DMT/Changa + MOAI's (Blue Lotus, Caapi 10x + Unknown)

[tranq]

This was my first DMT experience.


I had been hunting for DMT in its cyrstal form for sometime when a friend of mine offered me "Changa" I purchased 3 grams and was told that it contained a mixture of 3 MOAI's + DMT Enhanced leaf, The ratios of each were unknown. I was told that one full average size cone would be a sufficient amount to trip reasonably hard, In retrospect i would say that I dosed around 20mg of DMT on my first dose then around 35 mg on my second dose.

The trip report is split into 2 sections, the first covering the smaller dose and the second the larger dose.

Note: I cant remember the second dose aswell as the first so it is less detailed.

Setting: Bedroom, late at night, Psych/stoner rock music playing, Minimal lighting.

Trip:

I had been somewhat apprehensive about dosing a substance because I was not completely sure of the dosage and ratios of the MOAI herbs in the changa mix, so I decided I would smoke a small amount to try and judge the strength of it.

0:00 - Load a small cone and begin taking a hit, the first thing i notice is that the smoke tastes like almost nothing, but the smell of it was DISGUSTING, i have to say that the smell did put out some bad vibes, but I was also pleasantly surprised that the smoke was not harsh at all, i believe this may of been because I never smoke bongs and are used to the harshness of a pipe that I used to smoke cannabis.

I held the smoke in for about 5 seconds then blew it out of my bedroom window, after about another 3-5 seconds i felt a strange body load and noticed motor control was heavily reduced i quickly put the bong down and rushed over to my bed and lied down.

0:05 - Lying down on my bed waiting for any effects, the strange body load got quite intense and it felt like i was floating. At this point i was not getting any visuals, this was to be expected as I did not smoke a full cone of the substance.

0:10 - Noticing minor psychedelic effects on my thought process, i did not find this enjoyable and found myself wishing it would end quickly. To combat this i changed the music to some up beat psych trance.

0:12 - Notice that the music sounds very very crystal clear and sounds like it is inside of my head and that the sound-waves where being generated inside of my head not from the speakers, i thought this was very cool and came to the conclusion that the speakers were emiting a signal that could not be heard with my physical ears but had to be decoded in my brain to be able to be heard, hence the feeling of the music coming from inside of my head.

0:15 - Closed my eyes notice very minor CEV but at this point i was feeling very anxious and wanted the trip to be over, so I fired up my laptop and started talking to a fellow Blue-lighter to try and focus my attention on something else. As soon as I opened the lid of my laptop and the screen turned on my exact words were "Holy fucking shit that looks weird" the screen looked like I was looking into a window of something that was physically real but covered by glass, Similar to viewing a 3d tv but only the depth effects not the effects of objects extending out of the screen into the "real" world.

0:20 - after talking to my friend for about 10 minutes I began to come down and feel almost normal again but with a very mild "stoning" effect that I noticed when trying to walk around my room.

1 hour break

Second dose.


0:00 Pack my self a huge cone - This hit fills my lungs to maximum capacity and i hold it in for 5 seconds, as like the first time the smoke was very easy to hold down but smelled fucking terrible. After 5 seconds i feel the same body load amplifed about 3 times and almost colapsed, somehow i managed to make it to my bed and lie down, i decided for this trip i was not going to try and eliminate all outside sensory stimulation (no music, no lighting) and let the DMT take me where it wants to.

0:03 laying in bed, close my eyes and my vision instead of being all "nothingness" or black as I would say, I saw a a faint white rectangular box that moved around the black nothingness i was seeing.

0:05 visual effects are fading and i notice the body load is quite unpleasant and i am feeling very anxious, i begin to anyalse why i am feeling anxious but cannot come up with a reason, this sent me into a weird thought loop - I am feeling anxious but there is no reason for me to be feeling anxious yet i am still feeling anxious.

0:10 still in thought loop, i thought that if i could reassure myself that there was nothing to be anxious about that the feeling would go away. This was not the case. I begin asking the DMT that if it will let the trip end that I wont touch it again. I felt that since there was no reason to be anxious it was the DMT that was punishing me for some reason.

