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Do any of the APBs actually come close to MDMA

Yes, 5-MAPB packs a hell of a punch, and roughly, and i say ROUGHLY 50mg = 100mg mdma, but yes it's a great value for your buck usually.

I think 5-MAPB is probably what you are looking for. My most recent roll with it I took about 150mg (but I'm not a lightweight) after a 2 month break and I had a wonderful roll with a close friend, then I went home and turned the lights off and made some glowstick videos in the dark which really entertained me. I could;ve then crashed if I wanted to, but it was Sunday morning, and I often go to a flea market with a family member (who doesn't do drugs) and I was in the "afterglow" stage still where I wasn't really rolling but still feeling great if a bit tired, but not really. I made sure to be very well rested the night before I rolled, and ate full meals. I also should note that I took .5mg xanax before I rolled which might've made it all the much smoother.

I am currently struggling on and off with an opiate addiction and I was able to open up and talk about a lot of issues with my family member that Sunday morning that normally I would keep to myself. Overall, it had everything that I seek for out of a roll, with the exception of a backrub or sexual contact from a member of the opposite sex, which includes:

-strong, pushing, yet very comfortable "come-up"
-perma-grin smile on my face
-loving life
-increased music appreciation
-being able to "roll harder" simply by listening to certain kinds of music
-psychedelic affects from glowsticks
-connecting with close friends/family members through conversation
 
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Honestly 5-mapb isn't dramatically more potent than the HCl salt of 6-apb, but since alot of the 6-apb is the succinate, which is alot weaker than the HCl by weight, the doses listed for 6-apb seem alot higher. 5-apb HCl is about equal to, or a tad bit stronger than 5-mapb and I know 6-apdb doesn't appeal to you but this is probably the most potent, in case anyone was wondering.

Your gonna enjoy that 6-apb, like st3ve said it makes you horny as fuck so it helps to have someone to fulfill your needs ;). Sex is great and I have little difficulty maintaining an erection and achieving orgasm. Also, iirc your also sensitive to tachycardia? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else but anyways, 5-mapb was the wort for causing this IME and my BP got as high as 157/90 which is really high for me being that my usual BP is aroun110/70 so it wouldn't hurt to tak a bit more benzo before dosing and avoiding redoses as it starts to get pretty rough on the body.
 
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Yeah I'm very sensitive to tachycardia. I'm actually going on a Holter monitor at some point in the near future (have to call and schedule) but my ECG came back fine that the doctor did and he is convinced there is nothing wrong with my heart, he still wants to do a 2 day monitor.

My pulse runs between 80 and 140 on average depending on my anxiety as it is which is why I think I'll avoid stimulants for now and stick with 4-HO-MET and MXE which both seem to be heart neutral for me, at least until I get the test results back but the bottom line is I want to add one or both to my collection for a day when my anxiety is finally under control or when I have enough Valium that I can double it for the day.

Appreciate the info on these chems though because I fell out of the scene when they became popular and when I was in the scene I had no need to mess with then because mdma, methylone, and mephedrone were all available at any time. Now that situation is quite different...

I've heard that 6-APB tends to be lighter on the body than 5-MAPB especially as the dose goes up on the 5-MAPB and I've heard hardly anything about 6-APDB other than back when it first hit the scene it was all fake.
 
Are you sure your not talking about 6-apb as far as the bunk batches go? If not 6-apb had this problem around 2011-2012. Even with easy access to MDMA and rarely MDA I still prefer the APB's in certain situations as they cause little comedown, last alot longer, and have that psychedelic edge. This series is by far the best class of RC's on the market, far better than those shitty subbed cathinones and IMO methylone as well. MDMA is too fleeting for me, it gets me floored and drops me off rapidly wanting more, and redosing provides little benefits. It doesn't help that I metabolize drugs quickly so MDMA only lasts 4h with only 1.5h of peak.

Tbh, all the APB's felt easier on the body than 5-mapb, though 6-apdb isn't too far behind. The reports of serious long term comedowns with 5-mapb are quite worrying, so I would go easy on it as I know you've had past experiences with this type of stuff. Yes Si Ingwe dosed a few days in a row, but these were very low doses and no releaser should cause the months and months of suffering he went though as a result of this.
 
Then I think 6-APB is a go... Like I said I have to get whatever I choose in bulk so I need to be sure.

So you would take 6-APB over MDXX themselves? That's fascinating. Well I will work on it next month.

We seem to act pretty similarly to drugs besides kratom which was a stimulated nauseous hell for me so I guess 6-APB it is.

What is the potency difference between succinate and hydrochloride?
 
