DMT as someone's first psychedelic?

[cryptix420]

Hello BL,

I am thinking of letting my friend (who is a female) try DMT as her first psychedelic. LSD just seems too long, and most other things I have seem to have too much potential for something to go wrong, ie 25i, DPT, aMT. I was also considering letting her blast off in the midst of an MDMA experience. What do you all think of this idea?

I have never combined anything DMT with anything personally, although I very much want to try it with LSD/MDMA.

 

[Cyanoide]

DMT is one of the most powerful, by many considered the most powerful and intense psychedelic that exists. While I'm sure you know this, I think those factors should be discouraging for a first-timer. Only because DMT has a short duration when smoked doesn't mean it can't have an impact that lasts for quite some time. So if the experience is owerhelming or very frightening, it's not that easy to just shrug it off. To give it to someone without experiences with psychedelics is IME not the best option.

I do see your point but DMT is so unique, so intense and profound it kind of is in its own league (together with 5-MeO-DMT). It's almost like in a category "above psychedelic". Also, it doesn't give much space for a first-timer to get familiar with the psychedelic experience while it is actually unfolding (to experience the come-up, peak, and, comedown" and afterglow) and to ponder about what he/she is experiencing. DMT is over so fast. It may feel like everything happens at once and then zap, you're back from hyperspace.

I've once smoked 5-MeO-DMT while on MDMA and MDMA dulled the experience very much. Sure, there was less anxiety and so but at the same time less psychedelia.

There are many psychedelics that are quite suitable for a first-timer, giving a good picture of what a psychedelic trip is without being too intense and deep. In the tryptamine class, 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MiPT would be good examples. In the phenethylamine class 2C-C would be a good candidate. The duration of these is not so long either. You can never eliminate the risk of something going wrong, but these compounds are fairly forgiving and clear-headed (of course less so with high doses). They still give you a quite good picture of what a "true" psychedelic trip is about.

 

[psychomimetic]

I think DMT is an ok first psychedelic but not ideal. I've given it to people who had never tripped before, some liked it and some didn't. The pros are that DMT is short, very clear headed, doesn't have much/any body load and provides a truly far out psychedelic experience. The cons are that the person is likely to be overwhelmed and potentially terrified of the experience. I'm an experienced drug user in general and even still whenever I smoke DMT the first thing I get is an intense wave of fear. I can deal with it now but as a novice I would've freaked the fuck out.

In short, yeah I think DMT is ok as a first trip but mescaline, or a low-moderate LSD or mushrooms dose, may be better. Especially mescaline. Or like 2 grams of shrooms.

 

[Splitz]

^ Pretty much this and what Cyanoide said. I think aMT is a good starter psychedelic and it's what I tend to recommend to any friends interested in exploring that world. Sure it lasts for ages, but keep her dose low and it should be manageable, it's empathogenic effects remind me of MDMA, so they might lend a sense of familiarity for your friend too. As well as 2C-C I'm sure 2C-B would be good too.

Then again, a low dose of LSD shouldn't pose any problems. While it lasts long, I'm sure you know it can be gentler than the inexperienced/uneducated believe. While generally not so forgiving low dose mushrooms might be a consideration, for the shorter duration.

 

[cryptix420]

Perhaps I will consider the LSD then..

 

[Cyanoide]

I'd also not recommend compounds that are known to produce a strong bodyload in many people. While this is individual, some compounds just are more prone to produce a nasty bodyload. 5-MeO tryptamines generally have a much harder bodyload than e.g. 4-subs.

Edit: Low dose LSD is by no means a bad idea, many people have their first trip on acid.

 

[Cyanoide]

Double post, sorry. Please delete.

 

[just_said_coke]

Hello BL,

I am thinking of letting my friend (who is a female) try DMT as her first psychedelic. LSD just seems too long, and most other things I have seem to have too much potential for something to go wrong, ie 25i, DPT, aMT. I was also considering letting her blast off in the midst of an MDMA experience. What do you all think of this idea?

I have never combined anything DMT with anything personally, although I very much want to try it with LSD/MDMA.

Not to sound like a prude but what do you mean by "letting my friend". I read it as:
- they may or may not know the ins and outs
- for some reason they have not gone out and searched themselves
- you have a position of trust and of subject authority
- it's implicit they want to do a psychedelic

In which case:
- no don't "let" someone take MDMA then DMT as a first time psychedelic experience, even if, it's something that you want to try
- understand that they may benefit from doing the research and reading trip reports themselves, as it will prepare them more and actually let them sort out whether they want to
- find out what they would rather do? what do they want out of a psychedelic?

Sorry and please ignore if this is obvious/considered by you already

 

[Escapedysphoria]

Definitely don't make DMT your first pyschedelic expirience! It will most likely be far too intense and strange for one unexpirienced in psychs.

If you're looking for a somewhat shorter trip: eat a moderate dose of shrooms (if potent psilocybin, eat than an 1/8th; YMMV!) or a beginner's dose of LSD. Both are significantly different and beautiful substances.

You may want to keep benzos and/or antipsychotics/trazodone/remeron on hand for a bad trip. Benzos are always crucial to have set aside for me. Be safe though OP!

You will understand DMT and handle it much better after starting with the classic psychedelics. Marijuana can kick in or enhance all the latter. H

 

[Survived Abortion]

So you've never personally combined DMT with MDMA. Yet you are willing to consider not only introducing a psychedelic virgin to an extremely powerful and potentially off-putting compound such as DMT as their first psychedelic, but also to let them combine it with MDMA. On their first go, and without you even having tried the combination yourself?

Do I even need to point out why this is irresponsible?

Oral DMT (ayahuasca) would be fine, like any other psychedelic. But smoked DMT is another ballgame - everyone knows this. I have a friend who wants to blast off with me, and she isn't even a psychedelic virgin. But she hasn't tripped in a long time, and she only has a couple of goofy acid and mushroom experiences under her belt from many years ago. After I explained to her the raw intensity of the (in this case) 5-MeO-DMT experience, she decided she would like to ease in with something much more accessible, and I wholeheartedly agreed. I will not give her a trip on 5-MeO-DMT as her first intense trip in years - that would be horribly irresponsible and selfish of me.

What you have to ask yourself is: are you giving her DMT because she wants to trip on DMT, or is it because you want her to trip on DMT?

 

[burn out]

I personally hate the first psychedelic discussions. I think all psychedelic are cool and it doesnt matter which one you take first. Just pick one and deal with it.

edit: I also think the natural psychedelics are far better than LSD but LSD is still pretty good.

 

[SONN]

I gave my really inexperienced ex-gf a nice hit of the DMT resin that was already in my pipe and she actually loved it. She said it was like the first time she ever relaxed lol

 

[Fieldy]

So you've never personally combined DMT with MDMA. [/I]?

I have seen this once a few years ago. A mate of mine smoked some dmt out of a bong while on mdma. About 10 seconds after he inhaled he had a strange lost look on his face and the proceeded to take his shirt off and dance around like a monkey for a good solid 2-3 minutes. It was the most bizarre thing i have ever seen. 45 minutes later we asked him if he could explain what happened and he couldn't even remember doing it.

I have had a small dose of dmt but not enough to get threshold effects. I have had lsd 4 times though and would recommend a low dose lsd trip first.