0:15 At this point i am growing angry at the DMT so i boot up my laptop and start talking to my friend in a attempt to end the trip, this seemed to work.

0:20 Body load effects are still quite noticeable but the anxiety has left and I am feeling much more relaxed, Decide to chuck on some pink floyd and smoke a lot of cannabis.

0:30 cannabis relieves much of the anxiety and i decide to clean up my room to get my mind off the trip.


0:50 Decide to go to bed as it is 2:30 am and i have work the next day

0:55 as i begin to fall asleep i begin to have what I think is a delirum hallucination, i would enter a very light sleep and would enter a semi dream like state where i am still talking to my friend on MSN, (my laptop was turned off and packed away) it felt very very real, much like a lucid dream but more "real" feeling.

Not sure how long this lasted but I came out of this Dream like state a few times and was dumbfounded that I wasn't actually talking to my friend, I even remember bits of the conversation we were having. I soon fell asleep and woke up very tired the next day.


Summary: DMT is very weird and powerful, if you think it just makes you hallucinate and see things then you are wrong. Words cannot describe the profound effects it has on your mental process and your sense of what is real and what is not, what is actually happening and what is not.

I did not find this trip enjoyable or "fun" neither did i find it to be all that "bad", The only negative aspect was the extreme anxiety and thought loop that resulted because of this, at points i just wanted the trip to be over.


Respect this extremely powerful substance.

 

[pisspotnrock]

Very detailed and well written report.. changa is soo much different to crystal IME but that could just be because of the MOAI's.. it lasts too long for my liking...

This stuff sounds perfect for rolling into joints to take to doofs!! thats what Ima be doin soon

Respect this extremely powerful substance.

QFT..

 

[tranq]

This stuff sounds perfect for rolling into joints to take to doofs!! thats what Ima be doin soon

I think setting is super important, doofs would be an ideal place to smoke this stuff, because the vibes are sooo damm good at doofs and you are around people u are comfortable with. The body load may present a problem tho.

As we disgusted before, this is may be due to the MOAI's interaction with certain foods u may have eaten.

 

[tranq]

0:12 - Notice that the music sounds very very crystal clear and sounds like it is inside of my head and that the sound-waves where being generated inside of my head not from the speakers, i thought this was very cool and came to the conclusion that the speakers were emiting a signal that could not be heard with my physical ears but had to be decoded in my brain to be able to be heard, hence the feeling of the music coming from inside of my head.

This would be awesome at a doof

 

[Tyd]

I think you guys mean "MAOI's", not trying to be a dick, just in case someone else gets confused! Its a monoamine oxidase inhibitor. Nice report, though I wouldn't agree with your DMT estimates, 35mg is hugely powerful if its pure DMT. It sounded more like 10mg and 15mg doses in my opinion. Another thing, as far as I know theres no need for a MAOI if you're going to smoke it, thats only if you eat it. It is scary when you get that sudden change in perception and body load but I found it comforting to be honest, I felt as if something was picking me up and guiding me. Maybe you should try eating the changa next time, it may last a lot longer but would also be a more gradual journey.

 

[junkie skumbag]

^^^yer pretty sure they mean MAOI

great repot mate very detailed :D as tyd said it sounds more like a 10mg-15mg dose............when i had dmt powder i had a 15mgish dose and found it quite uncomftable.i got very very mild visuals but the body load was so uncomftable and the people around me could tell i wasnt feeling too good. ussaly when i had a 40mg dose i get the body load but it sort of goes away or cchanges n feels like im being lifted up and i cant open my eyes if i try............I find with dmt if your eyes are open you didnt have enough.........:D

 

[johannes kreisler]

...and if you had enough it doesn't matter if your eyes are open or closed.

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I don't have experience with changa but with smoked DMT and pre-dosed harmala (MAOi). seriously: I wouldn't advise anyone to smoke more than 20mg for the first time with MAO-inhibition. 35mg imo have the potential to change your life/leave you with PTSD. one of the best things I ever did nevertheless.

 

[pisspotnrock]

...and if you had enough it doesn't matter if your eyes are open or closed.

haha +1!

