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ok.. I wondered if other drugs make you feel very open and unashamed like mdma does.
Like, on meth or heroin/ coke, do you feel very unashamed too? Like, when you see yourself do you see yourself as beautiful? Like you'd see yourself as "adam"

What exactly is it that makes you feel like that on mdma?
 
ok.. I wondered if other drugs make you feel very open and unashamed like mdma does.
Like, on meth or heroin/ coke, do you feel very unashamed too? Like, when you see yourself do you see yourself as beautiful? Like you'd see yourself as "adam"

Heroin is very much so like this, yes. I'm not ashamed at all to begin with, but heroin is much more so reinforcing and rewarding to ones self in a related but not the exact similar way MDMA can be.

Meth is the same way, if you don't over do it.

Coke doesn't for me in the same way, but when mixed with heroin, it does! So yeah, that's why these drugs are very addictive for many people.

What exactly is it that makes you feel like that on mdma?
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Heroin = "Awesome euphoric body-load I don't give a damn because I don't want to."

Benzos = "Stress free to do as I please uninhibited tad bit euphoric I don't give a damn but I really should might embarrass myself slipping out private thoughts fucking random chicks by accident can't remember all of my pills are missing who the fuck is this next to me in my bed?"

MDMA = "Speed it up slow it down hit me in waves I'm happy drama free serotonin splurging moving to the beat euphoric love machine pornographic film in HD-3D"

That is how I see things while on these drugs.
 
ok.. I wondered if other drugs make you feel very open and unashamed like mdma does.
Like, on meth or heroin/ coke, do you feel very unashamed too? Like, when you see yourself do you see yourself as beautiful? Like you'd see yourself as "adam"

What exactly is it that makes you feel like that on mdma?

I guess that depends on what you mean by 'feeling unashamed'. Do you mean drugs that lower your inhibitions and self consciousness, or do you mean drugs that allow you to think about subjects that are normally difficult in an unimpassioned manner?

I would say that inhibitions are indeed lowered by the drugs you mentioned (coke, meth, heroin). But, none of those do so as strongly as MDMA in my opinion.

Stimulants (including meth and coke) tend to make me more opinionated, socially outgoing and willing to take social risks and say things I might not normally. But, this is tempered by the tendency to feel sorta self conscious on stims, like everyone knows you're high and judging you (this is usually just paranoia, but it's a hard feeling to shake).

Opiates do lower inhibitions in that you don't really care what other people may think about you while under the influence. But on opiates, I probably don't really care enough about anything to leave the couch and actually be in social situations anyway, so this is kinda a moot point.

I think alcohol is great for lowering inhibitions. I don't care what others may think of me, I have the urge to socialize and I don't sweat the social faux pas I may make. I suppose benzos also can lower social inhibitions, but they usually make me feel too apathetic to even bother.

If you want a drug that allows you to view yourself from a state removed from the normal emotional responses linked to difficult subjects, then I would recommend dissociatives (i.e. ketamine, DXM etc.). I would recommend ketamine if you can get it, it's considered by most to be the best dissociative. Of course, MDMA's analogs share this property to varying degrees as well. Typical psychedelics sometimes can do this, but they can just as likely cause the opposite effect too.

Meth, coke, heroin etc. do simply make you feel good (euphoria) regardless of what your typical emotional response may be to a given situation (and therefore feel no shame). But I think what these types of drugs offer is simple escapism, I usually avoid introspection on such substances.

Hope that helped.
 
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I guess that depends on what you mean by 'feeling unashamed'. Do you mean drugs that lower your inhibitions and self consciousness, or do you mean drugs that allow you to think about subjects that are normally difficult in an unimpassioned manner?

I would say that inhibitions are indeed lowered by the drugs you mentioned (coke, meth, heroin). But, none of those do so as strongly as MDMA in my opinion.

Stimulants (including meth and coke) tend to make me more opinionated, socially outgoing and willing to take social risks and say things I might not normally. But, this is tempered by the tendency to feel sorta self conscious on stims, like everyone knows you're high and judging you (this is usually just paranoia, but it's a hard feeling to shake).

Opiates do lower inhibitions in that you don't really care what other people may think about you while under the influence. But on opiates, I probably don't really care enough about anything to leave the couch and actually be in social situations anyway, so this is kinda a moot point.

I think alcohol is great for lowering inhibitions. I don't care what others may think of me, I have the urge to socialize and I don't sweat the social faux pas I may make. I suppose benzos also can lower social inhibitions, but they usually make me feel too apathetic to even bother.

If you want a drug that allows you to view yourself from a state removed from the normal emotional responses linked to difficult subjects, then I would recommend dissociatives (i.e. ketamine, DXM etc.). I would recommend ketamine if you can get it, it's considered by most to be the best dissociative. Of course, MDMA's analogs share this property to varying degrees as well. Typical psychedelics sometimes can do this, but they can just as likely cause the opposite effect too.

Meth, coke, heroin etc. do simply make you feel good (euphoria) regardless of what your typical emotional response may be to a given situation (and therefore feel no shame). But I think what these types of drugs offer is simple escapism, I usually avoid introspection on such substances.

Hope that helped.

Well.. I didn't mean like lowered inhibitions. Because I have been extremely open and confident on just alcohol. And I mean like being judgmental and seeing the negative of who you are. when you see yourself as a person, you only see the good and beauty of who you are.

I meant like... okay you know how when you see yourself and look at yourself on mdma, you don't see your ugly self, you see yourself as beautiful.

