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DiPT + DXM -- first time for both -- oops

VictorBorge

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So a few days ago I tried 5-MeO-DMT for the first time (trip report here ) and it knocked me on my ass for about 10 minutes.

Then the other day I tried this combo, and it knocked me on my ass for 10 HOURS.

70mg DiPT hcl orally
500mg DXM powder orally, at +1:00

0:00
I engage in my usual practice of dosing (with the DiPT) as I’m leaving work, and letting my bike ride home potentiate the come-up. I find this almost always improves my trips – psychedelics + endorphin rush = very cool. %)

+0:30
As usual, I arrive home as I’m feeling the first alerts. Some color enhancement, body buzz, and mental shift. I’m a little surprised that so far, there are no audio effects at all. I putter around for a while waiting for more (partially breaking my mg scale in the process :X ), and put on some music so I’ll know when the audio effects begin, if they ever do.

+1:10
Here come the audio effects. Suddenly it sounds like Beck’s band needs to take music lessons. I already described the audio effects to some degree in The DiPT Thread, so I’ll just leave it as “they’re pretty damn cool”.

+1:30
At this point the psychedelic effects of DiPT are becoming more apparent, and I’m having trouble concentrating or thinking much. I wander around the apartment, open the fridge, look out the window, and just generally float about. I think about doing some cannabis, but I don’t feel like it tonight. Instead, I decide to try my first dose of DXM.

Well, I’ll be the first to admit, I didn’t take DXM seriously enough. I thought it was “just like cough syrup”. I thought 500mg would be a fine starting dose – I don’t know where I read this, but I will never try a substance without double checking dosages again. Let it be a lesson to you all: people, 500mg is NOT AN OK STARTING DOSE. Not if you are under 60kg like me, and probably not ever.

+1:45
I begin to realize my mistake when I start to feel new effects in a very short period of time. I lose the rest of my concentration ability, and pretty soon I’m zooming past plateaus 1 and 2 and arriving totally and completely altered at #3. The rest of the trip is just fragments, a few of which I can recall:

- I’m kneeling in front of the toilet getting ready to hurl, but it doesn’t happen. I get up and stumble to the bed, only to stumble right back to the bathroom and hurl for real. As I’m praying to the great porcelain diety, the phone rings, and the voice on the machine is that of a space alien. The DiPT is still doing its work, only now it’s combining with the flanging effects of DXM. I’m in no position to appreciate it, though, as I flush dinner and rest my head on my arms across the bowl. The world is sliding sideways REALLY fast; I haven’t been this dizzy even when really drunk on alcohol.

- I crawl out of the bathroom on hands and knees down the hall, get about halfway to the living room, and then crawl back to puke some more. The cat is watching me with some concern.

- Somehow I’m on the couch in front of the TV. No idea how I got here, nor can I understand a word of what anyone on the news is saying, and I’m contorted into some impossible position where I’m peering out at the screen between two elbows and a knee.

- I’m back on my bed, in the depths of the trip. My vision is completely doubled, everything looks glassy, and I’m about 80% blind. Whenever I open my eyes, I seem to be in a different position, even though I haven’t moved a muscle.

- Behind closed eyes I start to get astounding, feverish hallucinations. Awesome giant machines lurk over me, driven by hidden entities. The audio hallucinations are incomparable, sounds whiz upwards past my left ear and downwards past my right ear, phasing and flanging and making electronic musicians everywhere jealous.

- At some point I become convinced I may never regain my sanity. It really feels possible that I have broken my brain for good. Although I panic about this for a few seconds, I quickly come to terms with my future life of madness, and realize that even if I am institutionalized, I’ll still be ME, and I’ll still have the Power. An evil smile spreads across my face as I feel the Power coursing through me, and for a while the trip becomes almost orgasmically good. But then another entity intrudes, somewhere down and to the right of my waistline, and he/it has a posse with him, and they might want to kick my ass….

- I’m melting, down, down, down into the bed, and then I’m swooping up, and becoming music, and I think “I am become the soundtrack to my life”. This strikes me at the time as a very weird statement, and I vow to remember it for the trip report (I think I got it right).

- I lose most of my long-term memory. I can remember I’m going out of town soon to visit my parents, but I can’t remember when, or even what month I’m in, and I’m afraid I’ll forget about the trip, and my parents will realize what a fuck-up I’ve become. I know I play in a band, but I can’t remember any of our songs, or when our next gig is. I'm sure I'm going to miss it and ruin any chances we have of making it big someday.

+3:30
Somehow I manage to get up, drink some water (can’t imagine eating dinner at this point), brush my teeth and get into bed. The rest of the trip I can't really recall. The combined tryptamine/dissociative comedown felt pretty fucking gross. I’m hot, I’m half-awake half-asleep, I’m queasy, my head feels like it’s stuffed with cotton, and my mouth taste horrible. But I'm too messed up to care really, I just want to drift off.

+15:00
I wake up the next morning with a nasty hangover, which doesn’t depart until about +24:00. Gradually, after I'd eaten and the hangover started to clear, I began to conclude that there were a lot of great things about this trip. I don’t recommend this combo though. It wasn’t fun, it wasn’t easy, and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t good for my body in the least. I did experience some amazing alternate states of reality and modes of experience, though, and even the hangover was nothing compared to an alcohol hangover. I plan to do both DiPT and DXM again, separately and at much lighter doses, since I'm not sure which one I blame for the unpleasant aspects of this trip, or if it was both.

Thanks for reading. :)
 
Beautifully written victor. somehow your writing touched me thru that report.

what an intense first time. You gunna try it again, *with caution*?
 
