Stimulants Differences amongst Amphetamines

[aguythatlikessmoke]

What is the difference in effect between powdered Street Amphetamine Sulphate? and Adderall , dexedrine? Can somebody explain which has a great potential for abuse and addiction??? I just want the difference between medical grade amphetamine and street amphetamine Sulphate>? How the effects might compare?

 

[sekio]

Street amphetamine sulphate is ususally cut with sugar/salts & contains significant amounts of water, alcohol etc. as solvents/"paste-making" agents. Most often it is racemic (both dextro and laevo), though it may also be dextroamphetamine if made from reduction of PPA.

Adderall is an extended release formulation of amphetamine salts that works out to be something like 75% dextro-amphetamine, 25% laevoamphetamine.

Dexedrine is pure dextroamphetamine.

Laevoamphetamine is considered to be a fairly useless peripheral stimulant that plays little effect in the centrally stimualating effects but instead provides body load & vasoconstriction. This is why Adderall/Dexedrine have less L-amphetamine. L-methamphetamine is actually used as a decongestant.

All of these drugs have the same active component. Pharmaceutical amphetamine is often easier to judge purity of, and is generally provided in smaller doses than recreational "street" amphetamine, though they can both be abused if you wish, and will both produce roughly the same effects.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Street amphetamine sulphate is ususally cut with sugar/salts & contains significant amounts of water, alcohol etc. as solvents/"paste-making" agents. Most often it is racemic (both dextro and laevo), though it may also be dextroamphetamine if made from reduction of PPA.

Adderall is an extended release formulation of amphetamine salts that works out to be something like 75% dextro-amphetamine, 25% laevoamphetamine.

Dexedrine is pure dextroamphetamine.

Laevoamphetamine is considered to be a fairly useless peripheral stimulant that plays little effect in the centrally stimualating effects but instead provides body load & vasoconstriction. This is why Adderall/Dexedrine have less L-amphetamine. L-methamphetamine is actually used as a decongestant.

All of these drugs have the same active component. Pharmaceutical amphetamine is often easier to judge purity of, and is generally provided in smaller doses than recreational "street" amphetamine, though they can both be abused if you wish, and will both produce roughly the same effects.

thanks, Understandable. Would you know at what Purity, Street Amphetamine Sulphate runs in Europe? And you would deff consider street Amphetamine to pack a bit more of a punch than Adderall, Correct?

 

[sekio]

I do not know, I have heard 30-50% quoted but to be honest it depends on the vendor.

Dose wise I would expect Adderall to be more effective as a stimulant due to its heavier balance of dextroamphetamine. However, with street amphetamine, it is much easier to take 100mg+. Realistically it is up to the user to decide the intensity of their experience.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

damn, thanks for the information. BTW where are you located?Europe or NA? and do you know a website where I can get some more information in regards to Purity of Amphetamines?
I know that in Europe though Methamphetamine is a lot less common. BTW what makes Meth so much more potent than Amphetamine??
In the US the Methamphetamines seem to dominate. Can you also give me some advice in Regards to Harm Reduction??? and also can you give me some input as to how one can use street amphetamine without getting addicted?
Thanks a lot.
How fast does addiction built up?

 

[adder]

How fast does addiction built up?

Nobody can't answer this question. Amphetamines don't produce physical addiction, they do produce psychological dependence. How would you know if you get hooked after using once or if you don't find it enjoyable at all? If you're prone to get addicted, then the time needed to become an addict will decrease but there's no way to tell how fast you're going to get addicted. It's a personal thing.

I know I would never get hooked on it as the rush provided by amphetamines is terribly impure to me and the comedown is nowhere near worth the main high...

 

[manicmama]

I'm in UK and speed (white powder usually) is thought to be weaker than base (yellowish paste usually).
I've read when researching typical strength myself (can't remember names of websites unfortunately - usually off it when I decide to look into these things - though a bit of time on google should produce them), that what is commonly referred to as speed is typically 12-15% pure - though speed confiscated by police has been found to be as low as 8% purity. Base is (or at least should be) a lot stronger/purer - I believe it's around 50%.
Of course the actual purity would depend on the ability of person producing it and their technique, also of course how much the dealer cuts it. IME base is stronger than speed, but no doubt some dealers would do something to alter appearance of speed to resemble base.
Meth is rare in the UK but growing in popularity in gay men, I know a bloke that uses Meth recreationally and he says the high is more intense than base, but so is the comedown.
I can't comment on prescription amphetamines as I have no personal experience with them.
As for addiction that depends on you. The comedown puts some people off ever touching them again - I personally don't get a bad comedown, just tiredness - nothing to how bad I feel after a night on booze. Some people enjoy them now and again, others look forward to them every weekend. I myself am basically addicted - not at all physical as other poster said - but mentally. I must note though, I have bipolar and was once dependant on booze, I replaced that addiction with cocaine and I have now replaced that with base/speed so it would be fair to say I have an addictive personality - though I think I just hate my life and need something to make it bearable.
IMO the only way to completely eliminate risk of addiction is to not try them in the 1st place.
Sorry I couldn't give more solid answers.

