DMT in a dream

[webbykevin]

Last night I had one of if not THE most profound, strange and confounding dream experiences of my life, and at age 45 i have had plenty of bizarre dreams.

I dreamt I was with Terence mckenna, and we were in a series of locations from my early childhood, I wasn't a child in this dream but we were in those early locations, anyway I was trying to show terence this bag of orange crystal that I had and was trying to convince him that it was DMT, he was kind of aloof and suggesting that I had not had the real shit.

So I said, OK then, give me the real stuff, at wiich point the dream got totally bizarre.

Terence leans over me and coughs up out of his throat this tiny plastic bag with a brownish white powder in it and proceeded to load some kind of brass pipe, he is walking along behind me but kind of holding the back of my head with one hand and holding this pipe to my lips with the other hand, and I could clearly taste the acrid burning plastic taste of DMT.

We are walking along this kind of corridor and these strange translucent entities that were in classic tryptamine colours start appearing walking or moving rapidly in front of us. they were kind of like a cross between goblins and merry go round horses.

Then I am lying flat on my back with my knees drawn up (in the dream this is) and i can feel these hands on my legs holding me down and pressing down on my, forcing me to curl up into more of a fetal ball.

I start to resist and say "NO NO NO I don't want this" at which point I am standing up or sitting up and terence is behind me again reaching around my head and holding a brass/wooden bowl about half the size of a tea cup that contains some clear liquid that he forces me to drink.

I collapse to the floor now lying flat on my back and there are 3 children (maybe more but at least 3) sitting and standing on top of my chest, one of them is forcing his foot down really heavily onto my solar plexus as if trying to impale me or something, I go through a few micro second of thinking "I should just go with this, don't panic" but then I catch a glimpse of the face of one of the children and it is so wrong, so not quite human (vibrant aquamarine eyes) that I resist, I can't help resisting, again I try to say "No I don't want this" but all that comes out is a long slow "Nooooooo" as if you were playing a vinyl record and 1/4 speed.

I glance at terence who is now bright green, like his whole skin is an emerald green looking impish and like some kind of pixie or elf, I remember clearly thinking "I must get my camera and get a photo of him right now because it would make one hell of an image".

Then blam, full DMT breakthrough experience, absolutely indistinguishable from the real thing, the flower mandala thingy that then rips apart and I am propelled into the dome, I have had a few full NN DMT breakthroughs and this is so real, so accurate that I am astounded.

then I wake up, sprawled out flat on my back with the room spinning and feeling exactly like I have actually just had a real life DMT flash, I prop myself up on one elbow and just lie there for a good 5 minutes staring at the room, unable to move, just mentally trying to process what the hell has just happened.

Like I said I have had many many strange dreams over the course of my life but NOTHING like this, and today, all day, it has been stuck in my mind.

How the hell can you dream about taking DMT and it actually happens and be so much like the real thing, the boundaries between the dream experience and the real experience were so blurred, so dissolved that I can't process it, I still can't process it 24 hours later.

Just wanted to share that and see if anyone else has had a DMT breakthrough in a dream context.

 

[freehugs]

Fucking awesome dream man :D

To answer your question, it could be because the pineal gland is thought to release DMT when you dream. Sounds quite amazing though, twas a good read.

 

[webbykevin]

Oh, I forgot the weirdest part, when i woke up, my laptop is turned on on the bedside table - it was off when i went to sleep, and it is open at youbube, on the "valley of novelty" Mckenna workshop paused about 1 hour in, I hit play for a few seconds and It's Terence in full rave about the DMT experience and the tykes, no one else is in the house.

As Mckenna often said, not only is the world stranger than we suppose, it is stranger than we CAN suppose.

 

[freehugs]

The world is a crazy place that's for damn sure. I love when shit lines up like that though

 

[TheAppleCore]

Ahah! That's amazing! Thanks for sharing!!

Maybe there is some truth in the theory that endogenous DMT is released during sleep, eh?

Or, the spirits of hyperspace decided to contact you on their own schedule.

 

[cannibalsnail]

No the whole DMT/sleep/pineal gland thing is a completely fabricated myth.

Lets apply Occams razer here.
Option 1: some supernatural force administered DMT to OP in his sleep and then magically turned on his laptop and played this video.
Option 2: OP is making shit up.

 

[webbykevin]

No the whole DMT/sleep/pineal gland thing is a completely fabricated myth.

Lets apply Occams razer here.
Option 1: some supernatural force administered DMT to OP in his sleep and then magically turned on his laptop and played this video.
Option 2: OP is making shit up.

i'm going to treat that remark with the contempt it deserves.

and inject my own theory.......

I am talking about a dream experience, and dreams as we all know can be whacky at the best of times.
The dream experience I shared was a particularly vivid and immersive dream on the dream intensity/weirdness scale.

The laptop mystery isn't too hard to fathom, I have a couple of mckenna channels in my bookmarks and in my youtube subscriptions, and with google chrome youtube is there as a big icon/link on the default browser tab

so i probably either rolled over in my sleep/dream and either accidentaly of subconsciously hit the power on button.

