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Do phenethylamines hurt anyone else's stomach/bowels/etc?

I don't know about the trip lasting as long as you want, but it will indeed be intense for that period of time, and the after effects are enjoyable, perhaps smoke weed after the initial trip to enhance the after glow/shivers it gives you,

Hmm, or perhaps you could take small amounts over the course of some time to avoid it all being in the stomache at once, and also make sure its taken with a liquid, then smoke some to add some peaks to the experience?


and vaping it hits you pretty quickly so do be careful when attempting.
 
Or the way you put it smoking initially might help,

its kinda like the difference between wading slowly into a cold pool, or just jumping right in,

once youre already fully wet it doesn't matter anymore, and you dont have that OHSHT feeling when the cold water hits your balls.

good analogy imo
 
Yeah the analogy was pretty good; I want to feel ALL THE WAY IN before diving, if you know what I mean. To me, that would be more comfortable because all of the body stress comes before going ALL THE WAY IN.
 
I've only experienced 2c-e smoked in a large amount, but it sure was strong. I see how this could work, but more for just quickening the come-up rather than not having stomache pains,

perhaps take the oral dose in parts as I suggested.
You may build SLIGHT tolerance, but it shouldnt be that bad.. i hardly notice tolerance with 2c's anyways
 
exactly, if anything you just get used to the mental-fuck thus have less OEVs, especially if you're familiar with your surroundings.

I noticed that with 2c-P, my OEVs were the only thing that seemed to gain "tolerance"
 
Again, this has nothing to do with strength/intensity of dose, I'm trying to rule out the nasty ass body effects of the 2C compounds. Apparently not everyone experiences them. Instead of bragging about super-long lasting 2C compounds, why not provide some insight on what kind of mucus production THAT must cause and other effects on the body? And instead of just blatantly suggesting the vaporization of 2C chemicals, can you give at least somewhat of an effects list as well? At least, vaporized/health hazards/dose/compared to oral?
 
yeah, 2ce is hard on my body.. just deal with it. i think its a motion sickness kinda feeling because everything is moving lol.
the nausea feeling is the worst because ur tryyying so hard to stay level with everything and dont want to ruin ur best shirt. nothing a tums wont fix tho
 
I cannot give you information on the long-term health hazards of vaporizing PEAs, nobody really can, SizzleSword.
These are research chemicals and should be treated as such.
I only figured you wouldn't mind taking the chances of smoking it as you already feel inclined to try other ROAs that could also be potentially health hazardous.

All I can tell you is from experience, 12mg will get you very far if vaporized. Half of an oral dose is probably a good way to start,
but with smoking since it hits you near immediately it's very easy to find the spot where you'd like to stop, and hense can actually more appropriately dose yourself than with an oral dose, which is completely reliant on your scale.

Just make sure of course you're not throwing 12mg into a meth pipe and taking it all in one big rip..
if you're using foil spread it out in a thin "line" down the crease, so you have the ability to take it slow.
in the meth pipe, just add small amounts untill youre at the desired level..
with cannabis, mix with a small amount of water, or another safe solvent and apply to the cannabis and allow time to dry/absorb, theres also the 'sandwich' technique.


As far as what you're aiming at, perhaps just start off with 3-5 MG and if you feel like you just jumped in the pool, then it shouldn't hurt to "stay wet" via oral.


As far as an effects list? Don't you already know 2c-E's effects? Smoking it isn't too different, just might notice a slightly different body buzz, and perhaps less load. as this is the case for me and some of my lab rats.
 
Well I think the more disappointing factor here is the duration of effects; are you able to smoke more three hours later and come back up, or is it 3 hours and that's it? I'd like to find my pleasurable place easily, sure, but I'd also like to stay there for longer than an hour.
 
It lasts like 3 hours dude, not one hour.
And if you don't want to be overwhelmed you could always smoke untill content, and then redose when you come down, it shouldn't take the entire dose to reach the same effects as an oral dose, about 1/3 of it will work, allowing 2 more redoses, extending the trip to roughly 9 hours.

I also mentioned theres an afterglow, and I wasnt kidding, I still felt goofy and "shivery" for a good few hours after the primary effects subsided.
 
back to the original question...YES, 2ce hurts my gut/intestines.

it's NOT just nausea on the comeup, which most people talk about. i get that but only mildly, vomited only once out of like 20 trips on it.

but i get painful gas on the comedown. i may also get weird bowel movements. and possibly lasting for days after, i have a weird "detached" feeling from my intestines and it's hard to push when i shit. very hard to describe and i always wonder if other people get this and just don't know how to explain it, or if i just get worse side effects
 
I vaped about 14mg at 1:45 PM and it's now close to midnight and I still have huge pupils, trails, and giddiness.

The trip itself was horrible; it started with instant vomiting which led to a dysphoric overtone that lasted about an hour. Smoking a bit of weed made this better, but there was was a sort of limbo the 2C-E was stuck in and I was either getting the regular persian-rug style visuals or shifting/tearing (razor) visuals.

Maybe my dose was just too high, I spent most of the trip feeling sick and/or dysphoric. It took pot and a little bit of alcohol to bring everything back together in the evening.
 
D's said:
yeah, 2ce is hard on my body.. just deal with it. i think its a motion sickness kinda feeling because everything is moving lol.
the nausea feeling is the worst because ur tryyying so hard to stay level with everything and dont want to ruin ur best shirt. nothing a tums wont fix tho
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2c-e makes me feel very motion sick, like im on a boat, during the peak. The visuals can be incredible but they are overwhelming at times. The nausea is bad but "the worst" would be ruining your best pants instead of your best shirt. Im glad it only gave me nausea.
 
Yeah the initial trip is quite intense and I could see one calling it dysphoric, but I also myself do not enjoy 2c-e as much as other (MY NEW FAVORITE 2c-c!!)
And I will agree, you should not have smoked so much at once.
 
Some people have had good results with pre-dosing 25mg or so of diphenhydramine. The reasoning behind it has to do with the dph blocking 2c-e from binding to receptors in the GI tract. I'm a little skeptical about this, but you can't argue with results. I've yet to try this myself, but plan to in the not too distant future. Also since diphenhydramine (benadryl) is an antihistamine it may well help with the mucous issues as well. Hope that helps!
 
Diphenhydamine is often cited as a nausea easer but I can't take it as I'm asthmatic. It can be contra-indicated for asthmatics!

Weed is by far the most common substance to ease the bodyload on 2c-e. I've also found that dosing small, on a completely empty stomach, & taking more later reduces the nausea considerably. I failed myself one day, taking 15mg of 2c-e, in 2 doses within about 40min of each other & only about 3 hours after breakfast. I felt well rough & threw up! So, if I decided to take 15mg of 2c-e again (I say "IF" coz even after I'd heaved I still felt that it was a pretty intense trip!) I will be certain to fast thoroughly & dose incrementally, with good spacing! It doesnt make for a good experience if you start it with your head stuck down the shitter!

To whoever vaped 14mg... TOO much Dude! Go easy on this stuff, vaping 2c-e by all accounts increases the intensity, which is all very well if you WANT a heavy trip. But it doesnt sound like you enjoyed it so maybe vape 3-5mg in future & simply redose a couple hours in... Good luck!
 
Ye 2C-E is rough for me as well, the other 2C's are not so bad, I envy my mates who all seem to get on fine with the stuff, no bodyload or nausea lucky bastards :P
 
Yeah I can't believe he tried to vaporize 14mg at once... damn brave soul..
I did twelve at once and had a question mark GLUED to my forehead the entire time
 
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