 

[Flickering]

Thanks for that report, I was in fact looking for a low-dose DMT account. I wonder if you would recommend DMT to someone with a fairly small catalogue of experiences, i.e. DXM thrice, mushrooms once, LSD twice and san pedro four times? I certainly think it would be wise to start with a low dose, experienced or not, unless you're intending to completely blindside yourself with an enormous mindfuck.

The idea of smoking one small hit, then smoking a larger hit an hour later, is an interesting one and I might try it. At larger doses, probably better to just do the one hit and leave a good time to absorb the experience.

 

[johannes kreisler]

@flickering: when I was less experienced with dmt I always recommended 20-25mg doses for beginners. today I feel something like 35mg is better. (if you smoke it right this is a breakthrough dose!)
in my - and others' - experience low doses of dmt tend to be confusing (like "wtf is just happening?! what is that? do I like that?..."), undefined and generally not enjoyable.
imo set, setting and GUIDANCE are more important than the actual dose. that being said: a dose of ~35mg is big enough to "wash you away" but not big enough to traumatize you. (if you're really afraid try smoking 10mg to get an idea of the bodyload/high, comeup-speed and smoking technique)

smoked DMT with mao-inhibition is a different game and imo the best for beginners as the experience is slowed down, tolerance is MASSIVELY reduced and you can gradually smoke yourself to the spot you're comfortable with.


btw: I introduced DMT to people with no/nearly no experience with psychedelics. no one did not like it. DMT can be brutally strong but it's also warm, gentle and loving - at least if you accept the experience and let things flow.

 

[Flickering]

Thanks. I've learnt the hard way not to overestimate myself with psychedelics, so I'll probably take that 10mg test dose first, but breaking through with 35mg also sounds like a good idea. Guess I'll see how I feel when I get there, a few months down the track. I'm really curious to see what my mind's like on DMT; I already get pretty unusual moods and thoughts when I'm sober.

 

[crOOk]

Eh I gotta write my changa report tomorrow. In case I don't - GODAMN the stuff was nasty. I've had hundreds of dmt experiences, but this was nothing like those at all. To paraphrase my earlier verbal report (in case I don't write a full report tomorrow... some might benefit off this since there is little info on the stuff).

Got ~250-400mg of herb he called Changa. I googled, came up with the info that it contains dmt and possibly an maoi. i couldnt smell the typical indole odor, so i decided id smoke it all in a joint which i quickly rolled and proceeded to absolutely violate the shit out of it. no instant rush as is the case with dmt, no dmt taste even... it was just consuming my assumption that its just another crappy herbal high without effects. what followed was a crappy herbal high with absolutely devastating effects, i was in for a physical hellride.
5-10mins later i start losing focus, so i put on dcd and lay down. expected no effects until this happens
-field of view very blurred, only the center being sharp. i guess thats always the case and just becomes very apparent
-start to feel "poisoned" within the first 5mins of laying down
-i get a little dizzy, stiff neck, extremely nauseous
-turn my face down so i could just puke out those McToast's whenever the urge swept over me. moving was out of question now.
-heart starts racing like crazy after aroun 15mins. start to think "this might just be a panic attack" since i had people coming over 3h later. breathing regular once i wiped that thought out, but still very uncomfortable
-pound pound pound the heart goes on, my face starts being periodically overcome by waves of heat, felt hot as hell, face is sticky and very sweaty
-my whole body feels hot. nausea growing like crazy, very stomach focussed nausea if that makes sense. just glad i dont have a big tummy so i can avoid pressure on the stomach while laying facedown. if this was a 5ht psychedelic, i wouldve puked 100 times over already and not have felt 10% as uncomfortable
-after an estimated 20-30 mins i also noticed my dry mouth. felt absolutely horrible, but was unable to leave the bed for another hour or so to get something to drink
-effects faded within 90-120mins id say, after which i actually enjoyed music more than i did before taking the stuff andf felt some sense of relaxation, closer to pot than to benzos or opiates.

