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Dimensions, Universe, and Time

Purple_Haze

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I posted this inside of a trip report, but then decided that I could post this here, and here people's thoughts about it.

Anyways, I basically smoked a shitload of kush, and layed down. I started spinning, and when I closed my eyes, I felt myself float (more like shoot) away from my body. Not just out of our dimension, but also out of our universe. While out of the universe, I noticed this:

Universes contain Dimensions. All of our Dimensions are in our Universe. And if you can escape our Universe, which is our plane of life (escape reality), then you can see all of our Dimensions working together.

Also, we glide on the plane of time, time doesn't exist to us, we exist in time.

In a conversation today, I mentioned this about the trip: "Like, I didn't just go to a different dimension, I escaped all the dimensions all together"

What do you think about this, did any of it make sense outside of my head?
 
daaaaaaaaaang.

Get a room you two! Or at least exchange n00dz on your own time 8)









But seriously, I know what you mean. It's part of one of my favorite subjects . . . STRING THEORY!

Check out this video, it helps explain the many dimensions there are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU1fixMAObI
 
^^That video is amazing and makes pretty good sense...in one way it's kind of a simple theory but I like it.
 
the 10 dimensions everything that this video talks about is not related to the extra dimensions of string theory

the extra dimensions of string theory are simply spacial dimensions, similar one to the other
 
vegan said:
the 10 dimensions everything that this video talks about is not related to the extra dimensions of string theory

the extra dimensions of string theory are simply spacial dimensions, similar one to the other

Hm.

Explain?

I mean, I could be wrong with what I said about string theory. It's just a difficult idea to grasp and it's been awhile since I studied it closely.

I took some art classes recently so some old info got pushed out of my brain.
 
Experiencing multidimensionality is the only way to really know, everything else is just a best guess as to the inner workings. Lucid dreams, astral projection, OBE's, multi-dimensional awareness, timeless perception, thoughts, feelings, hallucinations, reality is obviously multidimensional.

"Like, I didn't just go to a different dimension, I escaped all the dimensions all together"

That in itself is another dimension of perception.
 
MaxPowers said:
Explain?

I mean, I could be wrong with what I said about string theory. It's just a difficult idea to grasp and it's been awhile since I studied it closely.
Consider the 3 spacial dimensions we know about for sure. Up/down, left/right and forewards/backwards.

Is there something fundamental about 'forewards/backwards' which makes it distinguishable from 'left/right'? Nope. After all, if you turn 90 degrees to your left or right you swap left/right' with 'forewards/backwards', don't you?

A rotation in your notation of direction swaps your notion of dimensions. Therefore there's nothing unique about the 3 spacial dimensions, they are just a 3 dimensional space where you define, from your point of view, the 3 particular dimensions.

In string theory there's 9 spacial dimensions. The other 6 are just new versions of 'up/down'. It's not like in that video, where you can extend your notions of universes etc. Just as you can rotate through 3 spacial dimensions in Newtonian physics or usual relativity, you can rotate through 9 dimensions in string theory.

Yes, there's a slight distinction due to the fact 6 of them are 'compact' but that's a more technical distinction (which I can do into if you wish), not a more philisophical one as that video implies.
 
Doesn't time figure in? I always thought that was closely tied in with the other 3 dimensions and was always started as the 4th. I don't know if you could do anything to change your position/perspective of that dimension so easily.

I figured the video was maybe correct up to a certain dimension where it varied.
 
Time does come into it, relativity has taught us that. I was just sticking to spacial dimensions which are much easier to visualise.

The transformations with time are no long just a smatter of sitting still and rotating, you have to boost your velocity, relative to some object, in order to see it transform in time too (ie experience time dilation).

The specifics of it are found in the SO(n,1) (or SO(1,n), depending on convention) Lie group. In relativity it's SO(3,1), in string theory it's SO(9,1) (in compactified string theory it reduces to SO(3,1)xSO(6)).

If you're a glutten for punishment you can look at twistor theory, which uses SO(2,2)!
 
