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Dissociatives-- any noticable long term effects?

I personally enjoy K and DXM though I haven't done either more than a handful of times. The last time I did k, however, it was more than I thought I had did and it was a very anxious time until I fell asleep with my head in my lap. It just became more and more intense and I was worried because it felt like it wasn't going to end. At lower doses, however, I really enjoy K. Dissassociatives for me though don't cause much anxiety otherwise.
 
Just expierenced K but a few hours ago, & I have to say it was a very enjoyable & clean feeling expierence. The Norketamine tingling in my brain has left me both revitalized & impressed by this molecule =D It's interesting how such expierences cannot really be imagined until you've been there, & I have to say it wasn't anything like I thought it would be. Over all a Good expierence.
 
I'm jealous, Ketamine sounds like a whole lotta fun. It's definitely on my To Try list.

I can see how it could easily be a compulsive state to look to be in all the time, but I can also see how it can be a very good medium for reflection. I won't be touching it again for a while, not primarily as a means to avoid a habit but more of losing my familiarity with the effects to get more out of it next time around. No idea how long Norketamine lasts in the brain, but if it's a while then that could easily act as a gauge until next usage.

The expierence did leave me with an impression though, & one I can ponder. It's contrasted in that psychedelics leave me asking "Why?" This expierence left me more wondering "How?" 6 hours dissolved on a shroom trip is incomprehensible in that you feel like you've been gone for eons. Ketamine left me thinking what the hell happened to those four hours of my life? I recieved the expierence pretty well, it's not all that discerning, despite how strong it was. My friend told me before i even took that I would get the impression of having expierenced it before, & I can attest that the feeling was very prominant.
I almost want to do it again just to make a map of it's scope of effects, but I think I'll take my time working that map out.

The anti-depressant effects are awesome by the way, & I still feel a bit dissociated. I can definately say it left me thinking.

Salvia is more of a dive into psychedelic amnesia, I have to agree it's no where near Dissociating like NMDA antagonists are. Complete seperation of Conscious mind from physical body. Awesome.
 
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I can see how it could easily be a compulsive state to look to be in all the time, but I can also see how it can be a very good medium for reflection.

That's why DXM is my dissociative of choice. I find it to be pretty self-limiting since most trips at or near my desired dosage (600 - 700 mg) tend to have some negative aspects which I would not want to experience every day. Not to mention having to chug cough syrup or downing a couple bottles of pills really sucks. The experiences are usually worth it, but they lose much of their significance without responsible, spaced-out usage.
 
That's why DXM is my dissociative of choice. I find it to be pretty self-limiting since most trips at or near my desired dosage (600 - 700 mg) tend to have some negative aspects which I would not want to experience every day. Not to mention having to chug cough syrup or downing a couple bottles of pills really sucks. The experiences are usually worth it, but they lose much of their significance without responsible, spaced-out usage.

How long does a typical DXM trip last? & around what hour could one "hold it together"? (i.e. act sober, talk on the phone, etc)

A friend of mine once told me you actually need to build a tolerance to it before you can reach the fourth plateau. Is there truth to that?
 
A typical trip can last around 5 - 6 hours (depending on dose, other drugs consumed, and several other personal physiological factors), but your mileage may vary. I find that once the come-up is over and I "plateau", I can walk/talk/act relatively sober (since I only trip at night, it's pretty easy to play off any strange behavior as simple exhaustion). Like I said before, the come-up usually lasts from T+1:00 - T+2:00 (or +2:30), and after that the plateau occurs.

I'm not sure that you particularly need to build a tolerance to reach the 4th, you just need a big set of balls. I personally have never gone past the third, because I find the effects at that level to be far too intense for my purposes. As you go up in plateau's, the recreational (or "fun") effects start to diminish and you're left almost exclusively with the things I posted in the "Cons" column in my first post (ymmv, but most trip reports at 3rd/4th/sigma levels seem to confirm this). I think just having experience with DXM would definitely help make a 4th plateau attempt go much smoother. In general, I say start low (300 - 400 mg) and work your way up from there. IME, If you dive headfirst into an unknown experience it would almost certainly be unpleasant, one from which you only derive fear and anxiety instead of personal insight. So take this info for what it's worth: I know many people actually enjoy high plateau trips, but I am certainly not one of them. The only real bit of universally-approved advice I can give you, is just be smart about it.
 
mcgrunge said:
A typical trip can last around 5 - 6 hours (depending on dose, other drugs consumed, and several other personal physiological factors), but your mileage may vary. I find that once the come-up is over and I "plateau", I can walk/talk/act relatively sober (since I only trip at night, it's pretty easy to play off any strange behavior as simple exhaustion). Like I said before, the come-up usually lasts from T+1:00 - T+2:00 (or +2:30), and after that the plateau occurs.