during those first 30 minutes i noticed slight hints of the classical psychedelic visuals. the thing i focus becomes sharp and the rest of the world seems to be built up by the shapes i focus, as if everything thats not in the centre is just seen in relativity to the shapes in the sharp spot. very apparent on wallpapers or trees. very few visuals overall, some very slight ultra low dmt dose like stuff with closed eyes after a while...
pictures felt much clearer, photo/memory like than dmt, less abstract and colorful. my hands also looked trippy and extra plastic, setting themselves off from the background, yknow, but not as in multiple transparent layeres of tissue becoming visible... nothing major. threshold visuals

thought wise it wasnt very profound either. im no regular psychedelics user anymore. calling these visions "profane" would come much closer than "profound" though. i remember really odd stuff, like these two guys who looked like zz top, but all dressed in black with black hats. i also see a crossroads, one road clearly leads into damnation and im willingly heading down that one. didnt get any more profound than that lol. not particularly spiritual either, which dmt can do whatever mood im in.
basically most scenarios (thoughts/pictures) i had were ending in negativity. everything beautiful turned rotten. the physical discomfort was clearly the center of attention and the little psychedelia there was was just overshadowed by nausea, dizziness, sweating and my racing heart. on 2ce or mescaline i can puke my guts out and still feel absolutely looooovely. this felt almost as bad as od'ing on nicotine. in fact i suspected nicotine to have been in it. here are some other theories:

-nicotine (the hot flushes along with the nausea seemed very familiar, od'ed on tobacco twice, one time really bad with what seemed like many hours of puking (probably just 30mins)
-5-meo-dmt (since the little psychedelia was very much happening internally and at times i felt myself dissociate from my surroundings, its very hard to describe. ive always disliked 5meodmt and never handled it very well unlike dmt)
-maoi's harmala maybe? i had that 10-20 times and what i experienced back than at least didnt disagree to what i felt now. slight psychedelia, strong "body buzz".
-salvia divinorum (my skin felt kidna tingly, but not in a comfortable way. salvia does that in low doses or when effects linger from a breakthrough; also the more down-to-earth/dreamlike visions (less dmt like) were in the style of salvia. hard to interpret, sometimes extremely profane, but still absurd and sorta funny; no enjoyment/adverseness in reaction to the visions content)

i should add that i was taking tramadol for 5 days prior to this, first day without which usually has me experience stomach discomfort (massive shits, i convert tramadol to m1 extremely well and use enzyme inhibitors/inducers too. its basically my favourite overall opiate and im very prone to physical opiate withdrawal symptoms even after only a few days of constant use). also had like 10mg intranasal amphetamine phosphate 6h earlier (very high purity salt - teh good stuff!). also had an energy drink earlier.

sorry about the form of the report, better this than nothing though id say (thats why i didnt make a thread, to lazy to properly format it).
the morale of the story: dont smoke changa unless you know whats in it! and also: even professional drug users like me can still stupidly underestimate a drug's effects. also dont take herbs lightly just cause they suck lol and again: dont smoke just any shit someone passes to you (especially when its free... shouldve raised suspicion) unless you know whats in it!

btw the other guy i got it from has a lot of exp with 5ht and herbals, he said it made him pretty stoned, close to pot and someone from england (if i remember right) gave it to him.
who knows mightve just been another am2201 crap. placebo/nocebo, set and setting, am2201 has made me puke like crazy before, hot flushes and all too. stiff neck blah. i once thought i puked off 130mg rectal mdma, thought i got fucking piperazine rat poison stuff (again, it was free...), but months later (when i puked off am2201 for the 2nd time) realized that it was the am2001 that made me puke and just totally overpowered any of the mdma effects (it was most likely great molly).

i wont repeat the experience, thats for damn sure lol

 

[Thou]

Thanks for the admission crOOK, your admonitions are always welcome here, particularly if it's to be focused on N,N DMT.


I found this report odd and at first attributed his reaction to the maoi being present, which I think is a big no no without dietary restrictions and fasting first, but then again I'm a worry wort.

