• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe | Cheshire_Kat

Health DMT and Schizophrenia

ChemicallyEnhanced said:
From the way anyone on here who's taken DMT talks - oh, I "experienced God" - I'd rather keep the Schizophrenia. At least after psychotic episodes, my delusions go away. Apparently they STAY after DMT and the user gets this extreme, bizarre, inability to understand that what they experienced was purely them "tripping" on a psychedelic.
Click to expand...

Yea DMT states are induced at will too... You don’t get a choice in when the delusions come. Whether I believe their real or not doesn’t matter if I get to choose when I do and don’t experience them.

Also I’d argue many who try DMT still think it’s all simply a psychedelic.. I’m not one of those personally, I’ve had things happen that make me a believer. Am I delusional just like you? Maybe.. But at least my delusions don’t interfere with my 9-5.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Yea DMT states are induced at will too... You don’t get a choice in when the delusions come. Whether I believe their real or not doesn’t matter if I get to choose when I do and don’t experience them.

Also I’d argue many who try DMT still think it’s all simply a psychedelic.. I’m not one of those personally, I’ve had things happen that make me a believer. Am I delusional just like you? Maybe.. But at least my delusions don’t interfere with my 9-5.

-GC
Click to expand...

*they're

If you believe in God, then yes, you are delusional. There's even a name for it: Religious Mania.
So you think it's just a coincidence that you take a psychedelic drug and then have a psychedelic experience of something religious? o.0
 
Last edited:
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
*they're

If you believe in God, then yes, you are delusional. There's even a name for it: Religious Mania.
So you think it's just a coincidence that you take a psychedelic drug and then have a psychedelic experience of something religious? o.0
Click to expand...
You can never understand the psychedelic experince til you have been there its not just a "drug" its something that exists in our universe that can switch your reality channel to another dimesion. People working with shcizo clients have reported that when they are on psychedelics they still have voices but they all turn positive instead of been negative.

DMT is natural and is a holy grail of psychedelics a one time breakthrough trip would make anybody a believer its not a drug its a chemical gateway to higher dimensions.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
You can never understand the psychedelic experince til you have been there its not just a "drug" its something that exists in our universe that can switch your reality channel to another dimesion. People working with shcizo clients have reported that when they are on psychedelics they still have voices but they all turn positive instead of been negative.

DMT is natural and is a holy grail of psychedelics a one time breakthrough trip would make anybody a believer its not a drug its a chemical gateway to higher dimensions.
Click to expand...

LOL. No, it's a drug. You're just being silly now. And yes, I have experienced DMT.
 
I have an extremely scientific uncle (who almost patented a medical technology) who had an out-of-body experience at age 12 due to anaphylactic shock that he says forced him to consider the spiritual side of our existence

Just sayin'
 
No. 13 Baby said:
I have an extremely scientific uncle (who almost patented a medical technology) who had an out-of-body experience at age 12 due to anaphylactic shock that he says forced him to consider the spiritual side of our existence

Just sayin'
Click to expand...

I had a random out of body experience once for no apparent reason. It didn't make me consider anything religious (nothing ever will) but definitely that there is something more than just what we perceive in our physical body's.
I was in Science class and I just kinda lifted up out of my body and was looking down on me. I watched my body put an arm around the girl next to me and kiss her on the cheek which was really weird because she was a good friend but there wa definitely nothing more there and it wasn't something I wanted to do or would even think to do. This experienced lasted maybe 20-30 seconds, then I was in me again. I apologised and explained what had happened and she explained what an out of body experience was (I hadn't really heard of it before) and I was like OMG YES, that's what it was!
I also once OD'd and had a grand mal seizure. The weird thing was (I've had about a dozen seizures from alcohol withdrawal) normally you don't experience ANYTHING during a seizure. Like one moment everything is normal and the next thing you know there's paramedics and everything is all confused and disoriented, but nothing in between. But that one time I had this experience where I had no physical body and my - mind?soul?being? - was deep out in outter space and I was the only thing in the entire Universe that really existed and I had an impending sense of doom and an overwhelming knowledge that I was very anxious and that nothing was ever going to be okay ever again. It was the single worst experience of my life. Being very afraid of being alone made it all the worse. If I DID believe in God, I would be 100% positive that I actually briefly died and was in Hell.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Exactly. I know people who are bipolar/manic, schizophrenia, or who have schizoaffective disorder. When they would trip on psychedelics or just smoke pot their medications would stop working, or if they were not on any medications they became 1,000X worse with their mental illness.
Click to expand...

...Is a “1000X worse” a clinical term ?

It’s new to me, please elaborate.

The only quantifier I’m familiar with, as a layman is: ♒️❌🔁❌♎️ to the third power.

Please correct me, if able.

THINGS IZ GETTIN’ KA-WAaaazey, ovah heeoh!!!
 
flabberghost said:
...Is a “1000X worse” a clinical term ?

It’s new to me, please elaborate.

The only quantifier I’m familiar with, as a layman is: ♒❌🔁❌♎ to the third power.

Please correct me, if able.

THINGS IZ GETTIN’ KA-WAaaazey, ovah heeoh!!!
Click to expand...

As a pharmacist/psychologist/psychiatrist/drug expert I can confirm that "1000 x worse" is indeed the correct clinical scientific term.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
I had a random out of body experience once for no apparent reason. It didn't make me consider anything religious (nothing ever will) but definitely that there is something more than just what we perceive in our physical body's.
I was in Science class and I just kinda lifted up out of my body But that one time I had this experience where I had no physical body and my - mind?soul?being? - was deep out in outter space and I was the only thing in the entire Universe that really existed and I had an impending sense of doom and an overwhelming knowledge that I was very anxious and that nothing was ever going to be okay ever again.
Click to expand...

