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Do alpha males exist? Is being good at picking up innate?

Cut, uncut, IDGAF...I'm too much of a filthy cum guzzling butt slut to be picky over shit like that.

Well, ok...I *am* a size queen, and I particularly have a thing for bbc... so, can you sell some of your dildos with black pigment in the rubber?
 
I like this concept of some arent choosing to play in any sort of game. Im not. And I would agree that its unfair to label someone a "beta" (or any non-alpha) as they may very well be a "non combatant." Sexual relationships can also be either emotionally attached intimate friendships, or hedonistic indulgences with mutual biological needs to be fulfilled. Keeping score with sex makes about as much sense to me as keeping score with rides on a roller coaster. How do you experience the moment if youre so worried about the acquisition and maintenance of status? Takes all the fun out of fucking if you ask me.

I was pondering this on saturday night actually, befor going to the pub the firsst time in ages. I would fall into the non combatants, at the moment. When it comes to competition, I personally don't have any serious time for it, but noticing the natural progression of things is much more interesting - once a person becomes set on their career, lacking complexes, and happy with themselves, it's much easier to see where there are, if you box them off as a homo sapien, instead of a person.


Foreigner I totally agree, it's societal engineering - we CAN easily be pushed into ranks, and modern society sees alpha males with women being docile sheep waiting for the wolves yes - but in reality human relationships are so much more complex than just being homo sapiens, slaves to our primal urges. What is unfortunate is that alpha females are not pushed forwards to level the current state of affairs...but hey, patriarchal society for ya. :(

Naturally, it's not going to matter either way, everyone's gonna get what they put in the effort for - but the "alphas" - we'll just get the pick of the bunch.
 
Yes, if he could sell himself.

In a corporate setting, alpha males are really interesting. Not the douchebags who have no friends and are just super dickheads with everyone. Those are unattractive and a turnoff. I'm talking about a guy who knows his shit and is forceful but in the right way. A way that wins friends and influences people. Men who are not afraid to talk to me, but who aren't all "I want to fuck you." Men who give me a look and know what's up, but aren't arrogant assholes about it. Men who will sit down with me and treat me like a peer but who give me a look like "you and me...we could rock it in the sack." but they don't say it. Men who will respect me and allow me to do what I am good at, but will still teach me things in a respectful way. Men who will challenge me, but do it in a funny, playful way and then of course men who will also say "Ok, dude you're right and I'm wrong" and are OK with a female being right.

These men are alpha, smart, and I will drop the alpha female and totally be submissive for.
You are not an alpha female then.
 
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I dunno...Lysis, at least online, seems quite "alpha". So, here is the thing...like I'm REALLY submissive to my romantic partner too. But I'd probably be called an alpha outside of that. I get 95% or higher marks on exams like magnetohydrodynamics and quantum field theory. Without even studying very much. (Like, I literally did not study at all in the 5 days leading up to writing 3 exams on one day.) I'm an Lieutenant in the Armed Forces...I've commanded men in battle and I supervise my entire area domestic role... I don't back down from well, nearly anything. EXCEPT my S/O. If another guy confronts me in particular, I'm extremely dominant and unyielding, if random girl confronts, I'm the same way. If a female friend confronts me...well ok...I might indulge her a bit more, if my S/O confronts me? Except for issues that are really important to me, I'll give in.

As for the money thing... I agree with Llama. Like I have a decent job, but it's not spectacular. I burn my money up pretty quickly. But it makes no difference to my S/O it seems. She loves me regardless and treats me the same on payday when I have $$ to blow, or in between when *she* has to buy me a pack of smokes.
 
Alphas are leaders naturally. You can not change your nature. If you are submissive, then you are not an Alpha, just you might "might" be a stronger than normal Beta. Still a Beta though.

Intelligence doesn't come into effect when speaking about Alphas and Betas, it's purely who is the dominant one in the room, and who is the natural leader. Being an officer in the Military doesn't make you and Alpha either. In fact it seems like you are trying to convince yourself that you are an Alpha here.

I can read just one of your posts and tell you that you are not one.
 
So, out of the entirety of humanity, there are, at best, 5 people I ever act submissive/deferent towards willingly (as opposed to pragmatically like a professor or a moderator because I have a goal in mind of passing my course and not getting banned from BL). That's about 0.000 000 071 430 % of the world population.
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Dominant one the room? I'm the dominant one in a room containing 60 aggressive men with rifles. I'm the dominant one a room full of frat boys drinking cheap whiskey and bro-fisting each other too.