I've been noticing a few ayahuasca or 'pharmahuasca' preparations making the rounds recently, and this new (at least to me) term 'changa' getting quite a bit of exposure/use. Although, it was my understanding that changa also included some other alkaloids from the source plant as well but no admixture of MAOI containing plants, and have only seen pharmahuasca made with extracted and recrystalized dmt and [possibly] extracted syrian rue or caapi alkaloids? Supposedly just ayahusaca without the purgative effects, but I've not tried it so can't say for sure.

I don't think dmt meant for smoking should contain any maoi's, but that's just my opinion.

Sounds like a shit time you had crOOk, sorry to hear it but glad you came out okay. Who knows what nightmarish admixture of plants and/or chemicals was comprised of that awful brew. At least its over with, eh?

I've also been hearing 'jungle spice' and seen some product that was yellowish in nature, which looked like the half-assed results of a poorly carried out extraction. Is jungle spice synonymous with changa?

DMT, be it synthetic or isolated, has never caused me any problems and was so benign on the body as to precipitate pure delight in this lucky experimenter. Why change a good thing? Very odd.

 

[crOOk]

Thanks for the admission crOOK, your admonitions are always welcome here, particularly if it's to be focused on N,N DMT.


I found this report odd and at first attributed his reaction to the maoi being present, which I think is a big no no without dietary restrictions and fasting first, but then again I'm a worry wort.

I've been noticing a few ayahuasca or 'pharmahuasca' preparations making the rounds recently, and this new (at least to me) term 'changa' getting quite a bit of exposure/use. Although, it was my understanding that changa also included some other alkaloids from the source plant as well but no admixture of MAOI containing plants, and have only seen pharmahuasca made with extracted and recrystalized dmt and [possibly] extracted syrian rue or caapi alkaloids? Supposedly just ayahusaca without the purgative effects, but I've not tried it so can't say for sure.

I don't think dmt meant for smoking should contain any maoi's, but that's just my opinion.

Sounds like a shit time you had crOOk, sorry to hear it but glad you came out okay. Who knows what nightmarish admixture of plants and/or chemicals was comprised of that awful brew. At least its over with, eh?

I've also been hearing 'jungle spice' and seen some product that was yellowish in nature, which looked like the half-assed results of a poorly carried out extraction. Is jungle spice synonymous with changa?

eh ive had much shittier times on drugs before, but it was definitely nothing id want to repeat. id try a much smaller dose to see if i can get a decent buzz with pot... but then again: why not just stick to pot lol?
btw i had a lb of curds 4h before I smoked and 3 McDonald's ham and cheese sandwhiches (I swear I only go there once a year lol!)

There's a lot of discussion about what Jungle Spice really is. This is a pretty good text about it:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1115

I used to extract my dmt so I'd get white crystals, GC/MS and NMR hinted they were very clean. Eventually I stopped doing large extractions (because of the fire incident), actually stopped doing large extractions altogether. When I came back around for small extractions, my bark source had ceased to exist and I resorted to another source. Every source I've had so far yielded different products under different conditions. I can always get it shiney white, but I'll just use tons of precious product when converting brown to white. Sometimes I separate different fractions, sometimes I mix em together. If the output is relatively poor though, I won't bring it down another 50% by cleaning it up.

This is because I've realized that no matter how clean my material is, the dosage doesn't vary linearly with DMT content, meaning there must be other active ingredients. Which these are exactly is discussed in the link above, a lot of it remains speculation though. The finest fraction I ever got was extracted from relatively warm water (34°C?) with naphta. I'm not sure how I yielded it (else I would've reproduced it), but the result were beautiful red translucent crystals. The effects were very similar to n,n-dmt, but the experiences all seemed very profound even at doses below 20mg. The orgasmic body feeling upon return from hyperspace was much more pronounced from what i could tell and movement felt supersharp and precise afterwards. It always left me with a huge increase in appetite shorty after it was over which the white stuff never did.

