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Tryptamines DMT and the pineal gland

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check the science article databases witha search for dimethyltryptamine and see how many good scientists have worked with it, the pineal may produce precursors, it is a psychedelic made by the brain!!!!it only needs an maoi when it it taken orally

chakras represent nerves and organs of the body, they are different words for energy points, you break the pineal chakra and you are in samahdi with dmt production, enlightened,

why did the CHRISTIANS WORSHIP the PINECONE, of should i say pinea
 
ahh... a spiritual discussion gone from the question of the afterlife, to the topic of pinecones. classic.
 
Aldousage said:
What's the deal?

I've read and enjoyed Strassman's "Spirit Molecule", but no responsible neurologist/biologist takes such ideas seriously.

The human pineal gland produces melatonin, not DMT (nor anything like it). The trouble with some psychopharmacologists is that they ingest the drugs they're studying, and then immediately come up with unfounded, Leary-esque revelations. Maybe he was thinking of the Colorado river toad and 5-MeO-DMT when he came up with the theory...

As for chakras and the like, it's pretty obvious to me that that's just make believe. I'm NOT against make believe - it can be a lot of fun, but I think it can also be dangerous when taken too seriously.

I'm a big Hunter S. Thompson fan, but I take much of his work with a grain of salt. I think that sometimes, he's joking around or perhaps just unsure of his facts.

I fear the day some new age whacko enlightens us to the fact that there are subcutaneous cannabis seeds in the bottoms of our feet: The "Seed of the Sole", one might say.

Kids will be taking chunks out of their heels and planting them in the backyard.

At least (I hope) most intelligent grown-ups don't take this kind of stuff seriously.

Peacelove,
Aldousage
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I agree, Strassman's book is pseudoscience IMO
 
Well, whether from the pineal gland or not (merely a theory), it is proven that DMT is excreted in varying levels in your brain during REM sleep/dream states and near -death experiences as well as death. Also, the vividness of memory as well as seeing "your life flash before your eyes" are both effects of DMT in your brain.
 
Endogenous DMT has been proven. The dream/near death stuff has not.

It is admittedly fun stuff to imagine, but science is much more strict and structured than fantasy.

Again, DMT released into the brain during REM, etc., are NOT proven facts. Reading certain articles by pseudo- and/or irresponsible scientists/science writers can give the wrong impression.

When I become intrigued by a new phenomenon (especially if it's something meaningful about which I'm passionate), I always make a point to research writings by detractors of the phenomenon in question. Otherwise, I might immediately take as truth the theories of which I approve - written by like-minded people - while completely ignoring sources that might differ.

Peacelove and respect,
Aldousage
 
The Dude Of Life said:
Well, whether from the pineal gland or not (merely a theory), it is proven that DMT is excreted in varying levels in your brain during REM sleep/dream states and near -death experiences as well as death. Also, the vividness of memory as well as seeing "your life flash before your eyes" are both effects of DMT in your brain.
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And your references for that are?
 
Aldousage said:
Endogenous DMT has been proven.
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Nope, not even that one. DMT hasn't been found in cerebral tissue; in spinal fluid and urine, yes, but there is no evidence relly that I know of that definteively proves DMT is produced in the brain. As yet, there is no technology to detect that prescence of such a substance; and while it seems likely that DMT is in the body in some capacity, lots of theings are (acetone anyone?) that don't affect the brain. It is also said that the methods of extracting DMT from urine and cerebospinal fluid could be catalysing an endogenous tryptamine (seratonin, melatonin and precursors) into creating DMT...

But if anyone has a direct article relaying info on DMT found inside peoples actual brains then I will retract all. However, I've looked for more direct evidence and its just not there.
 
i haven't read through these posts, but i strongly disagree with alot of things you've said here. except for the part about hunter s thompson. love him, but grain of salt indeed.
 
Hunter does talk a lot of bollocks - that bit about seeing bats when you take mescaline. What a crock of lying shit.
 
who knows. i think credit is due to him, because hes on the right track for the most part. anyone in these categories is bound to have some crazy ideas. i prefer to take all of them with a grain of salt and come to my own conclusions that work for me.
 
I was quite curious about this from Hunter S. Thompson I wasn't quite sure how it worked, now I know it was pretty much only a guess sort of.

So what are the effects when this substance or human gland is taken?
 
swilow,

Endogenous isn't a specifically neurological term (it doesn't mean "produced in the brain"), but it's often mistaken as such, particularly in these circles.

If I'd implied that DMT IS produced in the human brain, you'd be correct to challenge me on such a statement. As it happens, I started this thread because of my unhidden skepticism regarding that very theory.
 
From what I've heard, the idea is that since all these chemicals (i.e. DMT, THC, LSD, whatever) locate appropriate receptors in the brain, there must be endogenous chemicals which resemble them enough to fashion such a receptor in the first place.
 
uhh, yea such as serotonin and anandamide and other neurotransmitters?
I don't know what that has to do with strassman's ideas though..
 
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