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Do terpenes and 'profiles' really mean fucking anything?

Allylbenzene said:
Cannabis terpenoids are responsible for at least 40% of the plants overall theraputic benefits. Generally speaking a plants terpenoids are a major contributor to it's overall medicinal value.
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how did you come up with that 40%?

i would guess closer to 10%... cannabinoids are too strong, i'm confident cannabinoids are responsible for most of the fx.
 
Jeebis2 said:
If thc is considered to be the engine that drives your high, then the minor cannabinoids and terps are the transmission/brakes/navigation system/steering/etc that give your high nuance and character.
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Agreed. If you've ever tried terpene combinations by themselves then you'll see what they bring to the table. I'd go so far as to say that they contribute at least 40% to the overall high, probably more like 50-60%.
 
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nepalnt21 said:
how did you come up with that 40%?

i would guess closer to 10%... cannabinoids are too strong, i'm confident cannabinoids are responsible for most of the fx.
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By learning about the diverse pharmacological effects of terpenoids and first hand experience of their psychoactive potential when used stand-alone in varying combinations.

Their contribution is at least 40% but I could see how 50-60% is plausible. This is evident in the varieties which are less "tampered with" (landrace, heirloom) which present low THC % (5-15%) yet have acute/rich effects. I'm sure that other cannabinoids are involved no doubt (especially THCV which might even be higher % than THC) but the terpenoids are a key element. Modern varieties with excessive THC % and low terpene diversity offer a fairly poor low-quality experience in comparison to the older landrace/heirloom types.

You'll find an entire community of people who see modern dispensary stuff in this way (good for the trash). Obviously great for many ailments but still a poor terpene diversity/THC noise. There's a lot of these people on icmag... they're the ones usually growing the older varieties from seed companies like ACE seeds. These are like fine wine and champagne compared to commercial generic beer from dispensaries.

If you look at the landrace/heirloom strain descriptions on ACE seeds site you'll see what I mean... low-moderate THC %, rich terpene profiles + accurate descriptions of the psychoactive effects.
 
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Ismene2 said:
No, you're not getting it Jibuilt. I've got four 30ml bottles in front of me with the TERPENES from those 4 strains. So a "sour diesel" bottle of terpenes contains myrcene, pinene etc. A bottle of stardawg terpenes contains a different blend of terpenes - might have more pinene and beta-carr.

Go look online for "bottles of food grade terpenes". See what I mean?
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Oh, I see what you mean now Isomeine.

You buy terpene shots even though you're skeptical (wait, ARE you skeptical? I may've lost track of conversations in this thread and don't really feel like backtracking.)

You didn't mention those little vials though, you just listed strains and a compound. "My terpenes are Sour Diesel" makes sense I guess, but it's stupid to think someone who doesn't buy those terpene shots isn't going to take what you say at face value.

Given your previous postings, I think my interpretation was fair even if incorrect.
 
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Jibult said:
You didn't mention those little vials though, you just listed strains and a compound. "My terpenes are Sour Diesel" makes sense I guess, but it's stupid to think someone who doesn't buy those terpene shots isn't going to take what you say at face value.

Given your previous postings, I think my interpretation was fair even if incorrect.
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Eh? Ive made multiple posts in this thread saying I've never had any cannabis with terpenes in it for 30 years. Obviously you need to buy the terpenes seperate.
 
Mjäll said:
Taking THC alone is virtually identical to weed. It needs no catalyst or "entourage" to do its thing. There may be health benefits to many of these other compounds, but they're not psychoactive drugs.
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whoah not for me at all... vapes and even most concentrates don't get me baked like flower. i've tried quite a few different brands... i don't think it's terps or thc specifically that get a person high. i've heard it called the entourage effect with the terps why flower is different, but i was checking out terps since weed has been legal, and they don't really make a difference.... i can't really figure out why some weed or concentrates are good and others aren't. it just seems to go by brand,, and i think it has something to do with lighting and fertilizer used why some stuff is good, and what is making the weed good science doesn't even have the exact idea why. whatevers making the weed good isn't even thc or the terps. it's some unknown chemical or something. that's the only sense i can make out of why i don't get baked at all off carts. i was even talking on BL about how i cracked a cart open and soaked a nug with like 20 times a hit off a vape and barely got baked. bubble hash from a good brand with less THC will get me baked though. fuck whatever is in carts imo. doesn't matter if they have a ton of THC.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
So what if you just smoked terpenes without the THC? Would that initiate the rapture...?
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It's more convenient and effective to use terpene oils orally. Just make sure you've got genuine pure steam-distilled essential oils with a certificate of analysis for that batch so you know what terpenoids are present. Always dilute the oils beforehand. Keep the doses low.