Another freaky extract consisted of 1.5g black goo that emitted the typical indole smell. I thought I must've made a mistake and got lye into that product somehow, but it didnt react particularly alkaline in water (not that id know the exact molar mass, but it could be excluded from the weak reaction that the color was caused by contamination with the strongly alkaline mix of water/NaOH/plant matter). It didn't burn my tongue quite as bad as dmt would either. The consistency was very much like black afghan hash, but a tad softer. It was actually a much more pleasant smoke than i expected and provided a very mellow dmt experience, probably not more than 20% of the mass was dmt, assuming it was dmt only that was active. It might sound disgusting, but it actually seemed like a genuine extract that someone couldve willingly pulled from the plant. In the end a friend of mine decided to eat the whole gram, dissolved in some PEG400 and Propylenglykol, added some buffer and chugged that nasty looking black mud. He was at total peace for 1.5h, seemed it was indeed orally active. complained of some slight stomach comfort within a few mins after chugging, started drifting off maybe 10mins later. It wasn't particularly intense or profound he said, but very enjoyable nonetheless.

Anyway, as of now, these fractions have never been separately analyzed afaik, not that I'd know of a proper article anyway. About time someone analyzed all this stuff.

DMT, be it synthetic or isolated, has never caused me any problems and was so benign on the body as to precipitate pure delight in this lucky experimenter. Why change a good thing? Very odd.

I'm no big advocate of drug use and I don't like to paint things black and white, but that!^^ It actually feels healthy, refreshing, it has none of the bodily strain other psychedelics have on me (I really cannot exclude a single psychedelic there). I've gotten to a point where those 5HT psychedelics are all causing massive back pain, that simply is almost non existant without taking them and can last well into the next day, no matter how much yoga i do on the comedown lol. dmt on the other hand seemingly makes all physical discomfort or unease vanish for a limited amount of time. i know how ridiculous all that might sound to some (like a religious fanatic or something), but imho dmt should be much more thoroughly researched.
ita a godamn miracle, an actual tragedy that this substance is so unheard of among the general public, shit its not even common among drug users, eventhough its been one of the easiest substances to acquire. santo daime is growing, but aside from that it doesnt really receive much attention.


edit: regarding that maoi thing. my friend suspected that, too, but it surely wasnt maoi alone. ive had harmine and harmaline before and the little changa i had couldnt have contained any amount large enough tmake me feel so shitty. i dont remember exact dosages, but ive taken ~200mg or so back then without feeling so shitty if im not mistaken. and i actually once smoked crack on it which also went fine. wouldve to be around 20% harmine/harmaline in that herb mix id say for me to get a large dose like that off a tiny spliff. cant say the taste seemed familiar, it tasted just like any leaf from would taste lol.
so im pretty sure there was a hefty dose of maoi in there, but it was probably something else on top that made the experience as shitty as it was. OR maybe the lack of dietary restriction as you suggested... arent some dairy products problematic?

 

[Shamandrums]

This was my first DMT experience.


I had been hunting for DMT in its cyrstal form for sometime when a friend of mine offered me "Changa" I purchased 3 grams and was told that it contained a mixture of 3 MOAI's + DMT Enhanced leaf, The ratios of each were unknown. I was told that one full average size cone would be a sufficient amount to trip reasonably hard, In retrospect i would say that I dosed around 20mg of DMT on my first dose then around 35 mg on my second dose.

The trip report is split into 2 sections, the first covering the smaller dose and the second the larger dose.

Note: I cant remember the second dose aswell as the first so it is less detailed.

Setting: Bedroom, late at night, Psych/stoner rock music playing, Minimal lighting.

Trip:

I had been somewhat apprehensive about dosing a substance because I was not completely sure of the dosage and ratios of the MOAI herbs in the changa mix, so I decided I would smoke a small amount to try and judge the strength of it.

0:00 - Load a small cone and begin taking a hit, the first thing i notice is that the smoke tastes like almost nothing, but the smell of it was DISGUSTING, i have to say that the smell did put out some bad vibes, but I was also pleasantly surprised that the smoke was not harsh at all, i believe this may of been because I never smoke bongs and are used to the harshness of a pipe that I used to smoke cannabis.

I held the smoke in for about 5 seconds then blew it out of my bedroom window, after about another 3-5 seconds i felt a strange body load and noticed motor control was heavily reduced i quickly put the bong down and rushed over to my bed and lied down.

