DMT extraction solvent questions?

[xbLeAcHx]

Okay, i have successfully extracted dmt using a A/b process, using vm&p naptha. The product looked pretty nice and was high octane for sure. I got MHRB ready and was thinking of a few things i could change about the procedure to get the cleanest spice i can and the biggest yield but wanna hear some feedback on it before I consider.

1. Would doing a dry defat be a good step and be more effective at removing junk...just don't wanna remove any DMT by mistake? I hear xylene, toluene are good for this as well as ether. What about perchloroethylenen...it is very nonpolar and i hear of methylene chloride being used successfully?

2. I would do the acid simmers as usual, i would choose HCL. I need a solution of ph 2 -4, what is the correct ratio of 37% muriatic to make a HCl solution within that range.I've always worried about when concentrating the large volumes of acidic liquid that the ph would get too low? Is that something to worry about, can too low of a ph ruin it? or should i just make sure it doesnt get too hot. I would get the volume down to a reasonable amount and decant/filter out all teh crud i feasibly could which I would process seperately straight to base.

3. After I have my acidic solution containing my alcaloids my next questions are about solvents. I want to get high yield and high purity...I can always clean it up if a solvent pullled too much, or go back and pull with a different solvent.

1. What are the best extraction solvents and defatting solvents, i know that the last defat I should use the solvent that I will be extracting with after I basify the solution.

1. Would TCE (i.e. perc) tetrachloroethylene be a good extraction solvent. I am fond of it also because it evaporates quickly. To my knowledge it seems very non-polar and should pull clean dmt and not much else...it also forms a layer at the bottom which is way easier when seperating layers. Need some advice on this. TCE and such things as chloroform are chlorinated solvents, how does that affect the process, are they just stronger solvents or what"

1. I could also one pulls with xylene/toluene and maybe one of them with ether. I used naptha with success but was trying to find something better, more user friendly etc, and TCE seems attractive being that it sinks to the bottom.
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      4. Now whichever solvents i choose to pull with, once i have my solvent containing my freebase dmt I would pull the dmt into a highly polar acidic solution again to leave more junk that stayed in the organic layer.
      
      Then I would take this now highly clean aqueous phase containing my protonated dmt, basify and extract with heptane and freeze precipitate.
      
      
      I'm looking for encouraging feedback, don't tell me that won't work ur a dumbass, tell me why its wrong and give me helpful suggestions.

 

[szuko000]

It just seems like you like making this process complicated. Why dont you do a STB followed by an n-heptane recrystallization? In the end your just spending more money and complicating something thats already fairly easy to do very well on.

If you wish to experiment thats fine. I suggest not using xylene or toluene because thats what i use to pull out the rest of the shit i left behind including but not limited to all the remaining dmt.

 

[greenmeanies]

if you have already perfected your a/b with naptha, i would STRONGLY suggest you do not change ANYTHING about your process.

With MHRB, there is no need to de-fat.

TCE/PCE and other chlorinated solvents are more harmful to the environment, more costly to make, and more dangerous to your health. Stick to plain aliphatic naptha and mama earth will thank you

Xylene/Toluene are indeed "stronger solvents" and will pull out more plant muck, including the red "jungle spice" that may or may not be "juremamine" a possible psychotropic that hasn't had much real study done on it. Be aware that any DMT that is sitting in xylene will NOT precipitate in the freezer. It must be evaporated, which necessarily ends up a "dirty" product that must be recrystallized in heptane anyway!

Edit: oh yeah, also remember that each time you go from phase to phase, you are losing 1-5% of your yield. So keep it simple and you'll be golden.

 

[Solipsis]

The octane rating relates to the quality for use in fuel engines (and tendency for 'knocking'), hi-octane does not mean it is especially nice for DMT extractions. Rather I think that what you want are shorter and linear hydrocarbons like n-heptane and n-hexane and mixtures of such compounds and not the iso ones and heavier naphtha fractions. Shorter and linear hydrocarbons also tend to have lower boiling points I think.

37% muriatic acid is 12M. A pH of 2-4 corresponds to [H3O+] = 10^-2 to 10^-4 M
divided by 12M you that that you need to dilute by a factor of approximately 12000, which is I think 0.83 ml of acid for every liter of water. But you should definitely get pH paper to test this. It is extremely easy to do this incorrectly and get a wrong acidity that will completely ineffectively extract DMT.

Instead of focussing on uncommon solvents which is a total waste of time (sorry), focus your energy on getting pH paper or better yet, an electronic measuring device.

Not only is it very possible to get really clean DMT with only coleman fuel (or similar naphtha) and lye and acid, in my opinion it is not even worth putting in a lot of effort because pure DMT is less nice to smoke than slightly impure DMT because there are a few extra alkaloids in that that imprive the trip. That doesn't mean you want orange gunk and plant fats, I don't mean that. But there aren't that many plant fats in Mimosa rootbark anyway so no defat is necessary only a few extractions going from non-polar to polar to non-polar and back again. Go back and forth like 3 times and you have excellent stuff. Greenmeanies is right that you lose product doing this so changing phases 3 times is for better quality but lower yield while 2 times gives higher yield but lower quality. Personally I think I might prefer doing it 2 times. Not because I am lazy and neither because I think yield is essential, but for the reason I gave earlier that the impurities are actually NICE.

It is NOT worth using toxic solvents that if you are not careful to evaporate and separate cleanly are carcinogenic and shit.

Indeed xylene and toluene are not used for extracting only DMT but for extracting red jungle spice, which may contain DMT but also other alkaloids, and a lot more than the extra ones I meant earlier. Not that there is a big problem with red jungle spice, on the contrary but it is a bit of a different (and mysterious) 'animal' and probably too far from pure DMT than it sounds you wanna go.