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Do phenethylamines hurt anyone else's stomach/bowels/etc?

SizzleSword

SizzleSword

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I've come to the conlcusion that I'm either really sensitive to the effects that phenethyalines have on my body, or phenethylamines are pretty harsh or the stomach/colon. Sometimes I'm fine, sometimes I'm running to the bathroom to take a crap even though I don't have to. It gets really, really annoying after a while.

Another thing I've noticed are masses of mucus in my nose, even if I've only snorted small amounts. This sometimes travels to the other nostril and I can feel/taste it with my tongue. It's usually pretty firm.

Sometimes this even happens when I don't snort them, I take them orally and I get a strange build up in the back of my nose. A hot shower or a big hit or marijuana (?) usually brings it up, and it's the same consistany I mentioned with the mucus.

Anyone have any thoughts or info on this?
 
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Its easy to avoid the painful body high, as 2c-goinsane said, eat well the day of/before, drink water before etc, only eat light food like fruit n shit. Also you're super sensitive to your entire body, including your nose so if you just ate it you'd avoid that.

If anyone else knows, is there anything you can take (like tums or something) that would help with bad body highs?
 
I've always noticed the vaped ROA gets rid of the uneasy body high obtained by most of the phens, but that's a whole 'nother ballgame.

having a good pre-trip diet is good, as far as you snorting 2cs, well don't snort them simple as that.
Whenever you snort something that burns, or is destructive on the sinuses, in this case a phen compound, your nose's instant reaction is to protect itself in the only way it knows how.. and that's to place a barrier between it and the substance, such as mucus.

Funny thing is, whenever this has happened to me in the past, I'll wake up the next morning and sniffle my nose to suck the snot back ---
SURPRISE I still had a few milligrams left up there :P
 
2C-E, mescaline, 2C-T-xxx almost always upset my stomach. I initially assumed it was due to anxiety or over stimulation, but the nausea isn't present with things such as 2CB, 2CC, 2CD...Given that some of these drugs can really hurt the nostrils, its not surprsing that they can irritate the stomach.

As to the mucus, I don't know....
 
2c-e definitely gives me nausea. I had to quit smoking pot a month ago for legal reasons but sampled some 2c-e without THC in my system and I threw up around the 2 hour mark though I'd never thrown up or gotten nausea before from it. I think MJ helps with a lot of psychedelic drug nausea. Without it, throughout that night, I definitely felt like if I were to consume any alcohol or anything else that might make me a little dizzy, I would've thrown up again.
 
2c-e seems to be one of the worst. 2c-t-2 is also pretty bad. I constantly feel like i have to go shit, i usually squirt out some brown water, eventually my ass gets sore from all the wiping and i have to just hop in the shower. I recommend immodium, codeine, some opiate for your ass and benadryl/diphenhydramine or ginger for your stomach. I usually have to throw some tylenol in there for tension too, but once it's all down it's smooth sailing. I don't usually have problems with the other 2c's, at least not to the same extent. Cannabis certainly helps too but doesn't do much for the ass problems. Avoid greasy food.
 
Robot Ripping,

I wouldn't go about mixing all of those things with the PEAs, sounds dangerous IMO.
Diphenhydramine? no thanks, and the tylenol could compound the damage to your body the drug is already causing.

just ma two cents.
 
i'll need some evidence first. Low dose codeine to prevent you from shitting yourself won't add any harm. Acetaminophen also just low dose to remove tension/head aches. I mix diphenhydramine with everything and have for years and years, haven't noticed any problems, I don't usually go over 100-150mg if I'm tripping on something else though. Think of it like this, someone who is using an opiate for pain, will often use acetaminophen as well (usually in the pills) and if they want to potentiate it with diphenhydramine it doesn't seem to cause any harm. Now throw in a 2c, is it all that bad? I guess i'll have to let you know in 30-40 years but in the short term i haven't had any issues.
 
Very true on many levels with the codeine, but wont codeine also stop headaches? I mean if youre forced to have a pill with both in it, I don't think the wash is too hard, Acetaminophen just bothers me for some reason, also because the toxities of these drugs remains questionable, if the 2c's take a tole on the liver, we prolly shouldn't drink on them, use acetaminophen etc. Remember these chemicals have not been properly tested, and it is known to acetaminophen to cause liver damage, or potentiate damages caused by other things.. I'm pretty sure.

and that's strange because even in the recommended (low) dose of diphenhydramine in OTC sleeping aides I have a wierd psychosis/tremor sleep/wake sleeping pattern on it, it doesn't happen severely every time, but sometime it does. Perhaps my body lacks something to metabolize it properly? Fuck if I know but I could personally do without it. Isn't there another antihistamine out there that's the opposite and speedy? I used that one once and didn't have a freakout episode, but felt a little more sharp perhaps, weird. And the hangover... ugh, I remember I took it so I could wake for work in the morning, My brain was fried all day.


