Different kind of psychoactive beverage?

[curiosityandcat]

Greetings,

I remember looking around the web a while back and found an old family recipe where you would steep a certain psychoactive plant (a plant that was poisonous if you were to eat it) in water or beer (or maybe a wine?) and it would produce strong effects. The author of the article said that when he drank too much of it he would become delirious but when he drank just a regular amount, it would feel as though he was flying when he closed his eyes.

Now I know about, and have personally tried, absinthe (made from kits with pure grain alcohol and soaked the thujone/wormwood in it) and that isn't what I'm thinking about. I also know about the alcohols that are sold on research chemical websites and that isn't what I'm thinking of either.

Does anyone know what plant was in that recipe? For some reason I think the non-Latin term for the plant had "black" in the name. I was also thinking it may be Datura that was in the recipe but I don't know if that has a history of being involved in any home-brewed beverages.

Does anyone know what I may be thinking of or know the recipe themselves?

 

[Nagelfar]

...but when he drank just a regular amount, it would feel as though he was flying when he closed his eyes...

I was also thinking it may be Datura that was in the recipe

This would be my guess. Scopolamine is used in anti-motion sickness drugs today, and in the past it theoretically was used in the 'Flying ointment' of medieval European witchcraft.

 

[curiosityandcat]

Thanks for the quick reply,

Yeahhh I looked up Scopolamine and its found in datura and henbane leaves. Black Henbane was the name they used in the recipe. You hit the nail on the head. The drink is referred to as Pilsenkraut.

Anyone have any positive experience with this as a brew or a tea?

 

[golden1]

amanita muscaria would work too, and be better

 

[ebola?]

Amanita Muscaria is better processed with heat, to convert the toxic ibotenic acid to muscimol.

ebola

 

[golden1]

Is it really toxic, I know it is if injected into the brain, but didnt/dont people eat them raw? I've made a lot of teas with them in the past, and such, I would hope I wasn't ingesting any unconverted neurotoxin...
I guess would ibotenic acid make it orally to the brain and be neurotoxic is my question. Also, more off topic, but muscimol would technically be modulated by benzodiazepines which I thought was interesting.

 

[ebola?]

I don't think that ibotenic acid has been tested rigorously for toxicity when administered in the body...but I don't see any drawback from taking precautions.

ebola

 

[Hammilton]

but muscimol would technically be modulated by benzodiazepines which I thought was interesting.

I don't know that this is true. technically or otherwise.