As I said, I'm submissive towards perhaps 5 people out of the worlds population, and in all contexts except that of a romantic or sexual relationship with a select few people.

Of course, people have just mildly more complex social structures than animals do, and we do have a certain level of reasoning that animals lack. That reasoning can give insight in to occasions when "submitting" is the best option, not out of fear, but out of the other person being genuinely right/correct. I.e. If my linear algebra prof corrects me in a statement I made about linear algebra, and shows me a proof that demonstrates that I was, in fact, irrefutably wrong about it, and say "Ooooh OK...I see what I did wrong!" That is not really be submissive or beta as it is using one's rationality and reason to understand that you where wrong about factual claim and to acknowledge the demonstrated skill and knowledge of this expert, in his her or field of expertise. Not unlike going to the Doctor and saying "Sup Doc, my toe hurts and is the skin is discoloured, has oedema and has poor capillary refill. I think I has an bakteareal inpheckshun!11!!oneoneeleven!! plees halp ans gives me sum Erythromycin " and then she's all like "Rongoz plz...j00 has teh chillblains phrom t3h warez of steeltoed boots in Kanadianz wintor wif thin sox. wtf, |2 j00 a fokken retard? take sum of ur goldz and go buy sum wintar b00tz ans warm sox u caksuxng fgt" I'm not going to sit there are argue with her diagnosis and suggested treatment, because frankly, she knows a hell of lot more than I do about it. I'm also going to comply with her suggestion, not because I'm submitting to her, but because it will make my toe better.

Delegating a task or decision to someone is not per se a submissive act either. "Hey Sergeant! Get over here!"....'Sir!"...."I need you paint some identifiers on those vehicles over here <gives details about what they're suppose to convey>" ....'Lt, should I do it with Times New Roman or Arial stencil and should I do it in red or black?"...."Don't really care...whatever you think would look best/be most visible and legible, Sgt. AS DETAILED DIS-MISSED!"

I'm delegating to him both to a) save me the effort of thinking about it b) Since he is doing it, he is going to be in a better position to evaluate what colour and font would look best or be most legible on the particular colour of those vehicles, taking into consideration the particular nature and tone of the paints we have available.
 
This is a really interesting thread and I'm not really sure what the answer is but I don't think everyone wants to be the alpha male. For example, I'm generally a more quiet person (especially when meeting new people) but will open up to people once I know them better. Not to mean I'm socially retarded and hyperventilating in the corner of the dancefloor at a club trying to work myself to talk to a girl, but I just take my time in choosing who I'd like to share myself with (not just in a sexual way). Relating to this, I LOVE shy girls. When I see girls that get a bit nervous and aren't dressed out to kill I'll definitely start up a conversation with them. If I was to see a '10' I probably wouldn't really try unless I caught her eye and she smiled or something because I figure since she's putting that much effort into her looks I'm going to assume she wants some Brad Pitt 6 pack looking guy who puts in the same effort (note: I'm not fat and ugly I swear!).

When I go out in Sydney here a lot of the people seem to be pretty stuck up depending where you go. I'd just rather not play the egotistical game of trying to show every one up at the club by wearing the nicest clothes, having the hottest girls, etc. A lot of really cool people have been out of towners and you can just tell their more relaxed and easy going by the way they dress, dance, etc. I'm not trying to say that if you're good looking your shallow or anything but for me a stereotypical good looking girl seems almost like a really pretty blow up doll - it just don't seem real.

There was actually a really funny story where at a uni party all my mates were saying that this really pretty girl really liked me. Now this chick was studying law and came from a great family, had everything going for her, etc. I honestly though everyone was taking the piss and at a party people are saying to me I should approach her or whatever but I just wasn't having any of it. I'm not the scum of the earth or anything but I don't really have a set plan for my life and am still figuring things out so it made no sense to me why she'd be interested. So basically I don't approach her at the party and one of my mates pays me out in one of the funniest ways I've ever heard. You know those times when you get paid out so well you don't even retaliate and just laugh at yourself? Yeah. He comes up to me (note I'm vegetarian) and says "Eric B top marks for effort on giving up the meat, but you gave up the wrong one you fucking idiot!". Funny shit. I actually think they weren't taking the piss either haha. No idea what the girl was thinking :P
 
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