You like the second plateau then I guess? That's a good one, I'm all about the third though (the comedown and vomiting caused by the 4th just aren't worth it IMO).

mongrel said:
How long does a typical DXM trip last? & around what hour could one "hold it together"? (i.e. act sober, talk on the phone, etc)


If you dose 3rd plateau, you will not be able to walk/talk/act sober. I think that level is where things get really interesting though. Also, expect impairment (but not necessarily the high) to last longer than the above estimate. This is also the level that I'd say having chemical help to combat nausea/vertigo is a must (unless you are not prone to these things).
 
Well I have tripped on DXM twice. However, both times I took coriciden hbp which also contained the antihistamine Chlorpheniramine Maleat(I was a dumb teenager)
Anyhow, I have had slight hppd since. Also, whenever I trip now, I notice that my right pupil is larger than my left.
So it could be from the dxm, or it could be from the antihistimine...
 
You like the second plateau then I guess? That's a good one, I'm all about the third though (the comedown and vomiting caused by the 4th just aren't worth it IMO).

In general, yeah. That's mainly because I like to do things during my trips. I find that playing guitar can really help aid in meditation, and if I dose past the second plateau, I become unable to play, leaving frustrated and confused. I view 3rd plateau trips as a mark of personal growth. Each time I've gone there has been better than the last, but they still seem to be quite difficult for me. I'd like to eventually do a 3rd plateau dose and be able to "explore" it more in-depth than I have previously been able to.
 
I love K. but i have bad anxiety and derealization and the k just brings on the spacey things look closer than they are in your depth perception.
 
Oh, and if the OP will forgive me for digressing from the topic at hand, what (if any) drugs do you enjoy in combo with DXM or any other dissociatives you've tried?

i really enjoyed the combo dxm+thc+n2o...awesome.
and dxm+dph....for the visuals and hallucinations....but has to be dosed carefully....one could do weird and dangerous things on high doses of dph.

usually i took dxm a few times a year but there was a time where i used dxm for a few months too frequently....i became very maniac, and had some memory problems.
from the point of quiting it took a while till i realized how out of this world i was.
 
Yeah memory problems basically. Specifically short-term memory.

Derealization and depersonalization should be short term after-effects. With something like ketamine though, realize how long the metabolites stay in your body. And after those have gone you might need to count extra time for extra recovery as well so don't confuse short-term effects with long-term effects here.
If you have persisting derealization and depersonalization you should be worried I think. And at least consider never taking a dissociative again to protect yourself.
 
I was addicted to k for about 8 months and have been sober for 2. The 8th months where I was using anywhere from 5-20 times a week, I felt normal. I somehow managed to attain a 4.0 while doing k nearly every day. I felt that it didn't affect me at all. It did wonders for my depression - lifting away all the pain and stress while I was under the influence, and I would still feel pretty good for the next few hours after I'd come down, but later feel not so great and would usually end up doing a little bump to give me a boost.


Long term effects? Well, while I was using it (maybe about 3-4 months in) I began to get frequent bladder infections. I saw my doctor so often that he usually would just ask me if it was another bladder infection when I came into the clinic, and he'd have a pee sample container ready nearly every time. I had to change medications each time to ensure that the bacteria or whatever wouldn't become resistant.

Around this time, I also began to get skin irritation around my nostrils, particularly the right one. The skin would become red and itchy, and eventually would dry up and scab. It was if the skin was being corroded a little. My nose was also constantly drippy and I began to develop a rash-like area above my lip from blowing/wiping my nose so often (the skin around my nostrils was becoming irritated from being wiped so often and dried out).