I'm too lazy to do the math for you, but the hydrochloride is a good bit more potent per milligram. (You probably already knew that, though.)
 
Crap! The place I was going to use only has the 5s - 5-APB, 5-MAPB, 5-EAPB.

What a pain... My 6-APB source won't ship to the US as of the other day.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Well I appear to be torn between 5-APB and 5-MAPB with possibly a few milligrams of 4-HO-MET tossed in.

There was another forum that had much positive to say about 5-APB vs 6-APB, the only real negatives were overdoses were highly unpleasant from what I remember.

I tend to react to chems similar to you Captain so you may have summed it up for me. Sounds like 5-APB if I don't want psychedelia and 6-APB if I want to have a bit more psychedelia. 5-MAPB might be good with 4-HO-MET though.

Its too bad MXE is a no-no.
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I didn't read the rest of the replies yet...but go with 5-Mapb....the M staqnds for Methylated...and as you probably already know the "methylated" makes a big difference. I would bet anything you would enjoy 5-mapb more than 5-apb...but hopefully your source will be good, because there are mixed reports and batches of the chem going around. The one you want is pure white and fluffy...
 
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Crap! The place I was going to use only has the 5s - 5-APB, 5-MAPB, 5-EAPB.

What a pain... My 6-APB source won't ship to the US as of the other day.
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Unless you like tripping, you're not missing out on anything too serious. 6-apb is boring at low doses, while 5-mapb is very exciting and identical to an MDMA buzz. You won't be able to tell the difference, except that it lasts much longer than mdma. I am assuming you are getting the good batch. I have never done any bad batch of 5-mapb so can't speak for that, but I hear they are sedating and boring. That's how 6-apb was for me....didn't even want to listen to music on it... Feels a lot like a piperazine too... Also feels like MDA but not nearly as rushy or good as MDA imo....I'd chose mda over 6-apb any day of the week. Then again I've never done a huge dose of 6-apb and I find low doses of MDA to be too trippy and boring for me as well (The higher the dose the less trippy it is, because the rolling rush takes over!)

EDIT- Read the rest of the responses. Just wanted to say in regards to 6-apb I verified that I had the highest quality batch going around, actually I had two batches. One was brown the other was white. The white batch was better for sure, but still not enough to compare to 5-mapb. (and the 6-apb was HARDER on my body than 5-mapb...5-mapb produces absolutely no bad side effects. 6-apb had several bad effects, such as brain zaps the nxt day, and hot and cold feeling when on the drug. I didn't get any of that from the 5-mapb) And yes I got spiritual experiences from the 6-apb that were pretty deep, not as much as shrooms of course but much more so than 5-mapb, which is more of a mdma, rolling, stim, and not psychedelic like 6-apb.

That's why I prefer it. To each their own. As I said, if you like tripping get the 6-apb (oh yeah duh..you mentioned you cannot get it. Well then that advice goes for ANYONE on here who is debating. Trust me, the 5-mapb is better for those who don't like psychedelics. But make sure it's white and fluffy or I can't guarantee it will be good. As the only batch of 5-mapb I've done was white and fluffy)
 
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I may be a little late but after using and abusing both 5-apb &5-mapb I would strongly suggest going with 5-apb as not only are the overall effects more enjoyable ime but the ratio of side effects seem much lower across the board. My dumb ass really had to push 5-apb before it started repaying in brain zaps while 1 night of redosing with mapb caused similar zapping. Assuming of course that you are smarter than I and will not have to worry about abuse, 5-apb is in no way lacking in euphoria leaving one perfectly content whether they are out and about or at home snuggling with a loved one. There is a reason the 5-mapb thread is full of suggested combinations and the 5-apb thread is not.
 
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^ I agree, 5-apb is one of the smoothest releasers on the body and is just so damn cozy. Feels more complete than 5-mapb, which by the way was indeed the fluffy white HCl.

MagickalKat777 said:
Then I think 6-APB is a go... Like I said I have to get whatever I choose in bulk so I need to be sure.

So you would take 6-APB over MDXX themselves? That's fascinating. Well I will work on it next month.

We seem to act pretty similarly to drugs besides kratom which was a stimulated nauseous hell for me so I guess 6-APB it is.

What is the potency difference between succinate and hydrochloride?
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I know exactly what vendor your talking about and it's where I used to get my APB's, we really lost one of the most professional vendors on the market, always high quality chems and a huge selection...stupid fucking feds :!. I know you aren't getting 6-apb but I'll answer your questions anyways. I honestly can't see myself taking 6-apb over MDA unless I have work the next day or something like that because MDA destroys me, I don't know why I mentioned it my other post.

