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jon420

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First thanks for the replies to my previous TDS thread, I really do appreciate all of you who take the time to read my situation and offer your support. its great that this site exists, without it I would be totally cut off from any sort of support/advise. It's best to get it from people who have been there or are there, other people just cant relate.

I have a recent problem. Since I got into drugs, I've craved to try a strong opiate: I don't think I need to say why. The farthest up the opiate ladder I got was Dihydrocodeine, which is mg for mg, 6 times weaker than Hydrocodone. At my peak, I was taking 240mg DHC every night--40mg hydro. I have since tapered off to about 50mg Codeine. Now I have a very real chance of acquiring Oxycontin IR. A friend can hook me up with 10 of the pills, my question: is it possible for me to take these without getting addicted? Or is my life gonna snowball all the way to hell after trying them? Or is it possible to take a few Oxy's, respect the drug and only ever chip at them? Thank you!
 
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Hard to say.

Of course it is POSSIBLE for you to take them and get addicted. But whether or not you do depends on you and only you.

But from what you said you seem to have a weakness for opiates.

It is possible to chip with oxy. I've been chipping with oxy for 6 years now - with a few slips here and there.

And oxycodone is way better than DHC in my opinion, so you'll really have to have willpower and control - especially if you got dependent on DHC.
 
If you felt you had to taper down from 30mg hydrocodone, maybe you should stay away from oxycodone.

Overall you can use it and not be addicted/dependent on it. If your life will spiral downhill...that may be completely unrelated to oxycodone use.

I don't really want to give advice one way or the other. Consider how much you liked DHC and ask if going up the ladder is worth it.
 
You see, I LOVED the initial feeling that Codeine/DHC gave me. The honeymoon period. But then, I went downhill--foolishly applying the logic that if I up my dose, I'll get back to those first dozen or so times. As we all know, it doesn't quite work like that.

My logic is, having experienced the dhc dependency, I never want to go back there. I feel I have acquired a new kind of respect for opiates. My thoughts are, with the oxy, i will chip but go no father than 2 times a week max...

Or are thse the delusional rationalisations of an addict? That's what i've been trying to ascertain. :!
 
Hey, if you can set and adhere to your limits, maybe it is possible to chip, although very dangerous given your background.

What if you could define what 2x a week meant (how many and how many mgs per dose)? What is you did it 3x a week -- would you immediately stop for x number of months and seek professional help?

These are just suggestions -- I think it is possible, although dangerous. I have been chipping H for 2.5 years, ever since "my bottom". It is finally not the highlight of my existence and I don't crave and wait around for my time to do it because I have changed my lifestyle, attitude, friends, hobbies, and am still learning more coping skills. I'd like to nurture the positive in my life so that I don't even think about chipping anymore, that is my goal, but we all go at our own pace. If you aren't done, think about why, whether there are alternatives, or how you benefit, and incorporate long-term vision and plan for harm reduction and safety.

Why do you seek this out? Is there another way to alleviate whatever "pain" the opiates help with?
 
jon420 said:
My logic is, having experienced the dhc dependency, I never want to go back there.
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To me, this is reason enough NOT to dabble in opiates any more. You know how bad it was/can be, why even bother with the risk of going back to dependancy?? It's just too easy to get hooked again, especially if your brain and body have already experienced dependancy before.
It's not worth it man, my advice is to just steer clear of all opiates.
 
Jon, you said yourself you only liked the honeymoon period with DHC. It's not going to be any different with oxycodone. It's just another opiate. You won't regain that magic just by switching to a stronger mg per mg opiate. Sure a few times when I got into harder and harder opiates I would have great times, but honestly it's really never that much better than my first few times being high on Vicodin years ago. You keep chasing it, but it's never the same. My advice is you say no. You're aware you have an addictive personality and that's why you're even asking this question in the first place in TDS. And just from a practical standpoint, you might get more fucked-up if you do a lot of OC, but in my opinion you're not going to get that same honeymoon-period euphoria you're looking for. But that's just me.
 
what dose are the oxy pills? 10mg? 80mg?

from your previous post and the fact youve made a taper down in your use, shows that you are aware of the consequences of developing an unsustainable habit, hopefully with that insight you will be able to use recreationally without developing a worse addiction.

that being said, if you are at a point where you have and still use opiates daily and are keen to stop use altogether, i would recommend in the interests of harm reduction, to stay away from anything which may jeopardise your road to recovery.
 
50 mg Codeine? Oh how I wish I had low tolerance like you.

Trust me, stick with the weak opiates for as long as you can. You be chasing the "honeymoon" high and slowly enter the cycle of developing a habit.

If you could develop a habit out of the lower opiates, Oxycontin is in a league of it's own.

Just don't do it.

Ignorance is bliss. Once you have a taste, it's hard to stop.

I want off this ride.
 
Thank you for the replies. Just regarding my tolerance, to properly get off I would still need now at least say 250mg codeine--50mg (in the form of 4 Neurofen+ Tabs) just give me slight effects, a nice glow when I get up in the morning. I haven't had a proper dose (not by choice) in over two weeks now, and my mood is a lot better than the shitty fuck life period you go through after stopping cold turkey. I didn't have any today, and feel fine. I guess my dependency is gone. As I said I suffered bad w/ds (bad for me, lol) from DHC about 2,3 months ago. This scared me a bit, but I foolishly went back on the DHC when I returned, but decided to do this tapering thng with the codeine, and it seems to have worked.

As I said in my original post, I have the chance to get some oxycontin soon--20mg. My friends grandmother was prescribed a whole load of these after an operation, but is one of these feisty little old ladys who refuses to take them at all, and throws them out. She doesn't know of their addictive potential and stuff, just thinks there like a stronger version of tylenol. Obviously my friend does know what these pills are, and takes them out the trash, that's why I've got this chance to try them.

For the last year or so, its always been in my head to try a stronger opiate. I made a list of things I want to do try and that's near the top. As much as I try to put it off, its something I really want to expereince. I think i'm gonna limit myself to 1x per week with the Oxycontin, i'll give them to my friend, and tell him to only give me 1/2 a pill per week. He is a pretty good friend of mine, so I can't seem him messing with me over them or anything.

I'll post back and let you all know how I get on. I wish I could just say No, but some part of me just really wants to feel this oxy high just a handful of times, and it wont go away until i do...
 
You're setting yourself up for a lot of future problems. Although I'vebeen there and realize no one can really talk you out of it, if you're gonna do it you're gonna do it, sadly...
 
if you are set in your ways to do this, please get your dosages right. oxycodone has a high bioavailability (oral administration) when compared to morphine and codeine. so be careful when working out what your dose should be. please check the other drugs forum and your own research.
 
Just thought I'd bump this and let you know how I got on in the last two months.
Basically never bothered to get Oxy. and went straight to H. I found it to be nothing special, but then my smoking procedure was hardly textbook. Now on 50ml Methadone and gradually tapering. Thanks again for all the advise.
 
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