Just like how Adam and eve would have... And that is why they also call mdma adam. But if other drugs had this same effect then why would they only call mdma adam??
 
i think that if you have reservations about your image, you will either feel better about yourself or worse when you are high.

imo, its because your in a really good mood and more empathetic than usual on mdma, so you see yourself as better than when you are sober
 
I've never done meth, but have extensive experience with coke, MDMA and especially heroin.

With MDMA you do feel very empathetic, meaning you will probably be very happy with yourself while the drug is in your system. On MDMA I always feel very connected with the people around me, making me more comfortable with myself as a person.

With coke, I never really perceived my self image too much as I was generally too busy chasing that next line. In a way this kinda makes me feel like a fiend, which could negatively affect your self image. It really depends.

With heroin, which is unlike ecstasy in almost every way except euphoria, I thought of myself as powerful. Heroin is a very ego centered high IMO, and also a very reclusive drug. I know after extensive addiction issues I felt very terrible about myself, ashamed if you will. Lots of rebound anxiety is involved as well when you quit taking the drug. When your high on heroin you feel like your on top of the world, but since heroin is so addicting it seems like you spend all your time chasing that next high. This could be very detrimental to someones view of themselves when sober.
 
Ive never done meth or heroin str8 up, never want to.

Ive done meth in some cut coke, it was terrible, if anything I lost my ability to talk to people without shaking, I was a mess and couldnt look at people in the eye, I felt like an ant on this shit. I hated it

(good) cocaine mixed with a small amount of alcohol creates another drug in your system, it is dangerous to mix so dont do it, but the feeling it creates is exactly what I like, sort of speedy, lots of confidence and overall sense of awesomness...I can drink hard bar and do good cocaine forever as long as Im with good peeps. Id say this feeling is close to E.

The best sense of welbeing I had was the first time I snorted dilaudid (hydromorphone...not as hard as heroin but on the same terms)...I felt like I could fly while speaking at the white house to a croud of incredibly hot hot women, just a really good feeling...then I puked.

and then theres benzos....they are great but you really dont wanna mix them with anything so in that sense they suck recreationaly

lol have fun
 
i think that if you have reservations about your image, you will either feel better about yourself or worse when you are high.

imo, its because your in a really good mood and more empathetic than usual on mdma, so you see yourself as better than when you are sober

how does empathy cause that though?
 
Empathy can be good or bad.

There is Self empathy and Social empathy.

Self empathy is a huge part of depression and can be produced by "Empath-ogens"

You want Social Empathy, or the "loving Outwards" type feeling. Which is the bright part of Empathy.

Empathy can be passion or suffering. Your mood will make the difference.
 
Empathy can be good or bad.

There is Self empathy and Social empathy.

Self empathy is a huge part of depression and can be produced by "Empath-ogens"

You want Social Empathy, or the "loving Outwards" type feeling. Which is the bright part of Empathy.

Empathy can be passion or suffering. Your mood will make the difference.

actually.. okay I get it now.
Thanks
 
If I'm on stimulants and doing something good with my day, i.e. wake up and shower and feel clean and productive, I feel great about myself.

Especially the first few times you take amphetamine you will be on top of the world, loving yourself and everyone around you. It will literally feel like you are glowing with happiness.
 
MDMA humbles me. I feel ecstatic on a holy level, like i'm experiencing God's presence. On average-high doses, i experience ego death. It's amazing.. being one with everyone, the universe

Meth slows my mind down & allows me to let go of the trivial things that would otherwise occupy my thoughts (like OCD thoughts). I feel relaxed & decisions are made with ease. I would say i'm more inhibited while on meth because my judgement is often superior to sober me, who is incredibly impulsive & emotionally-scattered.. meth me = the opposite. I'm not particularly humble on it, but not egotistical either. I feel equal to everyone around me. It improves my behavior - i have better control of myself. - I have no cravings while on meth. While sober, i crave anything that will get me high

Cocaine makes me think about cocaine. It changes my personality. I see myself as the center of attention. Everything is better on cocaine, etc...

Heroin - haven't done it

Hope that helps

-G
 
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ok.. I wondered if other drugs make you feel very open and unashamed like mdma does.
Like, on meth or heroin/ coke, do you feel very unashamed too? Like, when you see yourself do you see yourself as beautiful? Like you'd see yourself as "adam"

What exactly is it that makes you feel like that on mdma?

I've never seen myself as beautiful, but certain drugs (MDMA, methampetamine, alcohol, benzos, etc.) have lowered my inhibitions and increased my confidence, making me less "ashamed".
 
Meth slows my mind down & allows me to let go of the trivial things that would otherwise occupy my thoughts (like OCD thoughts). I feel relaxed & decisions are made with ease. I would say i'm more inhibited while on meth because my judgement is often superior to sober me, who is incredibly impulsive & emotionally-scattered.. meth me = the opposite. I'm not particularly humble on it, but not egotistical either. I feel equal to everyone around me. It improves my behavior - i have better control of myself. - I have no cravings while on meth. While sober, i crave anything that will get me high

That's interesting. Have you ever been tested for ADHD?
 
That's interesting. Have you ever been tested for ADHD?

Yep. I have ADD (without hyperactivity).. meaning i have racing thoughts i can't control and low energy, caused by trying to focus. i'd daydream all day if i had nothing feeding my brain

d-amp and meth put everything in focus.. just like a blind person being able to see for the first time
 
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