.
Harm can be minimalised, sure - but not completely eliminated.

It seems like many replies here are focussing on drug prohibition as being the only issue - but legal or not, heroin addiction in any sense generally proves to be 'a problem' sooner or later.
Obviously the 'drug war' increases the risk, harm and danger of heroin addiction - but that is not to say that heroin is harmless and creates no physical or mental health problems.

Having been addicted to (mostly) legally obtained opiates for a period of 8+ years, I can say this with confidence and from personal experience.
There are many extreme perspectives on this issue, but i think the reality is somewhere in between the "death drug" horror menace tales and the "heroin is completely benign" camps.
 
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It's really not that simple.
There are plenty of dangerous complications to IV use; some of which occur even in clinical settings.
Also, heroin/ opiate addicts have suppressed immune systems. This may be small-fry compared to hepatoxic/neurotoxic alcohol and other drugs of addiction, but it is misleading IMO to say it's harmless.
Harm can be minimalised, sure - but not completely eliminated.

It seems like many replies here are focussing on drug prohibition as being the only issue - but legal or not, heroin addiction in any sense generally proves to be 'a problem' sooner or later.
Obviously the 'drug war' increases the risk, harm and danger of heroin addiction - but that is not to say that heroin is harmless and creates no physical or mental health problems.

Having been addicted to (mostly) legally obtained opiates for a period of 8+ years, I can say this with confidence and from personal experience.
There are many extreme perspectives on this issue, but i think the reality is somewhere in between the "death drug" horror menace tales and the "heroin is completely benign" camps.

This program is for those who are hopeless and don´t have a chance.
It´s not like any junkie can simply go there to have a free fix. It does not work like that. It´s selective.
And I bet you wouldn´t want to be that person that has to inject in their genitals with a help from a stranger.
Indeed not for everyone. Or else, that wouldn´t be what it is now.
 
methadone can get you very high, whoever says anything different is misinformed or lying..the first few weeks on methadone i was high and nodding every day...

ive always wondered what would happen if heroin was legal and cheap and readily available at every pharmacy OTC..a gram of pure pharma heroin in europe goes for $10, a gram of cut dope in the Usa ranges from $80-200...pretend addicts in the usa could buy heroin for $10/gram...despite what others have said, heroin tolerance doesnt just keep rising until it hits the sun, meaning no one would develop tolerances where they need 30 grams in a day...from the research i have read many heroin addicts tolerance peaks out at around 3 grams a day...so, and most addicts i knew were middle-upper class people, they could now affor to buy the drug and they would have to worry about when to meet their dealer, getting arrested etc etc..would there still be overdoses, sure but no stopping that...a heroin addicts life would be much more functional if the drug were legal, no doubt about it imo..

now heres the biggest thing id wonder about, what quality of life would the legalized heroin addicts life be like?i know what its like to be addicted to illegal heroin, you basically base your entire life around getting and taking the drug..you then sit in a room, shoot up and nod off, rinse and repeat..their life is lived in a content bubble...the main reason they stop is because they are arrested with it or go broke and start stealing but this wouldnt happen with heroin if it were legal...im not sure how many people would even bother trying to kick heroin if they could still afford it...but again, their life would be paralyzed in a way..i mean, theyd spend a lot of time just shooting heroin and sitting around, is that what life is about?this is a question thats impossible to answer..
 
as far as those safe injection sites i vancouver go, sure its cheaper or (free?) heroin and you can get assisted by nurses but the problem is, you would have to vistit that place 3 times a day for your heroin fix..your life would still revolve around the needle..i thought it used to suck going to the methadone clinic once a day, i cant imagine having to to go to a clinic 3 times daily..

does anyone on here honestly know of any wealthy heroin addicts that have been on it long term?what are their lives like since they can afford it?
 
This program is for those who are hopeless and don´t have a chance.
It´s not like any junkie can simply go there to have a free fix. It does not work like that. It´s selective.
And I bet you wouldn´t want to be that person that has to inject in their genitals with a help from a stranger.
Indeed not for everyone. Or else, that wouldn´t be what it is now.
I'm not sure why you quoted my post as I wasn't referring to safe injecting rooms at all; I was responding to the many replies to the OP that seem to be emphasising the increases in harm associated with heroin addiction under drug prohibition (which I think most bluelighters are already well aware of) without necessarily acknowledging the potential for harm that exists for heroin users regardless of the legal situation.

This is not to deny the escalation of harm that has resulted from prohibition, but simply to answer the OP's question.

For the record I'm very much in favour of supervised injecting centres where where a there need for such facilities. I think society should provide help for people in such seriously addicted states (not punish them) - but it is somewhat beside the point - I do think heroin is harmful irrespective of it's legal status.

It would be a lot safer if pharmaceutical grade diamorphine could be supplied to addicts in safe, clean circumstances and administered in the safest, most informed fashion (if injected, done so with sterile, single use medical supplies, and preferably by someone with at least some level harm reduction knowledge, if not medical training).

Even if all of these steps are implemented, risks are still present. That's all I'm trying to say.
Not downplaying the efforts of those who campaign for, manage and assist in various programs to decrease the harms experienced by street drug users, because we need to do anything we can to help marginalised, high risk parts of the community.

But focusing only on the harms associated with illegality is ignoring a great deal of danger that is inherent in the habitual, non-medically approved use of drugs like heroin.

The relative safety of opiates compared to other drugs that do more obvious physical harm doesn't mean they would not 'be a problem if they were fully legal'.
 
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I used to volunteer at in site Vancouver here and there before moving and it really is a great resource for addicts. Addicts come in who were going to shoot up in their genitals but with help from a professional they find new veins they never knew they had. Clean gear and a sterile spot to shoot up without people discriminating against you what more can an addict want. Well besides free drugs;)

Nice! I might start volunteering at the Needle Exchange downtown, I have some friends that do it.. and it really helps one stay clean… :)
 
They often have more than 800 visits a day.
I believe volunteering can really help!
 
It would definitely still be a 'problem' - to consume heroin every day. But if it as cheap, legal, of consistent quality and always accessible - it would be no where near the problem that it currently is. But yeah - it definitely would still have an adverse affect on your life, if you took it every day.
Personally - I find, after continued use - I'm not just taking it to 'feel normal' as they say, but I start actively feeling shitty - even right after a hit.

Meth on the other hand - I have my doubts about ever legalising meth. I can't think of any good that would come of that. Like all drugs - meth needs to be decriminalised - but, I truly believe with a LOT of drugs, including heroin - they need to go a step further than that and actually legalise.
 
In some sense, the illegality of a heroin addiction may be irradiated/lessened, but the societal impacts (sleep disruption, ill-health, inability to hold a regular job etc) would still be prevalent. I recently watched a documentary about life-long heroin addicts in Norway who are now being provided with accommodation, safe-injection-zones, and prescription heroin by the government. Far from feeling content, they feel as though society has given up on them.

so habit, maybe. addiction, no. and we all know how the former can quickly turn into the latter.
 
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