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Differences Between Mushrooms and all other Psychedelics

If I had to describe LSD to someone who had not taken it I would say like mushrooms but lasts longer. I find them fairly similar myself besides length of trip. Visuals are a bit different, I haven't done any of the new AL-LAD or LSZ but so far the closest thing I have tried to LSD has been mushrooms.
When I run out of LSD I get mushrooms, spent a few long years early in this century taking shrooms hoping lucy would come back. Mushrooms are good in that they never run out and are cheap/free and are the psychedelic I would recommend every one start with. If you get into mushrooms you can take control of your own supply, LSD I am at the mercy of several layers of dealers. You can't DIY with LSD.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
With me, I have NEVER gotten nauseous from shrooms... that's the strange thing. The way they make me feel is like my whole body hurts, I get tachycardia, I get really hot, I get dehydrated... its the oddest thing because you would think I'd get nauseous too but I've even tried making myself throw up on them before at the suggestion of a friend who said that purging would make me trip harder but always makes him not feel poisoned anymore and they kill my gag reflex - I spent 10 minutes trying to get myself to gag and couldn't do it long enough to even feel anything coming up from my stomach. I've tried with and without food, I've tried with and without alcohol, I've taken benzos to try to smooth it out. The only success I ever had was taking an extended release morphine before my shrooms and letting that kick in before eating them. That was pleasant but I forgot most of the trip because I was nodding (I have no opiate tolerance, never use them)
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I get the body load/pain as well but it just kind of fades as the trip kicks in. Opiates and psychedelics, at least the less cardiovascular stimulating ones can be very nice indeed! Also sometimes other microbes actually infect the mushrooms and these create toxins that can be unpleasant or even fatal. Growing your own shrooms makes one very aware of this as you can actually see the bacteria/fungi or whatever starting to out compete the mushrooms your trying to cultivate. Needless to say one must destroy all such contaminated mushrooms. I guess your just supper sensitive to mushrooms I guess these are your metaphorical "allergy".

On a different note I advise not eating a bag of fresh picked mushrooms and then flying. My brother and I were seated near an emergency exit and he was about to pull the handle but just before he did he turned to me and said "I'll open the door and we can walk on the clouds!" No fucking way was my response and disaster was averted.
 
my3rdeye said:
If I had to describe LSD to someone who had not taken it I would say like mushrooms but lasts longer. I find them fairly similar myself besides length of trip. Visuals are a bit different, I haven't done any of the new AL-LAD or LSZ but so far the closest thing I have tried to LSD has been mushrooms.
When I run out of LSD I get mushrooms, spent a few long years early in this century taking shrooms hoping lucy would come back. Mushrooms are good in that they never run out and are cheap/free and are the psychedelic I would recommend every one start with. If you get into mushrooms you can take control of your own supply, LSD I am at the mercy of several layers of dealers. You can't DIY with LSD.
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You put mushrooms and LSD in the same class? Not even the visuals are the same. LSD has the amazing neon visuals going for it, it has a speedy body high versus the earthy "roll" type body high of shrooms, the tangents that you get on with LSD are wild beyond anything mushrooms could think up and its ridiculously easy to get lost in a loop and have a disaster trip on LSD versus mushrooms. That said, even if the toxic feeling of shrooms goes away, I still prefer LSD.

If both were available though and someone who never tripped before wanted to trip, I would recommend the shrooms over the cleanest acid around any day, even if I could guarantee the dose to the exact microgram. LSD is just too unpredictable and there's nothing I hate more than trip sitting someone who chose to do a high dose of acid for their first trip. In the past when I was significantly more evil, I would put on some dark psytrance to fuck with them for being stupid.

lovepsychadelics said:
I get the body load/pain as well but it just kind of fades as the trip kicks in. Opiates and psychedelics, at least the less cardiovascular stimulating ones can be very nice indeed! Also sometimes other microbes actually infect the mushrooms and these create toxins that can be unpleasant or even fatal. Growing your own shrooms makes one very aware of this as you can actually see the bacteria/fungi or whatever starting to out compete the mushrooms your trying to cultivate. Needless to say one must destroy all such contaminated mushrooms. I guess your just supper sensitive to mushrooms I guess these are your metaphorical "allergy".
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That would be a feasible explanation except I get the same reaction from 4-AcO-DMT. Although you are right, high doses of mushrooms, I don't notice the bodyload for long. Probably why I love penis envy shrooms.
 
lovepsychadelics said:
Mushrooms have those chemicals as a natural defense mechanism to STOP THINGS EATING THEM
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That's one theory - but I'm not convinced. Mescaline is supposed to "stop things eating cacti" too but the trouble is the youngest most suculent cacti have next to no mescaline, while the oldest, gnarliest, toughest cacti has the highest concentration of cacti. If the alkaloids were there to deter predators it would be the other way round.
 