0:05 - Lying down on my bed waiting for any effects, the strange body load got quite intense and it felt like i was floating. At this point i was not getting any visuals, this was to be expected as I did not smoke a full cone of the substance.

0:10 - Noticing minor psychedelic effects on my thought process, i did not find this enjoyable and found myself wishing it would end quickly. To combat this i changed the music to some up beat psych trance.

0:12 - Notice that the music sounds very very crystal clear and sounds like it is inside of my head and that the sound-waves where being generated inside of my head not from the speakers, i thought this was very cool and came to the conclusion that the speakers were emiting a signal that could not be heard with my physical ears but had to be decoded in my brain to be able to be heard, hence the feeling of the music coming from inside of my head.

0:15 - Closed my eyes notice very minor CEV but at this point i was feeling very anxious and wanted the trip to be over, so I fired up my laptop and started talking to a fellow Blue-lighter to try and focus my attention on something else. As soon as I opened the lid of my laptop and the screen turned on my exact words were "Holy fucking shit that looks weird" the screen looked like I was looking into a window of something that was physically real but covered by glass, Similar to viewing a 3d tv but only the depth effects not the effects of objects extending out of the screen into the "real" world.

0:20 - after talking to my friend for about 10 minutes I began to come down and feel almost normal again but with a very mild "stoning" effect that I noticed when trying to walk around my room.

1 hour break

Second dose.


0:00 Pack my self a huge cone - This hit fills my lungs to maximum capacity and i hold it in for 5 seconds, as like the first time the smoke was very easy to hold down but smelled fucking terrible. After 5 seconds i feel the same body load amplifed about 3 times and almost colapsed, somehow i managed to make it to my bed and lie down, i decided for this trip i was not going to try and eliminate all outside sensory stimulation (no music, no lighting) and let the DMT take me where it wants to.

0:03 laying in bed, close my eyes and my vision instead of being all "nothingness" or black as I would say, I saw a a faint white rectangular box that moved around the black nothingness i was seeing.

0:05 visual effects are fading and i notice the body load is quite unpleasant and i am feeling very anxious, i begin to anyalse why i am feeling anxious but cannot come up with a reason, this sent me into a weird thought loop - I am feeling anxious but there is no reason for me to be feeling anxious yet i am still feeling anxious.

0:10 still in thought loop, i thought that if i could reassure myself that there was nothing to be anxious about that the feeling would go away. This was not the case. I begin asking the DMT that if it will let the trip end that I wont touch it again. I felt that since there was no reason to be anxious it was the DMT that was punishing me for some reason.

0:15 At this point i am growing angry at the DMT so i boot up my laptop and start talking to my friend in a attempt to end the trip, this seemed to work.

0:20 Body load effects are still quite noticeable but the anxiety has left and I am feeling much more relaxed, Decide to chuck on some pink floyd and smoke a lot of cannabis.

0:30 cannabis relieves much of the anxiety and i decide to clean up my room to get my mind off the trip.


0:50 Decide to go to bed as it is 2:30 am and i have work the next day

0:55 as i begin to fall asleep i begin to have what I think is a delirum hallucination, i would enter a very light sleep and would enter a semi dream like state where i am still talking to my friend on MSN, (my laptop was turned off and packed away) it felt very very real, much like a lucid dream but more "real" feeling.

Not sure how long this lasted but I came out of this Dream like state a few times and was dumbfounded that I wasn't actually talking to my friend, I even remember bits of the conversation we were having. I soon fell asleep and woke up very tired the next day.


Summary: DMT is very weird and powerful, if you think it just makes you hallucinate and see things then you are wrong. Words cannot describe the profound effects it has on your mental process and your sense of what is real and what is not, what is actually happening and what is not.

I did not find this trip enjoyable or "fun" neither did i find it to be all that "bad", The only negative aspect was the extreme anxiety and thought loop that resulted because of this, at points i just wanted the trip to be over.


Respect this extremely powerful substance.

I too wonder if the combo of MAOi's might explain the length & the rougher aspects of the trip. That said, I never doubt nor poo-poo someone's experience & agree: respect this extremely powerful substance, the same advice for most psychedelics!