Tryptamines [DMT Subthread] Injection

[skillet]

If it's being injected in the documentary, it's almost certainly not freebase. Probably the fumarate salt.

Sure it is, lots of drugs are ok to inject.

 

[vibrancy3]

^^^^^^ this !!!

ill stick to the good old fashioned smoking method thruogh lol

 

[Addam]

I've found (for myself, I'm certainly not advocating or recommending it to anyone) that IV DMT fumarate is more to my taste than smoking the freebase. It takes care of any question I might have about dosing, about whether I'll be able to vape it all in time or hold it in adequately, or whether product will be lost due to burning/improper vaporizing technique. No hacking and coughing either.
I can prepare an exact dose, and prepare it for administration knowing exactly what effects I'm going to experience. Really takes care of any anxiety I experience related to the possibility of human error.
But I think smoking/vaping is a more than adequate ROA for most people. If it ain't broke, don't fix it

 

[Incunabula]

Is the DMT used in the documentary DMT: The Spirit Molecule freebase? I wouldn't imagine heating up freebase crystals and injecting it. It seems like one would lose a lot of alkaloids by heating it up with a spoon. I think DMT would be one drug that's okay to inject.

I have read the book, and it was pure synthetic DMT Fumarate that strassman injected into his "volunteers".
He got it manufactured from a professional laboratory in the US. Probably a pharmaceutical company, I don´t remember which one precisely.
He could do this because he obtained a permit for it, from what ever government agency (FDA?) who takes care of this kind of stuff, so it was all fully legitimate experiments done in a controlled environment in a hospital.

Read the book!! it´s much better than the documentary. Not that the documentary is bad or anything. it´s really okay aswell.

 

[Incunabula]

It seems like one would lose a lot of alkaloids by heating it up with a spoon.

By the way, Don´t try to inject DMT extracted from plant material, it has to be pharm grade synthetic of high purity.

Some one probably knows more about this than me, but still....

 

[vibrancy3]

I've found (for myself, I'm certainly not advocating or recommending it to anyone) that IV DMT fumarate is more to my taste than smoking the freebase. It takes care of any question I might have about dosing, about whether I'll be able to vape it all in time or hold it in adequately, or whether product will be lost due to burning/improper vaporizing technique. No hacking and coughing either

I would really like to experience the full spektrum of dmt by IV'ing (Injecting always gives a stonger and longer high from what i have heard) but i will never touch needles not even when my 2nd favourite drug comes into play. thruogh i respeckt anyone who uses the method and gets decent results.

Anyone interested in trying dmt, i would reccomend smoking a small amount to start with lke Addam said

 

[PROZ4C]

So I can just grind up some mimosa bark, put it into a syringe and inject it right?

 

[vibrancy3]

So I can just grind up some mimosa bark, put it into a syringe and inject it right?

that's some really bad trolling there

 

[OrphicTrench]

I would really like to experience the full spektrum of dmt by IV'ing (Injecting always gives a stonger and longer high from what i have heard) but i will never touch needles not even when my 2nd favourite drug comes into play. thruogh i respeckt anyone who uses the method and gets decent results.

Anyone interested in trying dmt, i would reccomend smoking a small amount to start with lke Addam said

Injecting does provide a longer trip, but really not as strong. Not as strong at all. [source: Terrence Mckenna's Food of the Gods] I compare the potency of the effects as when you chew salvia and when you smoke it. When you smoke salvia, you're full blown into a parallel dimension. When you chew it, you feel the effects and trip very nicely, without the extreme intensity. It also lasts longer.
Even if salvia and dmt have little in common, I hope my comparison is clear. You really won't experience the full spectrum of the dmt experience if you are doing it IV. Exactly as you won't experience the full spectrum of the salvia experience if you chew it. Although, each ROA has its own advantages and experiencing the full effects isn't suitable for everybody.

 

[artic]

^^I really enjoy chewing salvia. It is much more enjoyable than smoking for me.

I would definitely like to try injecting DMT, but it would have to be the fumarate salt and procured from a good source. I would also like to try injecting LSD. Personally, I am only interested in injecting psychedelics. Has anyone tried sub-lingual administration of DMT? I had a hit in a bowl one time that I was walking with and a bit melted onto my thumb so I rubbed it on my gums. It was a small amount, but I did notice a head change. I suppose it could have been placebo, though.

 

[carltonville]

Injecting does provide a longer trip, but really not as strong. Not as strong at all. [source: Terrence Mckenna's Food of the Gods]

in the dmt study they injected tons of dmt. there's only so much one can smoke without blasting off and not being able to smoke again. like 5 and 6 mg.