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All I wanna do is unify the properties of gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force.

Is that too much to ask for? :!
 
Unfortunately, there's a lot more to unifying them than just writing F=ma, F = GMm/r^2 and F = kQq/r^2. The various bits of mathematical notation I used are the mearest fraction of a percent of the huge iceberg that is theoretical physics. Compared to doing unification models, what I posted is, literally, childs play.

Believe me, I wish it wasn't. I'm 15 months into a theoretical physics PhD and only now I'm making any kind of head way into the tiny, tiny section I'm working in.
 
I've always been fascinated with physics but I hate math. I just like ever other aspect of it.

Does string theory fall under the category of theoretical physics?
 
That's because most modern physics are so deluded into believing their abstract models are reality.

Don't let ElphiNumerical convince you there is any, WHATSOEVER, empirical evidence for string theory. It all exists as information patterns in the physico-chemical electro-magnetic illusions of consciousness in tunnel vision type "theoretical" physics guys. Instead of ameliorating the world with practical and pragmatic insights/inventions, pretentious math addicts pretend this world is not physical. Instead of physical reality they choose to live in their own delusions.
 
First of all you really need to read some books on physics if you are interested in this kind of thought. I first got interested in physics and science myself largely after I started taking boatloads of LSD. I don't claim to be an expert but researching these topics will give you an arsenal of language and ideas to help you better flesh out your own thoughts. Some thoughts on your post:

Purple_Haze said:
Universes contain Dimensions. All of our Dimensions are in our Universe. And if you can escape our Universe, which is our plane of life (escape reality), then you can see all of our Dimensions working together.

I could go on all day about this statement! But I'll keep it brief.
While as others have mentioned there are ideas like string theory which predicts multiple dimensions the reality is that we only know that 4 exist for sure... the 3 dimensions of space and the 4th of time.

A great example I read somewhere (the source escapes me) gave this wonderful real world example of how to get your head around what more dimensions might mean:

"There are numerous specious of worm here on earth that only have 1 sensory organ. It is a sense something akin to smell, and it only has one of them unlike our 2 eyes, 2 nostrils, 2 ears which give us the ability to create a picture in our minds of the 3d world around us due to the ability of stereo senses to triangulate the position if the sight, sound or smell in question.
Now this actually means that the worms world view is only 2 dimensional because it simply does not have the biology to be able to comprehend more than that.
So now that you understand that a worm can live in a 2d world even though we can look and touch that worm in what we understand to be a 3 dimensional world, it is not too much of a stretch of the mind to imagine a creature with superior senses to us which could see even more dimensions!"


I hope that made sense. That idea made me understand the concept and even the simple definition of dimensions with much greater ease.


Purple_Haze said:
Also, we glide on the plane of time, time doesn't exist to us, we exist in time.

Physicists believe that space (our physical selves included) and time are infact the same substances. Infact it was that clever fellow Einstein that first suggested the idea. A Physisist calls this 4 dimensional space-time. So your kind of correct, however Since we also know space-time to be effected by mass within it then a more correct statement would be that "We are space and time"


As I said, you are pretty much talking physics whether you know it or not.

If all that sounds intimidating it's not as bad as it seems. I never did Physics at school, maths was my worst subject and even though I have difficulty with some ideas within physics, so do the physicists themselves so don't feel too bad.

Once you realise that physics is not just the bland engineering type stuff they do at school and that it actually crosses over into philosophy. Physics explores ideas like chance, fate, reality, time, cause, effect and indeed the very nature of the universe that we find ourselves in.

As wonderful as psychedelic experiences can be I have found it just arrogant (although tempting) to believe that your 5min or 5 hour experience can even come close to explaining it. On drugs I have seen the very fabric of reality, I have looked into the infinite eye of the universe, and sometimes I thought I understood it. There are however smarter men than you or me that have worked on these ideas their whole lives, and worked from the information left by the generation before dating back thousands of years. This base of information we know as philosophy and science.
 
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