Ismene Mescaline is just 1 alkaloid present in the plant. And I was talking about mushrooms not cacti. There are many different chemicals besides those that cause psychedelic experiences in humans. There are many different substances in a mushroom and different species have different subjective effects due to the differences in psychoactive alkaloids, other alkaloids and other chemicals present. It's not a fool proof defense and some mushrooms actually like cattle and other grazing animals to eat them and crap them out, helps them spread their spoors. I doubt mescaline is actually to stop a grazing animal consuming the cacti because by the time it's produced the cacti is usually covered in spines unless peyote. It's more likely something that may help reduce say burrowing grubs getting into the cacti as the alkaloid is present only in the green layer of green fleshy material directly below the skin and with say Peruvian Torch you can chow down on this green goop and get a profound experience as well as a bucket load of nausea.

Mushrooms may have developed these chemicals as antimicrobial agents or something similar. Please don't tell me you believe that psychedelic fungi are an interstellar organism that enables sentient beings to commune telepathically via consumption of the mushroom like The McKenna brothers little experiment and publication would have us believe. Both denied that publication was anything more than basically two hippies doing way to many magic mushrooms. I have great respect for their work both Dennis in the field of ethnopharmacology and Terence's publications re: cultivating mushrooms. To understand the purpose of the production of substances like Psilocybin (4-phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine), Psilocin (4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine), Baeocystin (4-phosphoryloxy-N-methyltryptamine) and Norbaeocystin (4-phosphoryloxytryptamine) a complete understanding of the function of the organism etc must be achieved and the entire micro eco system examined and the mushrooms role in this understood comprehensively. I do not think the evolution of these organisms and their corresponding effect on humans is fully understood by science.
 
thatdreamer123 said:
Can't think of a psych that figuratively beats your ass like mushrooms do. Mushrooms also have this organic feel that only LSD comes close to.
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2ce, high dose aMT, Dissociatives (MXE, Ketamine, 3 meo pcp etc) in combination with psychedelics such as 2ci, ACO MiPT etc. 25B Nbome at 550 ug. 25c Nbome combined with TMA2, ibogane, DMT + MAOI etc. Also there are hallucinogenic fish. Certain species of fish found in several parts of the tropics that can produce hallucinations if their flesh is ingested. The effects of eating hallucinogenic fishes are reputed to be similar in some aspects to LSD. Experiences may include vivid auditory and visual hallucinations. This has given rise to the collective common name "dream fish" for hallucinogenic fish. We call them "Namwe" aka "dream fish" or "stinking" they smell like shit once caught and cleaned. Eat a few and you have profound vivid dreams and waking dreams.
 
lovepsychadelics said:
Please don't tell me you believe that psychedelic fungi are an interstellar organism that enables sentient beings to commune telepathically via consumption of the mushroom like The McKenna brothers little experiment and publication would have us believe.
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Yup I agree, until I'm on 7 grams in darkness, then I'm not so sure :)
 
lovepsychadelics said:
Ismene Mescaline is just 1 alkaloid present in the plant.
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True, but it's by far the most prominent and it's the only one with a prayer of causing any theoretically negative effect in something that eats it.

Mushrooms may have developed these chemicals as antimicrobial agents or something similar.

Maybe, I think you're reaching tho ;)

Perhaps it's just an evolutionary coincidence like morphine in poppies?
 
webbykevin said:
Yup I agree, until I'm on 7 grams in darkness, then I'm not so sure :)
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I think my fave claim was that in the dying days of the inca when famine and disease were raging the high priests implanted their message into the teonanacatl to pass on their dying civilisation within the mushroom.
 
Ismene look at the whole organism it's environment aka ecosystem it's role etc. I'd say evolutionary fluke most possibly. Although consumption of the poppy when unripe/immature will kill you. Also what makes you think mescalin is the only chemical in the plant that prevents fungal infections, parasites and consumption of the plant by most other animals except shamans and people wanting to get laced? Most plant's have a bewildering amount of chemicals it's part of the miracle of the natural world. You a botanist or ethno-pharmacologist or a biochemist? These are the people you should put your theories towards. I think your reaching someplace uncomfortable...
 
Are cacti vulnerable to parasites tho? I'm just wondering whether psilocybin/mesc are powerful enough deterrants to anything. I suppose if mesc worked they wouldn't need spines and tough skin.
 
Exactly the plant/fungi has enough other alkaloids/chemicals to prevent this. Take penicillin. Yes cacti are vulnerable to parasites such as a type of grub that burrows into them and eventually develops into a moth. Also I have dozens of different cacti growing including the mescaline producing species and other non psychoactive varieties they produce wonderful flowers. I never said mescaline was only to stop things eating it just that it deters some parasites. Think insect off spray to stop biting insects feasting on you. You still end up getting bitten by at least a few despite the spray. The fungi have other substances besides the psychoactive compounds that make the consumer feel unwell and different species have different levels of these compounds. Also I knew an idiot who smoked a glow in the dark mushroom and changed the pigmentation of his skin in large blotches.
 
these are just hypothesis BTW. Why different species of cacti that are not all closely related ie of the same genus have these chemicals while other species more closely related do not is an interesting subject in itself. Same applies for the fungai.
 
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