Yeah that might actually be the ultimate truth of existence - that there is only God and he's lonely and terrified. I sure as hell hope not. Awesome that you had the non-hellish one in science class though.
 
Sorry to interject here, but I'm a bit of a middle ground as far as my opinion on your interesting little disagreement goes. I've never done DMT (yet...coming 2020, trust) but I've done mushrooms a lot and while I wouldn't necessarily say it's some sort of.....magic revelation it sure as hell is a bit more than "just getting high" like I have with cocaine or meth....or alcohol for that matter.

Go eat 7g of mushrooms and report back about how banal the psychological outcome is for ya. ;)

I wouldn't understimate their ability to have profound effects on the brain in physiological ways that can enhance all manner of dysfunction.
 
SunriseChampion said:
Sorry to interject here, but I'm a bit of a middle ground as far as my opinion on your interesting little disagreement goes. I've never done DMT (yet...coming 2020, trust) but I've done mushrooms a lot and while I wouldn't necessarily say it's some sort of.....magic revelation it sure as hell is a bit more than "just getting high" like I have with cocaine or meth....or alcohol for that matter.

Go eat 7g of mushrooms and report back about how banal the psychological outcome is for ya. ;)

I wouldn't understimate their ability to have profound effects on the brain in physiological ways that can enhance all manner of dysfunction.
Click to expand...

Yeah, SunriseChampion... I often question the “all manner of dysfunction” that may best NOT be underestimated.

( Resulting from high-dose psilocybin ingestion )

“Dysfunction” being a relative term, within the confines of Western Culture, and an evermore incrementally discordant template of adaptation to that culture.

Does that make sense?

I’m getting older, and the ability to attach the most effective words to often abstract concepts, is becoming less fluid.

Nonetheless, the often “revelatory” nature of heavy psychedelic experiences ( once you get past the distracting retinal circus, and assorted jesters / demons / message bearers ) appears as a revelation of the importance in a common thread of realignment with nature, and the CODE, in an unadulterated form.

The DISCHORDANT, is a non-alignment with that CODE.

Heavy psychedelics can definitely exacerbate the feelings of being OUT OF CONTEXT, in a society that is evermore combustible, inhospitable, and hurtling down a path of self-destruction.

Being “too-sensitive”, or open, to erratic, stray energies, and malevolent entities can make for “crazy”.

The greatest respect for ALL entheogens is a message that I would truly wish to propagate in these forums.

These are not toys.

They are not just to “get-high”.

There needs to be more reverence.

These are vectors, and doorways to realms beyond mere mortal comprehension.

Nobody REALLY knows what happens there.

Having a strong core sense of self is extremely important, in my view.

I’ve been to “psychotic” states with it.

It’s impossible to be truly objective regarding whether or not I have permanently impacted myself in a destructive way because of extreme psychedelic usage.

Insanity is a relative term.

Love is Real.

Out,
Bryan in Seattle
 
I believe this. That psychedelics can cure hallucinations. They are just some wires wired wrong in neurology. But of course it's a critical territory and one can also do great harm. But not doing anything might be the worst in some situations.

They wanted me to believe in that I had a psychotic episode and need to take fucking antipsychotics for lifetime when it was just a bad drug interaction that ceased when stopping the wrong med...
 
psychedelics are more powerful than any other drug class at making their users think that the drugs are good for them. This is akin to trying to fix a heart problem with crack cocaine.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
psychedelics are more powerful than any other drug class at making their users think that the drugs are good for them. This is akin to trying to fix a heart problem with crack cocaine.
Click to expand...

I’ve considered the very same idea...
( psychedelic chemicals, in general, “TELLING” us that they are good for us... )

Hi LucidSDreamer...

🔴🔴🔴 If I could make the objective distinction between actual value-add, and the would-be false impressions of value-add, brought on by chemically induced fleeting flashes of brilliance... I would have to be a helluva lot smarter than I like to believe I am.

The thing is, the studies are coming in now. -Specifically: the 5HT2a receptor sight studies showing, ( in as little as I may understand ) what seems to be some “nuerogenisis” or rather, brain or signal pathway growth, or lasting potentiation.

Hey, I dunno.

There’s no control subject, or otherwise identifiable baseline for my personal head; Or, for any of the connected resonating frequencies from some “other” source
that may, ( or may not! ) have tapped into me because of heavy Acid ( ++ ) use.

However, yes, I like to believe that these more highly resolute and broadly saturating experiences have benefited the latitude with which I perceive the world now, on a daily basis.

-It made it all RICHER, alrighty?

I’m interested in the idea that varied plantforms, fungus in particular, have evolved such a high-affinity for the biology of our own brains.

Why is that?

The fungus was here first...
( I don’t know when Claviceps Purpurea first appeared )

Do plants eventually recognize that they need to show us some perceived benefit?

-To survive themselves, through protection or cultivation?

Hey... maybe you start thinking a LOT of stuff because of psychedelics.

Yup. Sometimes TOO much.

There’s also a study that I just read regarding reduction of inflammation through the use of LSD.

I think that as long as the studies progress at this current rate, the resultant biologically quantified benefit to hazard quotient will become more clear on the “plus” column.

Then again: Yes, I’m pretty crazy.

But often glad to be that way, however I got here.

The psycho-spiritual stuff is just too unfathomable to even attempt to handle, as to: “WHAT the fuck was that, and is it good for me?!”

Maybe I need to believe that it is as all good for me.

Can I decide for myself?
“...make it call the tune... anybody’s choice... I can hear your voice... how does the song go?”

Blessings to All,
Bryan in Seattle
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top