Diphenhydramine

[Poach]

I've been thinkling about the whole Codeine thing for PAWS and as interesting as it is, I'm not that enamoured with the idea of taking more opis after I've come off the subbies. I don't really want to go down the benzo route either because that always ends with me forgetting everything and as yet I've just about managed to stay clear of serious trouble (bar getting slashed but not my fault).

So, I was having a think and I seem to recall Diphenhydramine was pretty useful many years ago for getting a kip. Has anyone tried that for PAWS and how did it go?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Oooohhh, No, just No..... don't even think about it....

Ok, I realise diphenhydramine is used as an OTC sleep aid, but on top of a rattle, I can imagine it just sucks cocks in hell..!

 

[wcote]

I tried it for insomnia due to PAWS and it did fucking all.

promethazine however did chill me out slightly and helped me sleep a little bit. However it didn't do much, but I guess it is better nothing.

Diphenhydraine in fact maybe made me a bit panicky

EDIT - This was only after the worst of the opiate withdrawl!!! I struggled through for a week with worst of the subbie withdrawl.

 

[Poach]

Hmmm....I'll maybe just try and stretch the subbies as far as they'll go. Smaller doses as far apart as possible and hopefully when I finish them, I should be feeling relatively alright. A little anxiety I can handle.

 

[monstanoodle]

Maybe you could ask yer GP for Hydroxyzine:
It's a first-generation Antihistamine and it's used to help with Anxiety (as well as Histamine release probs).
It worked a little for me for Anxiety, and calmed me down at night when my mind would be thinking like absolute madness & 200mph.

Plus you could grab a pack of Co-Codamol for emergencies when you just simply need that calm. But I know what you mean about not wanting to use any Opiate again incase shit goes sideways

Give it a whirl And good luck whichever route you take mate

 

[masaz]

For what it's worth I used DPH for anxiety coming off SSRIs and I found it'd just make me restless and irritable, though it did kill physical symptoms so maybe worth a look. It was definitely good for hangovers, I'd take a 25mg tablet before bed and wake up feeling relatively ok. The sweats and electric shocks would go away when I was coming off Citalopram, like I said was just the physical stuff that would go.

 

[Pagey]

I've been thinkling about the whole Codeine thing for PAWS and as interesting as it is, I'm not that enamoured with the idea of taking more opis after I've come off the subbies. I don't really want to go down the benzo route either because that always ends with me forgetting everything and as yet I've just about managed to stay clear of serious trouble (bar getting slashed but not my fault).

So, I was having a think and I seem to recall Diphenhydramine was pretty useful many years ago for getting a kip. Has anyone tried that for PAWS and how did it go?

I can't help about the DPH as I've never tried it but just wanted to echo the feeling that you should definitely stay clear of the codeine when it comes to dealing with PAWS - I quit heroin ~two months ago and the few times I used codeine since set me back into the initial hell for days afterwards. It's tempting but you'll be really happy if you don't touch any opiates at all during PAWS

 

[monstanoodle]

Also, codeine is a terrible idea of PAWS, dont know where you were getting your advice - its going to prolong your WDs and as a result your PAWS. This is first hand experience....

Stay the fuck away from codeine. I cannot stress that enough....

Shit I'm so sorry about that pontifex. I guess because I'm on it for pain management I don't know how it can effect complete Opiateless life.

I'd recommend low, threshold doses of a dissociative such as ketamine or MXE throughout the day. By threshold I do mean barely feeling it. Both drugs are manna for depression when treated right. Best of luck buc, PAWS got shar claws.

DXM perhaps? It's a bit of a "Dirty Drug" I guess so I can't remember at this moment what receptor Dextromethorphan doesn't interact with 8(

 

[missmeyet?]

Definately beware of the diphenhydramine aggravating the restless legs....it is the worse. Matter of fact a lot of histamines can cause it to be worse.

 

[masaz]

Yeah it's a cunt for that, didn't realise it was a thing common to first gen antihistamines tho.

 

[Shambles]

Oooohhh, No, just No..... don't even think about it....

Ok, I realise diphenhydramine is used as an OTC sleep aid, but on top of a rattle, I can imagine it just sucks cocks in hell..!

Side note: I once ate an entire pack of Nytol (diphen) whilst in acute w/d from a gramme a day IV heroin habit plus cold turkey from high dose longterm daily paroxetine (Seroxat). I had no clue what diphen was or what it could do at the time. Just knew it was a sleeping tablet and I REALLY needed to sleep... So ate the whole pack assuming they'd be like benzos. Really not like benzos

Thankfully I don't remember most of that night. Do remember that that kinda delirium is just not like anything else I've ever experienced before or since though. Not in a nice way. At all. But certainly... immersive

 

[monstanoodle]

DXM is pretty dirty but it does seem very much to be a YMMV drug. Personally it gave me anxiety whenever I smoked a ciggie/drank coffee, but lots of people get by just dandy with it.