As for MDMA, yeah, In most situations I would take 6-apb over MDMA. When I got into the APB's I sorta dropped MDMA despite the abundance of quality presses floating around, it just got boring and is really compulsive due to the short duration, not to mention the terrible comedowns and sleep paralysis. I only take it if I wanna get absolutely floored. Otherwise 6-apb is more versatile. Sex is better on 6, lasts alot longer which makes it great for parties, resosing seems to work remarkably well, it has zero comedown, lacks side effects, it's more psychedelic... I can go on and on, it's just not as euphoric as MDMA though it comes really close when dosed right.

The difference between the succinate and HCl is pretty high. If I had to say the HCl is at least 30% more potent, maybe even 40% though that may be a bit too high. I know 5-apb HCl is also alot more potent than the succinate but I don't know exactly how much as I've only had the HCl. As for 5-mapb, I've only seen vendors selling the HCl.
 
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With every post I get more and more confused lol
I think there's no surefire way of deciding which one is better, it seems to induce different experiences for each person.
 
I've only had MDMA and 5-MAPB. Maybe I had an idiosyncratic reaction, but I don't see how anyone could compare 5-MAPB to MDMA. It sucked. I have no plans to touch it again.
 
It didn't feel anything like MDMA or even meth. I took 100mg. I can't even remember much about it or describe it really. By 2am, I was delirious. I called my dad and asked him where he was even though it was the middle of the night and he was at home.
 
I'm on my phone so it's a bit more complicated to reply right now but man these APBs are confusing. Talking about "fluffy white" means nothing by the way. If anything the fluffy white was better because fluffy chems are a bitch to weigh on a cheap scale so you got more than you thought you did. I've had this happen more than once where after a few seconds the weight of my fluffy 2C-E went up to the true weight which was between 5 and 10mg higher and the effects of the dose matched and was also tested on a semi micro balance and showed the same weight.

It is looking more and more like 5-APB will be what I'll be getting. That's if I decide to get any of them. I've had such bad problems abusing releasers in the past that I'm not sure seeking out that euphoria again is smart for me. It is inevitable though that I will consume a releaser again eventually especially since I plan to go to Vegas next year for a certain event...

I don't know, I heard more good things about lower doses of 5-APB but lots of nastiness at higher doses and I've heard 5-MAPB at any dose can be as rough as mephedrone in terms of stimulation and sometimes even worse.

Then there is all the shady business with the Chinese companies selling x-APB instead of the APB you wanted... Dunno. I have the source of the best 5-MAPB on the market but I don't know about their 5-APB.
 
Strangely i've found 6-apb to be very non-abusable, just due to the intensity and longevity of effects. I am the type of person to go through methylone, mdpv, mephedrone, and almost any stim or short acting releaser until it's gone, but with 6-apb that first solid dose i had was plenty for a while. It has that element that is fulfilling that is missing with a lot of the other releasers.

Same thing happens with psychedelics too, if I get a good strong psychedelic dose, then i am not likely to trip again for a while, but if the experience falls flat i might go into a cycle of tripping too often. My 6-apb experiences have mostly been very rounded and fulfilling and it's one of the few drugs that i can keep around without worrying about blowing through it. It's definitely very magical. As mentioned i haven't had 5-apb but i'm sure that i would like it, sounds quite similar. 5-mapb, by reports, seems like something i might be more inclined to abuse.
 
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I've only had MDMA and 5-MAPB. Maybe I had an idiosyncratic reaction, but I don't see how anyone could compare 5-MAPB to MDMA. It sucked. I have no plans to touch it again.
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Absolutely agree 5MAPB is shit. Methylone and Mephedrone (oral) are both good. 6-APB is speedy and feels hard on the body for me and has a trippy edge. 5-APB maybe a bit better but not explored properly. You'll probably find something you like and a bit 'rolly' amounst this lot but none is really like MD.
 
I should note I'm one of the few people who actually liked methylone more than MDMA in certain situations. And I always preferred a combo of methylone and mephedrone orally to MDMA.

It's not hard to make me like something more than MDMA. The whole experience of rolling feels very forced and fake to me. Maybe I lost the magic but I prefer MDA to MDMA because it allows you to go through the full spectrum of human emotions and will let you explore your psyche and the universe more than the generally forced happy feeling that MDMA tends to cause...

Since I'm a solo tripper and a solo roller, I guess it kind of breeds that type of thinking as well. I get overwhelmed when I roll at the clubs so it's either alone or with a very close group of friends.
 
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