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Okay so I was just mulling some things over and I noticed that on pillreports in particular I've seen a lot of reviews and so on saying things like "got a lot of empathy from this pill" or "very loved up feeling from these". now, I'm not doubting what people are saying at all here but as far as I'm aware MDMA is MDMA and those effects should (technically) be present in every roll, but then I don't know if different kinds of MDMA (if such a thing exists) can amplify certain effects such as empathy and so on.

in other words: do you believe that some pills/batches of MDMA are more 'rushy' or more 'loved up' or empathatic than others or is it just a manifestation of the effects caused by environmental settings such as time/place/and how the user feels? personally I don't have the scientific information to know the facts but I'd love to hear everyone's viewpoints and experiences!
 
Are you joking, you do know it doesn't all come from one chemist right? Everybody makes it different with different potency levels and filler and all of that shit.
 
There is an exact recipe for mdma that gets pressed into pills, and all the people who synthesize it follow this getting the chemicals from the same sources. In fact I think they even meet every few years to discuss changes in the process so that every one stays on the same page.

The different colors and presses you see are just each chemist being creative but everything else is the same.

So the fact that you get different feelings from different pills is kinda weird. Its probably all in your head like if you got a pill with a heart on it you'd have it in your mind to feel loved up as opposed to one with a car logo making you feel more of a rush.
 
amanda_eats_pandas said:
There is an exact recipe for mdma that gets pressed into pills, and all the people who synthesize it follow this getting the chemicals from the same sources. In fact I think they even meet every few years to discuss changes in the process so that every one stays on the same page.

The different colors and presses you see are just each chemist being creative but everything else is the same.

So the fact that you get different feelings from different pills is kinda weird. Its probably all in your head like if you got a pill with a heart on it you'd have it in your mind to feel loved up as opposed to one with a car logo making you feel more of a rush.
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God damnit I hope you're not serious D:
 
amanda_eats_pandas said:
there is an exact recipe for mdma that gets pressed into pills, and all the people who synthesize it follow this getting the chemicals from the same sources. In fact i think they even meet every few years to discuss changes in the process so that every one stays on the same page.

The different colors and presses you see are just each chemist being creative but everything else is the same.

So the fact that you get different feelings from different pills is kinda weird. Its probably all in your head like if you got a pill with a heart on it you'd have it in your mind to feel loved up as opposed to one with a car logo making you feel more of a rush.
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Warped Reality said:
Are you joking, you do know it doesn't all come from one chemist right? Everybody makes it different with different potency levels and filler and all of that shit.
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nonsense. mdma is mdma. period.

different effects are a function of many variables including, but not limited to: adulterants; mindset; setting; physiology; etc.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
nonsense. mdma is mdma. period.

different effects are a function of many variables including, but not limited to: adulterants; mindset; setting; physiology; etc.

alasdair
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Nonsense? So you're saying that the potency of the MDMA doesn't mean anything? You've got to be kidding me.
 
one mdma molecule is one mdma molecule if you have a bunch of them then you have pure mdma if you have a bunch of mdma molecules plus a bunch of cutting molecules then you have a big mix that still only has mdma as an active chemical unless the cut is something active like pipes or something. There is no variation like with weed which has hundreds of different things that gives you effects. There is only one kind of mdma molecule, different effects are from the differences in peoples brains and the funky chemcals people mix with there mdma so they can sell it for more.
 
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Nonsense? So you're saying that the potency of the MDMA doesn't mean anything? You've got to be kidding me.
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An mdma molecule is an mdma molecule. Plain and simple. More MDMA molecule = more potent.

Its not like MDMA is a plant and one plant leaf is more potent than another.

at least thats what I've gathered anyways.

If you're having a "mellow roll" and "melted to the couch", than you're probably tired or something. Can't really attribute that to the drug.
 
I am here, fear not!....

Right, well for starters, you could be taking anything in the mix mixed up with those pills....

You could also be taking racemate MDMA, or S isomer MDMA, there is a difference.

You could also be taking that pure MDMA at 65 per cent crystal purity, or you could be taking that crystal at 90 per cent purity. (not every batch of MDMA crystal is formed with the same purity strength)

And to top it all off, you may be taking MDEA or MDA instead of MDMA.

Assuming a full test using the complete EZ test kit rules out MDA or MDEA, then you are more than likely left with the choices of differences in purities in crystals which can efffect dosage by quite a margin.

EG: 125 mgs of 90 per cent purity crystals is going to = 112.5 mgs.

65 per cent MDMA purity crystals is going to = 81.25mgs

As you can see thats quite a difference.

MDMA made balanced to the racemate feels different to swaying to the S isomer also.

I need to find Shulgins link, I will be back A bit later to edit and add link, ive just passed through quickly, got stuff to do.

When i get back ill finish off.

Dee
 
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Uhhh..if i know right, isnt it a lot more expensive and difficult to make just one isoner mdma as opposed to racemic? I doubt people put s- mdma in rolls...and will it even crystallize at such a low purity level....?
 
Through research in the past ive come across references of an overdose death of an unfortunate young guy that took 1/3rd of A gram MDMA. That was tested at 66 per cent purity crystals in the South East of England approx 3 years ago, thats the lowest ive personally come across ATM, and it "generally" goes upto the early 80's % range.

This appears to me perfectly normal: MDMA purity late 60's > early 80's % span, and maybe if your very lucky possibly even upto 90ish %.

I will be back because its Friday and its busy busy here.

Right, redited im back.

Those above are the accurate facts abut this, and as you can see all those variations with purity of MDMA combined with other factors like whether your pill is mixed with something else or whether its possibly MDEA or MDA could make quite a difference in theory.

Its also a fact that racemate MDMA and S isomer MDMA feel different.

Its may even be a possibility that those reporting differences in feeling may have a natural iffinity warming to one of the specfic isomer or racemate MDMAs as apposed to the other 2.

On top of all this, set and setting plays A part to.

When you combine all those factors together it could definitley have the potential to create A better (or not so good) experience.

Dee
 
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Wow thanks for the information! Before I get questions flying my way personally this has never happened to me! I rarely take pills and instead opt for (What I can only assume to be) clean MDMA. Generally my limits are that up to 0.2g gets me very happy and loved up and a tiny bit messy (walking being a bit difficult, eyes flying all over the place) I went into 0.3g territory once and got a bit more messy than I had wanted. It was fun but a bit of a waste in my opinion for how much I enjoyed it compared to 0.1g which is a lovely dose for me

but yeah, purely just asking for other people's sake.
 
alasdairm said:
nonsense. mdma is mdma. period.

different effects are a function of many variables including, but not limited to: adulterants; mindset; setting; physiology; etc.

alasdair
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