 

[Solipsis]

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[skillet]

in the dmt study they injected tons of dmt. there's only so much one can smoke without blasting off and not being able to smoke again. like 5 and 6 mg.

Yeah I find it hard to believe that you can't get to the same level by IV, and you would get the whole dose in your bloodstream in seconds, while smoking must take a minute or two. I'm sort of tempted to try it, I've gotten practically nowhere smoking, it's just too harsh. I'd probably start with IM though, if I can pluck up the courage to inject myself...

 

[MetroDisaster]

Injecting does provide a longer trip, but really not as strong. Not as strong at all. [source: Terrence Mckenna's Food of the Gods] I compare the potency of the effects as when you chew salvia and when you smoke it. When you smoke salvia, you're full blown into a parallel dimension. When you chew it, you feel the effects and trip very nicely, without the extreme intensity. It also lasts longer.
Even if salvia and dmt have little in common, I hope my comparison is clear. You really won't experience the full spectrum of the dmt experience if you are doing it IV. Exactly as you won't experience the full spectrum of the salvia experience if you chew it. Although, each ROA has its own advantages and experiencing the full effects isn't suitable for everybody.

- IV Injection completely immerses you, in a totally convincing way and for a long time. If there is anybody on Bluelight who has taken a full dose and says it isn't strong, please PM me

Seriously though, Injecting DMT is not for the faint of heart. I have injected DMT thrice, the first lasted about 15 minutes..during which i was not in any way locked to the perspective that i call Metro. after 15 more i took another shot. I'll post my report from that one in a new thread, i must find time to write though


I've smoked, drank, rubbed, IM shots, snorted lines of dmt. it's great - you get a preview of the experience.

I'm home, alone, out is cold in is warm, i have 120 mgs neatly packed dmt-hcl.

one hour afterwards i had none. two doses of 60 mg each had been loaded into two syringes, the first was taken immediately and the second was taken after
30 minutes.

it was so wonderful and the serenity didn't leave me for a long time. since then i have taken a toke now and then, not even to get visuals but the recharge the serenity

i'm finished with the exploration, i understand DMT all the way.

there is one thing that is better than DMT-IV..i still had that to look forward to.

Metro

 

[Solipsis]

What is the one thing better than DMT I.V. ? (Hehe I was reminded of DSM-IV)

Also I assume this is with synthetic? Extracts seem like a bad idea, maybe if thoroughly cleaned and purified very well and gone through a wheel filter but still... I have some synthetic and I keep it for when I want to I.M. it at one point. Probably best would be together with ketamine.

120 mg seems like an insanely big amount, to trip extremely hard is one thing but I would expect pure DMT in that dose to cause a blackout and therefore to go way beyond a sensible attempt at a super strong trip.

But I say 'seems', I don't know enough about this.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

So surprised to see people say IM DMT is a waste. I wonder if they have actually tried it that way.

Synthetic or natural, what's the difference? Personally I trust an alkaloid I extract myself and clean, to a white powder by way of China. No offense to the Chicoms of course. I just can't see how one can make themselves think they have 'lab grade' anything when they purchase a chemical on the grey market. If I extract and clean it myself, I know its pure.

Mimosa hostilis extracts have been subjected to great scrutiny as far as GCMS and TLC because of the whole 'jungle spice' thing....and time and time again, extracts from this plant will only have DMT, perhaps DMT-N-oxide, and perhaps NMT. Other alkaloids in the bark do not survive the extreme PHs used to extract the DMT. Other than tannins (that do not make it into solvents), there isnt anything else that can be in DMT from hostilis unless the person extracting it was sloppy.

I wrote in another thread about invisible water bubbles that are going to be in a pull. If your solvent looks cloudy, there is water (with lye, or washing soda) in it. Let your pull settle for 24 hours with some anhydrous magnesium sulfate on the bottom, and then carefully remove the solvent from that jar and transfer to another. You can even let it settle again if you would like, it simply means less work later on.

I am not going to rewrite the instructions on how to clean DMT...but if you can get your freebase DMT clean, gleaming clear/white, then make the fumaric salt, and wash that several times in food-grade acetone...again it should be bright white.....it is impossible that plant oils or residual lye will be present. Remember to crush the DMT fum. in the acetone so any trapped solvent, or plant gunk is freed from the crystal matrix and carried away with the acetone.

As an aside, lye is actually in this .9% sodium chloride solution I have for making injectables. I guess to make it neutral? No idea.

 

[Addam]

I feel you MGS.
I believe I'm making another journey with it this weekend. This time upping it to 115-120mg IM.

 

[cj187]

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