If you notice pain anywhere it's safe to assume there IS a toxicity to the 2c substances, at least of some form.. I mean you can't even venture past 18mg of 2c-P without being scared of what's next, and then theres the NBOME's which are so easy to OD on if unskillfully handled, of course this may not be 2c-e, or 2c-d, or 2c-c because they clearly ARE different chemicals, though brothers and sisters. But it's safe to assume if you take the WRONG amount of any of them, all hell will break loose, and if there are effects of the body, such as to the kidney, or liver, then why would I so desire to potentate it more?

Also consider, is the 2c-e substance an MAOI? or have some similar effect? and what will that do to the diphenhydramine?

I still feel safer smoking them than mixing them with something that could possibly potentiate negative effects twentyfold, or fiftyfold, or maybe even twice for that matter. It's how I see it man.

Take care of your body, and try to be safe is my motto, I love Phens and Trypts to death, don't get me wrong but I like to let people know what's up and understand the risks before they dive right in.
 
Also I'd like to add that I seriously don't think intra-nasal or intra-anal ROAs are a good idea if you're trying to avoid pain in your digestive tract, or damage your mucus membranes in your nose, the 2c series I know for a fact are HARSH on your mucus membranes, and honestly your stomach is the toughest part of you.

I prolly shouldn't smoke the stuff, but hey whatever, it's my prefered ROA of phens, I enjoy the shorter duration.
 
I can't seem to stay away from the toilet/shower on 2C-E, no matter what method I choose. I get that brown oozing shit that just never seems to stop, and it feels like I need to go but I don't think there's really anything there. To me this is the biggest 2C-E trip killer of all times; I can deal with the insufflation pain or the brief nausea, but that squirting shit seems to last the entire trip and it really bothers me.
 
The constantly needing to shit feeling really is just due to bad diet. If you have very little in your body at time of dosing you don't feel any of that.

Also, I had heard that DPH gets rid of the bad 2c-e body high. I've never tried it since I don't get it too badly .... also fuck DPH, i've had like 300mg of that with dxm and its just... ugh. But a low dose might be good.
 
About the mucus, 2C-B has been suspected of being able to influence the immune system hasn't it?
 
I've never personally heard or read that but I wouldn't doubt it at all whatsoever, I've tried -B, -E, -I, and -C and they've all done the same type of thing to me, sometimes almost immediately.

I'm planning on dosing some 2C-E tomorrow, but I don't know what ROA it's going to be. I really, really don't wanna stress my stomach but even insufflating it seems to end up hurting my stomach, so I really don't know which way to go.

It's not necessarily an 'upset stomach' that comes and goes that's so bad for me, it's this feeling like I have to go to the bathroom constantly, and sometimes it is somewhat constant (diarrhea-style, like not being able to leave the bathroom for a while).

It usually makes for a scene of going to the bathroom, stripping naked, getting in the shower for about 5 minutes, drying off, getting back dressed and doing this every thirty or forty minutes. THAT'S what I'm trying to avoid.
 
What about the current and ongoing talk about the toxicity of 2C-X chemicals when smoked? Plus, the reports I've read say that it makes you nauseas even if you vape it.

What would the duration even be of a method like that? 2-3 hours?
 
2c-e seems to come on rather slowly vaped actually compared to the others, from baseline to peak in 20 mins or so, peak lasting about an hour, another hour and a half coming down from the peak... residual feelings such as "the shivers" lasting for a while afterwards.

Yeah it's toxic, they're toxic taken orally as well, I'm not suggesting vaping 30mgs of the stuff, 10-12 should do the trick.


I get LESS nausea from vaping 2c's than taking them any other way.
I also notice less body-load when vaping them, especially in the case of 2c-P.
 
I wonder if smoking a tiny bit and then waiting about 30 - 45 minutes and taking bit more oally would smoothen out the edgyness of the 2C-E bodyload/come-up. I'm wanting to have a trip that's going to last the majority of the afternoon. Would sorta mix you right into the 2C-E mindframe and you wouldn't notice the effects as much; that, or it'ld make it worse and you'd have that 'double come up' feeling.
 
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