1 click of the mouse as my hand flops down on the lappy or the table and hits the mouse has apretty high chance of opening youtube and if the last thing i looked at was mckenna related perhaps it was currently the youtube address stored in the google cookie.

that sounds pretty probable or perhaps in a 3/4 asleep stupor i semi sleepwaked by leaning over and clicking on mckennas link as part of some weird mental crossover in my consciousness that melded the theme of the dream with the semi awake state.

and the reason i even mentioned it was in relation to the dmt trip in the dream and how it was so real and accurate that it was astounding, as a real dmt breakthrough is.

and i was asking to see if anyone else had experienced a similar effect.

so why would i make it up - fuck head - that shows much more about your personality and conditioning than mine.

get back in the play pen, some of us adults want to talk now.

 

[Achten]

I once dreamed I did LSD and at the time it was the most intense dream I've ever had.
This was before trying any psychedelic, but I did read about them a lot.
When I finally did LSD (after first trying mushrooms and a few Shulgin creation's), it was *exactly* the same as the dream.

A life filled with wonder is a wonderful life.

 

[TangerinO]

i'm going to treat that remark with the contempt it deserves.

and inject my own theory.......

hahahaha what an excellent response.

I once had a dream that was similar. It was far less intense as you describe, it was not a breakthrough experience but nonetheless seemed remarkably similar to a real DMT experience.

I had a few months prior smoked DMT in my backyard, and had my arse absolutely handed to me by what I could call a red hue drenched tryptamine force as powerful as a truck.

In the dream I was in my garage, the entrance of which is perpendicular with where I had the experience if that makes sense to you. So I was in my garage and my friend dosed me with a huge amount of LSD and when I wandered outside I was seeing the exact same OEV's from said DMT experience, but from this alternate angle. The only difference was the addition of everything melting before I woke up.

Like I said not quite the same as your dream, yours is far more fascinating. This might keep me up sir.

 

[Solipsis]

LOL, you can always rely on McKenna to hack something up.

Well I am skeptical like cannabalsnail regarding the pineal gland theories. I highly doubt that it would be possible to dream a DMT breakthrough before you ever had DMT, including effects that are particular and special to DMT - that is also verified later by comparing dream journal entries with other people's DMT trip reports. In all other cases the most simple explanation is just that you relived those sensations in a way.
I have personal experience with tripping in dreams and sometimes the effects match a psychedelic trip very well and other times they don't. That happened mostly on the topic of LSD and that sure as hell isn't endogenous.

This is not at all about making shit up IMO, just that states of mind can be deceiving. You are welcome to your speculation based on sheer hypotheses and it would be wrong to say that it can only be impossible. Just be careful passing that speculation off as anything else.

 

[Transform]

I don't think it's unheard of to experience drug effects in dreams. I've tripped before. It was odd but really fantastic.

 

[webbykevin]

LOL, you can always rely on McKenna to hack something up.

Well I am skeptical like cannabalsnail regarding the pineal gland theories. I highly doubt that it would be possible to dream a DMT breakthrough before you ever had DMT, including effects that are particular and special to DMT - that is also verified later by comparing dream journal entries with other people's DMT trip reports. In all other cases the most simple explanation is just that you relived those sensations in a way.
I have personal experience with tripping in dreams and sometimes the effects match a psychedelic trip very well and other times they don't. That happened mostly on the topic of LSD and that sure as hell isn't endogenous.

This is not at all about making shit up IMO, just that states of mind can be deceiving. You are welcome to your speculation based on sheer hypotheses and it would be wrong to say that it can only be impossible. Just be careful passing that speculation off as anything else.

I too was skeptical about the pineal gland theorys, but after having the experience the doorway of possibility is now open a crack.

I agree with you that it highly unlikely your brain/mind/memory would be able to give you a realistic DMT breakthrough experience unless you had actually experienced one in real life (what is real ?) but as i pointed out I have had a number of actual breakthrough flashes on NN-DMT and 5MEO -DMT - this dream experience was a very immersible and accurate depiction of NN-DMT.

 

[TangerinO]

I too was skeptical about the pineal gland theorys, but after having the experience the doorway of possibility is now open a crack.

I agree with you that it highly unlikely your brain/mind/memory would be able to give you a realistic DMT breakthrough experience unless you had actually experienced one in real life (what is real ?) but as i pointed out I have had a number of actual breakthrough flashes on NN-DMT and 5MEO -DMT - this dream experience was a very immersible and accurate depiction of NN-DMT.

It's food for thought. That's for sure.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I don't think it's unheard of to experience drug effects in dreams. I've tripped before. It was odd but really fantastic.

^ Definitely, particularly if you've experienced the drug in question before.

I've had many drug dreams where I took a drug or various drugs, in most of the ones where I had previously not taken the drug I was greeted with what I expected the drug to feel like, which was often very different from the real experience - but with the drugs I'd already tried, many of the dreams I had where I took these drugs in the dream were very accurate and felt like the real thing.