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DMT the ultimate psychedelic state of mind.

boti420

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First a Lil background, I consider myself a psychonaut, I trip ever 3 months, it's my way of cleaning out my brain and working thru any n all issues I might have as well as reevaluate where the path of life is taking me. I've tried damn near as many different psychedelics as to out me in the top 10% of trippers on who's tried the largest variety of psychedelics, but this isn't a pissing contest as I'm sure many on here are way more experienced, I used to trip much more often along the lines of 3-5 times a month for about 10 yrs before I settled down to 4x yearly.


So my question is, there seems to be an upper ceiling as to psychedelic effects. Basically there's a point where you just can't trip any harder than you are. With Lsd I took 17hits, my research pointed to 1000mcg (1mg) as being the point at which taking more has no additional effects on the trip besides maybe prolonging the duration. When I did take those hits I definitely reached a point where I cannot in any way whatsoever imagine the trip getting any stronger. Now that's the ceiling for lsd, I'm curious is there a general ceiling of effects that when u reach it your in the ultimate most extreme state of consciousness possible short of death? A point where your tripping as hard as it's possible to trip, there is no psychedelic state that's more intense. I do believe there's such a ceiling, then way to reach it is by smoking dmt.

So do you guys agree n if so what do you consider to be the way to reach the ultimate psychedelic state of mind. I know some people will say Salvinorin A will take u to the ultimate trip, but personally Salvinorin A is much different from classic psychedelics. I've read trip reports of people mixing a full breakthrough dose of dmt with a full breakthrough dose of Salvinorin A. That, in my humble opinion, is just Fucking nuts. However experienced and capable of handling trips I may consider myself to be I know that that combination is beyond anything I'd be able to handle without either shitting myself or even worse being scarred to the point I can't trip anymore.

In the next few weeks I'll be trying some dmt which I haven't done in almost 7 years n even then I never did a breakthrough dose, I've waited so long because I've been intimidated by the sheer power of dmt, but now finally I find myself ready to experience what dmt has to offer, the ultimate psychedelic experience. So will dmt be the most intense psychedelic experience I've ever had, and that's exactly what I want to experience. Will dmt give me that effect? Will I reach a point where any and every other psychedelic I ever take will always be less intense than this experience? Or is there a substance that will give me an even more intense trip?

I know this post is a little all over the place, to sum it up is there an upper limit to the intensity of a psychedelic experience where your tripping as hard as you can possibly trip, I think so but want other thoughts on this, if there is a upper limit is dmt the ticket to reaching it, once again I think so but don't know, if not what substance can possibly make you trip harder? Thanks.

PS any suggestions on how I should approach a full breakthrough dmt trip? I treat psychedelics with the utmost respect and reverence. It the flesh of God in my opinion, whitish why I waited years n years after a subbreakthough trip, j wanted to be sure I'm ready n also I was scared of it. I know dmt can be one of you every most euphoric experiences a human can have, beyond even heroin or mdma or any drug for that matter, but to reach a state of ultimate heavenly bliss you must travel the path through a state of extreme utmost terror to reach it. Should I expect to be completely terrified as the trip is beginning? Having your ego destroyed is always a frightening event that much more when it's done almost instantly, but once it's dissolved you no longer fear n you experience pure bliss, the quickness of the dissolution with dmt makes me believe that only the beginning of the trip is terrifying but that quickly changes into bliss. Do you guys agree?

Any other input you can give me know my first breakthrough dmt trip, also as a side note I will be doing this while some Friends visit me n we're all gonna trip on acid together, we're also all gonna have our first full dmt experience but I've decided that I not a good idea to mix the two, at least for the 1st time, so would it be better to trip on the acid 1st then try the dmt a few days later or vice versa, I believe acid 1st is better idea cause if dmt is first than even several days later the dmt trip will have its influence all over the acid trip n I'm not sure I want that. Or let's get crazy, anyone tried dmt while peaking on another trip? Is that just too much overload? What about smoking some weed before hand, will that have a positive effect on the dmt as it sure as hell does on pretty much every other psychedelic I've smoked weed on. My philosophy when tripping has always been the dose myself before I begin smoking weed n not smoke until I reach the peak, j like to feel the full come up with a clear mind and know exactly what level my trip plateaus at without the interference of thc, once peaking I know where I stand so then I beginning smoking in earnest. Dmt is a little different in that regard so should I smoke weed before hand or just trip sober?
 
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I agree their is a ceiling to psychedelic effects, it is the moment of death/life and all existence and nonexistence. Where you just can't get any higher because their is no such thing as high their is no such thing as YOU.
The only substance I have found that will create this experience each time is 5-meo-dmt.

For me n,nDMT is not the earth shattering life-death-all-in-all experience. It is more of a spirit state.

Their is a lot out there on methods for breaking through on n,nDMT. I do it with 2 good sized hits around 30mgs for me. In a very quiet peaceful environment, I meditate, relax, breathe, have a cup of tea before I smoke it. After I smoke it a lay on my back and take calm deep breaths, relax, and that does it for me.
I have heard others say the relaxation is key, that is probably true.

I had a bad experience mixing DMT with a phen before now I am careful what I mix it with I have never tried mixing with LSD but I have heard reports it doesn’t go well with some people. I only mix DMT with similar substances like shrooms, which it mixes very well for me.
 
You only have so many brain receptors - once those are occupied the rest just floats round your bloodstream till you piss it out. But the thing is if someone knows that they've taken a big dose then their imagination and hysteria will do a lot of the "intensifying" of the trip for them. I imagine once you're over 500-1000mics of acid you could give someone a gram - as long as you told them it was 500mics.

I've always taken DMT orally - it's no particularly intense or scary, it's a very beautiful, very psychedelic and sacred experience. Absolutely the best oral psychedelic, also the best bodyhigh I've ever experienced on anything including MDMA. Only thing that gets a bit annoying is the initial vomiting.
 
i would smoke the DMT while sober, not after smoking weed.

i haven't broken through on DMT yet, so i can't really answer your other questions. for me, even sub breakthrough is much more intense than LSD, but it's also very shortlived, so it's a completely different type of trip - apples vs. oranges situation. i really like LSD a lot, and one reason is the long duration.

i've wondered before trying DMT if that breaking through would be like the "ultimate trip" and worried that it might sort of ruin my future trips on less intense psychedelics like LSD. i kinda see now, that it is not likely. they are just so different. but DMT does certainly seem more "intense" than L.

another drug that is on the same level of sheer intensity as DMT is DPT. i've never tried that either, just read about it.
 
DMT completely overrides anything I mix it with even at sub-breakthrough doses. I do find the experience to be less anxiogenic than going from sobriety to DMT space though, using another psychedelic as a launch pad
 
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