Around 5/6 months in my short term memory started to go. I would forget simple, everyday words, or it would take me a bit to remember them. Once I forgot the word "spoon". Sometimes I mixed words together while talking/writing or would just say a completely different word than what I had meant to say. I had difficulty remembering new people's faces, previous events, and I began to also have problems remembering my k-holes.

Once I quit doing k (took me a few weeks to do), I noticed that my thought processes were "off," as if I didn't quite see reality the same. Sometimes I would get dissociated a little out of nowhere, and my perception would be slightly altered. I feel more spaced out than I have before (I have ADD and have always felt rather 'spaced' but it is worse than before). My memory is no longer what it used to be. Although I feel my intelligence has not been altered, I am much slower at accomplishing tasks than I used to be, and it takes me longer to learn and absorb new things.

I wasn't really even that seriously addicted. The man I was dating at the time, who was a dealer and was also addicted to k, did more than I did and now inhales half to a whole gram in a line and is usually able to stand afterwards. I know people who do grams and grams every day. Though my addiction luckily never quite reached that point, I still feel like my mind has been permanently damaged in some way, like I'll no longer be completely in reality.
I also experienced k pains, or k cramps, during my heaviest month of usage. These are basically intensely painful cramps in the abdominal area that hurt so much I felt that I could not move at all. Sometimes I'd end up just doing more k to alleviate the pain, which, of course, just led to greater consequences later on.


I know that long-term addicts can get such serious bladder problems that they feel like they must pee every 10 minutes, can barely hold any fluids in their bladders, and must have them removed as the tissue has been scarred and shrunken so much that it can no longer expand and is practically useless. Others have serious memory issues; nasal problems/deformations; depersonalization disorder; k pains; visual and verbal memory issues, and more. Reading stories of serious k addicts is rather saddening. And though it takes a lot of k to kill you, I have heard of one person injecting enough ketamine into their system and overdosing. D. M. Turner and Louise Cattell (a 21 year old fashion designer) both died from drowning in bathtubs while under the influence of k. One of my father's friends died when he had been drinking, did some k, and then went in his hot tub by himself, thinking that he'd join his wife 20 or so minutes later in bed. Sadly he also drowned and was found the next morning- let's just say it wasn't pretty.

I still dream about k every once in a while and after these dreams I crave it, but I haven't let go just yet. It's been really difficult lately as I have been craving it the most these past 2 weeks, but luckily each time I came in contact with some and was offered a line, I declined because I didn't feel like it at the time. I'm afraid I may go back to it. And though I don't do k anymore, I just replaced my addiction with that for cocaine (only use it 2-5 times a week on average). It would seem that I feel the need to put something up my nose, no matter what it be. It's difficult..
 
Honestly be careful with Ketamine, it will draw you in and take hold of you. I kept my use to just festivals then i was able to get a steady supply and was able to buy it an ounce at a time. Then doing it every day all the time. I never really got bad bladder problems, i noticed that i had to maybe pee a bit more often but it never hurt. Ive had been doing K almost everyday for probably 8 months or so and there's been a few times where i literally lost my mind while i was high. Right after doing a massive line i totally freaked out and it felt like i fucked up my brain, i went crazy and started crying. This happened to me twice. Not to mention getting K-pains 3 or 4 times, once ended up on the hospital getting shot up with morphine. Thank god im out of town at work now cause i ended up doing 3.5 grams in less than a day and thats when the pains started and they went away last night.

Mentally i feel fine right now, but i always have a craving for it. My one buddy who's been doing it for years is alright although he gets kinda spaced out once in a while he seems alright.
 
Yeah.. once I did a mega size line and I was laying on a couch afterwards and literally melted away from reality. I've never been inside anything so intense (except this one trip I had on shrooms). I thought I was going crazy because all the things on the walls started tilting and falling, and the room swirled into itself, and then I thought I was 30 feet away from my body, just chillin in the sky near the balcony. From there, I went backwards in time and relived some difficult moments of my childhood (nothing too serious tbh) before coming back to the present. I couldn't feel my face at all, but I started bawling my eyes out and having all these weird epiphanies, and saying weird shit. My friend thought I went bonkers. But yeah. Good times.

I also feel better mentally now that I've stopped it, and also feel the cravings. When I first quit, it was easy not to do it. But as time has passed, it's getting harder. Last night I ended up doing some bumps for the first time in ages, I totally forgot what it felt like.
 
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