Nice report. It made me laugh a couple of times. Like whe your cat was watching you "with some concern". It's funny, whenever I'm tripping, even if I'm acting completely normal, my cat always knows that somthings up, and wont leave my side, like he's watching me to make sure I'm OK, lol.

And the space alien leaving a message made me laugh too. It sound like you had a pretty rough time though. That was a helluva first time DMX dose. Personally I loathe DXM, I think the effects are crap, and I don't see how anyone could tolerate the body load. I'd venture a guess that most of your physical discomfort, and the hangover, can be attributed to the DXM.
 
Thanks for the compliments. I wrote this whole report, pressed submit, and Bluelight crashed, so I lost it. I wrote it again and I think writing it twice was a good exercise .. in patience at least..*

Crimson Cloud said:
I'd venture a guess that most of your physical discomfort, and the hangover, can be attributed to the DXM.
That's what it _felt_ like to me, because it was unlike anything I've had from other tryptamines ... but I can't rule out the DiPT as a factor yet either.

The more distance I have on this trip, though, the more I like it. The amazing parts are outlasting the bad parts in my memory; interesting, that.


*footnote: I also think the fragmentary nature of the 3rd plateau of DXM is very conducive to being written about. All these little scenes from my trip just spring to mind unbidden, but in perfect clarity....
 
Great report!

I consider DiPT to be one of the most beautiful psychedelics out there and DXM to be one of the most horrendous chemicals known to mankind, lol. I would have even thought of mixing them, but that was a very informative report.

I would like to try DiPT+Cannabis someday, though :)
 
Yeah, cannabis is the only other material that gives me auditory hallucinations of any real value. I think they will mesh nicely.
 
Every indole I have done gives me auditory hallucinations and distortions. I've never gotten any from pot, but pot does give me some kick ass CEV's.
 
Well, I get some audio distortion from LSD, most commonly a phasing effect on very high pitches ... nothing from 4-AcO-DIPT, though... LSA made music much more emotional but I don't remember outright hallucination.. 5-MeO-DMT flattened my ego too much for audio effects to be noticeable, if they were there.

I guess for me the audio effects with pot, and DiPT, have just been better integrated with the trip experience, and therefore more memorable. With indoles, if I take enough to get very strong audio hallucinations, I'm usually too far gone to fully appreciate them.

From now on I'm going to pay more attention to what I'm hearing while I trip, though. I have a feeling there are subtle things I may have been missing while focusing on visuals.
 
In not at all surprised with you trip description :)
It was very fun to read thx, i had been speculating myself if not DXM and Dipt would make a very hellish trip (dark)
 
Whoa.. Intense!

I'm glad you recovered well from your experience :)
 
In my experience, DXM and anything produces a hellish trip. I've tried it with a-MT, 5-MeO-a-MT, cannabis and alcohol. Each time I got sent whining with my tail between my legs, if you know what I mean.

I far prefer DXM by itself, the stuff is powerful enough on its own. On a side note, why would you choose DiPT of all things? DXM is auditory enough, I would see it being a horrible combination with two extreme auditory distorters!
 
MagickalKat777 said:
On a side note, why would you choose DiPT of all things? DXM is auditory enough, I would see it being a horrible combination with two extreme auditory distorters!
Just a whim, I guess. The DIPT seemed (seemed) relatively manageable and psychedelically mild on its own, and I just impulsively decided to throw in something else. DXM was kind of sitting there, so ... you know how it is. 8)
 
MagickalKat777 said:
In my experience, DXM and anything produces a hellish trip. I've tried it with a-MT, 5-MeO-a-MT, cannabis and alcohol.

Can we say serotonin syndrom..? Yes we can, it's not very smart to mix a (mild) MAOI with DXM, maybe that's why it turned out to be such a hellish trip.

And 5-MeO-AMT also doesn't sound like it would go well with DXM, too much physical discomfort/stimulation.. I like to mix it with Alcohol and Cannabis though, can't trip without some good pot around.

:-)
 
Blowmonkey said:
Can we say serotonin syndrom..? Yes we can, it's not very smart to mix a (mild) MAOI with DXM, maybe that's why it turned out to be such a hellish trip.
I didn't even think of that. 8)

Now that I've had more experience with both drugs alone, I think mostly it was just too much of both drugs for me. The same dose of either one alone is still a very strong and not entirely pleasant experience. But it certainly could have had something to do with the MAOI action of DIPT as well.

/me does more research
 
blowmonkey -- First off, I must admit that you might be onto something with your ideas about the MAO-inhibition causing problems. Every tryptamine psychedelic that has been mixed with this caused a severe spike in my blood pressure and quite often, I did get some bad headaches from it. I was never stupid enough to mix a phen with DXM, I get a bad enough load from the phens to deter my curiousity away from the death side.

But the part about 5-MeO-a-MT, well, that was actually one of my best trips. Went Cosmic Bowling, bowled a 200, had some of the coolest visuals I've ever had, not to mention total ego death for a good hour or two.
 
"Suddenly it sounds like Beck’s band needs to take music lessons."

Er I don't think that was the DiPT

Sorry couldn't resist that - as soon as I saw DiPT + DXM I thought 'hmm... no thanks' but very interesting
 
MagickalKat777 said:
I was never stupid enough to mix a phen with DXM, I get a bad enough load from the phens to deter my curiousity away from the death side.
I was "stupid" enough to do this. I mixed DXM and 2C-E once, 250mg and 20mg respectively as I recall. I get very little body load from 2C-E until I go over 20mg.

It was much better than the experience above, and I've even thought of repeating it. But this isn't the first time someone has called it stupid, so if I do do it again I probably won't tell. ;)
 
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