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Speculation: dmt is mostly smoked, or taken orally. intranasally is almost never an option because of the pain produced by the intake, a pain like that is a nuisance while you're tripping your balls off.

but intranasal also has its virtues, it doubles the duration of the trip and makes the come up much more smoothly, therefore providing an experience that can be incorporated more easily than smoked dmt. A minature aya trip. Some people also report not being able to properly smoke the vapors, regardless of the drug's purity.

If one could by-pass the pain problem, then insufflated dmt might be more suitable to some. the question is how to do this? There are topical gels that provide temporary anaesthesia, novocaine-style, but some, like benzocaine, are not advised to be put directly on the mucous membranes. what could one do in such case?
 
Is the normal extracted DMT freebase or some sort of salt? I don't know much about the extraction teks, more about synthetic production, but maybe it's the same thing as 2C-B: it's the HCl salt that burns, not the freebase.
 
freebase is going to burn like hell, too. Probably more- where salts are close to neutral, that's not the case with freebase alkaloids.

most teks turn the DMT into a salt.

isn't DMT freebase an oil?
 
Almost all the TEKs for smoking produce the freebase, as they are crystalisations or evaps of a non-polar extract of a basic aqueous mixture.

freebase DMT is a low mp solid mp 40-55oC depending on purity, and an oil if impure.
the HCl salt of DMT will not crystalise, but the fumarate and maleate salts crystalise well.
 
The form would be DMT freebase, thats what most people have nowadays I reckon, because most is from extracts.

Supposedly, dmt burns like hell up the nose, and recquires roughly the double amount that you'd smoke to get those effects. The overall duration of effects also increases by double or triple, it fits closely to the scheme of a standard K trip by IM. If it weren't for the pain, then intranasal would suit most people better, because of its more gradual take-over. If you like pretending to be a shaman, then even pain would be a luxury.

some people suggest cocaine. that would be stupid both for health reasons and for the experience itself. You wouldn't want that extra push, I suppose.
 
DMT freebase would produce little to no effects intranasally. One doofus mixed K and dmt once, and got some jeweled web of indra thingee, but nothing overwhelming like one would get by vaporizing dmt. BTW, he was disappointed with the combination, of which he had had much hope for. I don't recommend drugs, personally, but knowledge, I do. ;-)
 
I wouldn't think a salt would burn more than say AMT.HCl, which is bad, but not too bad. Another interesting route may be sublingual in DMSO, probably also better with a salt.

The vapour of a salt would probably be less corrosive to the lungs too, however i'm not sure if any salt could be vapourised without decomposition.

It's a baby! said:
Is the normal extracted DMT freebase or some sort of salt? I don't know much about the extraction teks, more about synthetic production, but maybe it's the same thing as 2C-B: it's the HCl salt that burns, not the freebase.
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I doubt anyone's snorted 2CB freebase, it being an oil! It would probably burn more too, as Hamilton said, free amines are quite basic while the salts are close to neutral.
 
I thought that almost all salts..

decompose when you try to smoke them because their Boiling points are just too high for the bonds in the molecule to withstand. DMT thus must be provided as the free base This is as vector said a low melting solid often a brownish color from impurities and with rod like crystal form. It stinks, even when pure. I've often heard of people smoking cocaine hydrochloride and saying that they gett a buzz, but invariably these reports arre from rolling the cocaine salt with tobacco. There are a lot of basic alkaloids in tobacco, and these reports may be cases of "in-situ freebasing". I don't know. I don't think that i've ever had "the real thing"=D
 
Well meth.HCl is smokeable, as is (i think) AMT.HCl. And a lot of the DOX / 2CX salts, although these may decompose to some extent while doing so.

I'm not sure what form of AMT Shulgin's referring to in the tihkal entry. The HCl salt sure is horrible though, so maybe scratch my idea of the salts being easier to smoke! They're undoubtedly better for snorting though.

Anyone know of anyone trying the sublingual thing, with a salt in DMSO? Seems it should work and be relatively comfortable.
 
By several accounts plus a generous amount of time devoted to investigation, I can say that freebase DMT is definitely active. One could argue about the HCl salt or other types may be more comfortable to snort, etc. but in the end i think the question went out of line. Personally, I think that snorting a salt form compared to the freebase would not derpive the experience from the pain, though perhaps it would be more suitable for the mucous membranes, in terms of healthcare. HCl would burn like softer pepper, freebase like stronger chili.

Snorting cocaine is out of the question, take into account that you are already under adrenal stress and you don't want to put another stimulating agent, that would only result in extreme anxiety at best (=euphoria to a few i guess) and at worst, heart problems. anyways, the idea is to experience the stuff by itself.

Also, apparently, the DMT salt is not smokeable, and if one were to use this type, one would rather ingest it orally or injected. You don't read much about injected dmt because you can't put oily freebase in a syringe, or into your veins. I reckon most of this injected dmt must be synthetic, or manipulated by competent biochemists.

specialrelativity: could you be more specific about your friends k+d experience? how much did he took of both, forms, and more about the effects? it seems very interesting.

it is agreed that a numbing agent with no psychoactivity would be the only decent to go. ketamine for numbing the nose would just be out of place, as is cocaine, although the k combination sounds very interesting.
 
DMT freebase is definitely active intranasally and i find the burn not that bad. a small line of dmt is about comparable to a larger line of mdma (crystals visible with the eye, not powder). but that does not yeald a breakthrough dose or anything near that. i find it useful as sensory enhancer. it's very wasteful though, you could be as high for a longer amount of time if you smoke the same amount…
i would love to try snorting a dmt salt if i came to have some fumaric acid. are any other salts known to form well except the fumarate and maleate salts? has anyone tried with citric acid or vit. c?
 
You can get lidocaine to crystallize out of bactine with a couple of drops of ammonia. Now I'm not sure exactly how the Ca2+ channel blocking effects of lidocaine would interact with the effects of dmt, but I doubt it would be a problem if a small line of lidocaine were done 5-10 minutes prior to insufflation of the dmt. Absorption of lidocaine freebase isn't very good, which makes it better as far as preventing an untoward interaction, but it is good enough to be effective topically.
 
The burn is not that bad actually. 45mg insufflated produced a medium longish (20min) plateau for me. It was a very nice trip, definitely would repeat.

I'd like to do 100mg.

Why is this in advanced section? We've discussed this two or three times in the big and dandy DMT threads (one at least is archived now). Each time those of us that have done DMT intranasally pipe up and share our stories (one guy shares stories of a +4 trip from 100mg insufflated).

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