Also man lol sorry hadnt realised that you'd recommended codeine, wasnt having a go at anyone, the OP mentioned it himself and having tried it myself I was just like "Noooooooooooo bad idea". He said "I've been thinkling about the whole Codeine thing for PAWS and as interesting as it is". I mean what "codeine thing for PAWS"? Worst idea ever lol, he must be getting his drugs mixed up.

OP, either use light doses of NMDA antagonists for their antidepressant effects (as monsta says, DXM is also a viable alternative but personally might not respond well to it, I know I don't) or sedative drugs for neuropathic pain can also be very helpful, such as Gabapentin, Pregabalin, etc. Gabapentin personally makes a massive difference to me when I'm kicking - really takes the edge off the impulse to writhe around and boosts mood to the point where it doesn't feel like anything much worse than a mild flu. I can imagine at the PAWS stage it'd just normalise your mood.

But really truly and honestly, the absolute best cure is exercise. You'd be amazed at just how effective it is, even after the first two/three times in the gym. You don't have to be benching twice your own bodyweight lol, even just 20 mins on the bicycle machine thingy will make a very tangible difference.

Baclofen might be of some help with regards to that, but you'd have to watch out for tolerance + WDs, same goes for Phenibut but I don't think that's prescribed in the UK (most of Europe other than Russia too).
As was being mentioned in another thread the other day, Magnesium should help with any RLS.
Apparently Carbamazepine helps with PAWS.

Side note: I once ate an entire pack of Nytol (diphen) whilst in acute w/d from a gramme a day IV heroin habit plus cold turkey from high dose longterm daily paroxetine (Seroxat). I had no clue what diphen was or what it could do at the time. Just knew it was a sleeping tablet and I REALLY needed to sleep... So ate the whole pack assuming they'd be like benzos. Really not like benzos

Thankfully I don't remember most of that night. Do remember that that kinda delirium is just not like anything else I've ever experienced before or since though. Not in a nice way. At all. But certainly... immersive

A whole pack?!?!?! Fucking hell man, I can't imagine how mental the delirium ended up being, all I've had is a shadow person come through my closed bedroom window, run across my room and out of a closed door, but I was just sleepy enough to shrug it off and pass out

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Side note: I once ate an entire pack of Nytol (diphen) whilst in acute w/d from a gramme a day IV heroin habit plus cold turkey from high dose longterm daily paroxetine (Seroxat). I had no clue what diphen was or what it could do at the time. Just knew it was a sleeping tablet and I REALLY needed to sleep... So ate the whole pack assuming they'd be like benzos. Really not like benzos

Thankfully I don't remember most of that night. Do remember that that kinda delirium is just not like anything else I've ever experienced before or since though. Not in a nice way. At all. But certainly... immersive

Arf Trust you.. 8(

 

[masaz]

Side note: I once ate an entire pack of Nytol (diphen) whilst in acute w/d from a gramme a day IV heroin habit plus cold turkey from high dose longterm daily paroxetine (Seroxat). I had no clue what diphen was or what it could do at the time. Just knew it was a sleeping tablet and I REALLY needed to sleep... So ate the whole pack assuming they'd be like benzos. Really not like benzos

Thankfully I don't remember most of that night. Do remember that that kinda delirium is just not like anything else I've ever experienced before or since though. Not in a nice way. At all. But certainly... immersive

Jesus, that's like the last thing I would wanna go through, fortunate you don't remember a lot of it for sure!

 

[wcote]

Shambles I did the same...... I was tripping balls in a really really horrible way. I thought there was spiders in the room, and was really scared at times. My body was really restless urggh just horrible.

:-(

 

[Shambles]

For me I only really remember I was in a massive, post-apocalyptic future city being chased by "things" and pecked to pieces (literally) by giant, demonic, flesh-eating birds. Also vaguely recall the most intensely unpleasant bodily sensations... Mostly from all the pecking (could feel every beak load like it was really real ><) but I guess mostly from the combined w/d from hell plus the diphen fuckery. Really not a nice drug is diphen

 

[Poach]

Hmmm. To be honest I've had about 1mg of Sub today and I'm a week into it or thereabouts. I've also stopped snorting it to get where I want to be immediately. The bits I've had over the last 2 days have been sublingual, so I suppose that's something in itself and the dose has decreased. I'm also starting to enjoy the clarity again. It was a wee bit eye-opening and anxious at first but I'm alright with it now. Yesterday in fact, I totally enjoyed myself, went fishing, actually put some effort into it and got a buzz from it like I used to. Also been enjoying work.

Think I'm just going to see how far I can stretch each dose now and if I have to redose, make it as small as I can.

Actually I don't know what I'm that concerned about really. A few years back, I came down from 65mls of meth to 30 in a fortnight, went onto to sub for 5 weeks before and came off at 2mgs and I was fine. If I can do that, I can surely kick smack a whole lot easier you'd imagine.

I just don't want to take sub for more than say 2 weeks at most but find myself fucked with insomnia and general lethargy, because that's a relapse waiting to happen.