Many types of psychoactive effects are possible using just essential oils. If you combine the terpenoids that interact with the cannabinoid system that's also interesting.
 
I'm sure that if essential oils were really psychoactive on their own, they would have been abused the fuck out of by now.

I'm aware of Shulgin's 'essential amphetamines', but that is using them as precursors in the manufacture of proper drugs.

But I'm always willing to be proved wrong, so I'm gonna snort a bottle of patchouli...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I'm sure that if essential oils were really psychoactive on their own, they would have been abused the fuck out of by now.
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You'd be surprised at the number of people who think essential oils are blatantly a scam so they never investigate. Those that do are either surprised or in disbelief.

F.U.B.A.R. said:
I'm aware of Shulgin's 'essential amphetamines', but that is using them as precursors in the manufacture of proper drugs.
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Yes, Shulgin was referring to turning say myrstricin into MMDA or elemicin into TMA when you ingest myrstricin/elemicin. The researchers that set out to verify Shulgins theory found no amphetamines but instead found aminoketones (aka amines) which are the most plausible explanation for why people report psychoactive/psychedelic effects from them. I covered those aminoketones here.

F.U.B.A.R. said:
But I'm always willing to be proved wrong, so I'm gonna snort a bottle of patchouli...
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I refer you to my previous post. You wouldn't be proven wrong, just rediscovering something which others have been exploring for decades.
Fwiw, snorting them isn't very sensible nor pleasant.
 
Allylbenzene said:
You'd be surprised at the number of people who think essential oils are blatantly a scam so they never investigate. Those that do are either surprised or in disbelief.


Yes, Shulgin was referring to turning say myrstricin into MMDA or elemicin into TMA when you ingest myrstricin/elemicin. The researchers that set out to verify Shulgins theory found no amphetamines but instead found aminoketones (aka amines) which are the most plausible explanation for why people report psychoactive/psychedelic effects from them. I covered those aminoketones here.


I refer you to my previous post. You wouldn't be proven wrong, just rediscovering something which others have been exploring for decades.
Fwiw, snorting them isn't very sensible nor pleasant.
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My experimentation with essential oils began and ended with myristicin in the form of nutmeg.

Possibly the wost experience of my life.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
So what if you just smoked terpenes without the THC? Would that initiate the rapture...? :LOL:

(I'm guessing not...)
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Drink half an OO cap full of terpenes, drop some D9 and thy kingdom come it will be done. On earth as it is in heaven

I tend to swallow terpenes - they do have a mental effect but its not a high by itself.

I dismissed terpenes too till i tried the motherlickers. It could happen to you cos it happened to me.
 
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F.U.B.A.R. said:
My experimentation with essential oils began and ended with myristicin in the form of nutmeg.
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Did you manage to get pure myrstricin, or were you using nutmeg essential oil without knowing the composition? Some nutmeg doesn't contain any myrstricin and the essential oil contains bioactice terpenes which you really don't want to be ingesting in high doses.

Oils like lemon, pine and myrrh are more ... shall we say, user friendly.
 
Just got 3 bottles of single terpenes to research which terpene does what. Myrcene, pinene and terpinolone.

Tried myrcene today - really sedating relaxing effect on its own and really synergises with D9, seems to give the THC legs.
 
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neversickanymore said:
There is absolutely a difference between indica and sativa strains that is pronounced and usually easily identified. As far as the terpenes that’s mostly flavor and aroma imo.
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Nah, if you take D9 you can make it sativa or indica depending on which terpene you add.
 
You may know better in your view but i have 20 plus years as master cannabis cultivator,, adding terpenes to your harvest indicates to me you don’t know what your doing and esp have no clue on curing your harvest.
almost if you can’t grow and cure your product then by all means douse it with additive terpenes to pretend you know what you’re doing.

fkn margarine
 
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