 

[BritishLad]

UK Street speed is very weak, the only time it had much effect on me was my first time. I've gone through a gram (sorry gram so not much it turns out) in a day and all it has gone is make me stay awake a bit longer.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

I didn't notice the Comedown to be that bad to me either, I just felt tired as you said on the next day. I always take speed with a lot of Alcohol though I don't know how that affects the Amphetamines effect, I haven't used Amphetamines too many times though maybe 3-4 times. But Last week on Friday I went a bit overboard with some friends we had 1.5 G and I probably took .4, .3 g on top of that I drank a lot of whiskey cola, Beer between 6-9 drinks I lost track and I took Shrooms later on during the night. Had a great night though, ahahah my euphoria was crazy and I even had an Enlightened experience from the Shrooms and I feel real good this week. I always drink Alcohol with my speed and I don't know how that effects the come down, I can still feel the speed even when drinking cause I'm feeling focused, Clear minded and Energetic but not too much Euphoria. The crazy Euphoria was thanks to the Shrooms. My Comedowns on Speed are managable always take 25 mg to 50 mg of Trazodone and I sleep no probs after partying .

 

[XTC_fiend]

IMO METH or street speed has a higher addiction potential.
BUT amphetamine by prescription should have a higher purity rate as the companies dont cut their meds lol.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

I a m in Hungary btw.
Have no idea how pure Amphetamines are here, my stuff was powdered it wasn't paste.
And Methamphetamine is rare here.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Btw I have used Clonazepam and Alprazolam and never got addicted to them although I used the carefully. I used Klonazepam in high doses once Up to 3 MG , just for one night I noticed it had an stimulatory effect on me I felt social , Talkative very relaxed. What is more addictive Benzos or Amphetamine Sulphate??

 

[Tryptamino]

Adderall is 25% levoamphetamine, and 75% dextroamphetamine, whereas street amphetamine sulphate is a 50/50 racemic mixture of those two compunds. Dextroamphetamine is a precursor to d-methamphetamine. both are powerful physical and mental stimulants which are both capable of inducing euphoria. the two differ in the pronounced intensity of effects (meth being the stronger form), the duration of effects (meth lasts twice as long) as well as bioavailibility and ROAs that are available. Meth is also serotonergic, while dextroamphetamine is not.
Methamphetamine is capable of producing intense euphoria and stimulation, resembling that of cocaine, but slightly more intense.
All levo-isomers are rightly considered useless.
Methylphenidate is a waste of time, so i'm not gonna tell you about it.

For some people (myself include) addiction builds almost instantly, due to some sort of dopamine deficiency or something. I personally have a weak spot for stims, and whenever I start, i can't stop, which is why i try to do them as sparingly as possible, otherwise i'll end up awake for days on end and i'll owe several people large sums of money. This being said, i probably wouldn't do so many stims if i could get some fuckin opiates, cause the crash from speed is almost not worth it, but there's nothing else as euphoric where i am.

 

[manicmama]

When I used to drink, years ago, I found the odd time I had a bit of speed I could consume way more booze than usual (and I used to absolutely cane it) and just feel merry and clear headed. I wondered (and still do) why people moan about the comedown as for me, it eased the usual severity of my booze hangover. Odd eh?
I've read on the internet somewhere that alcohol lessens the effects of speed, I don't know if its fact or myth but to me makes sense as the speed seems to lessen the effect of alcohol (super human drinking ability) so shouldn't there be some effect on the speed from the alcohol? Also isn't alcohol a downer and speed an upper? So therefore they'd lessen the effects of the other to some extent?
I'm prescribed clonazepam, and the only time I've taken 3mg (I have low tolerance as take them very, very, sparingly) it knocked me clean out for 14 hours! Bearing in mind I cane base virtually everyday! Also the day after, base had no effect whatsoever on me, and the day after, though I could feel it they were reduced. Basically it was the 3rd day after the 3mg clonazepam before base had me my usual energetic, chatty, buzzin self. The only other benzo I've used is diazepam - 20mg I felt nothing, 80mg lazily euphoric - but not so euphoric I felt compelled to do it again. My prescribed dose of clonazepam is 0.5mg up to 4x a day for anxiety/racing thoughts, when used as prescribed it does its job, though I feel no euphoria. I tend to save them for after a particulary greedy session, just 1 with a sedating anti-histamine, to help me sleep when I'm either out of Zopiclone or don't want that metallic taste all the next day.
So to me, amphetamines definitely got more addictive effects, nothing about the benzo's appeals to me for fun - though you may find they affect you differently, or have a different idea of fun.
Amphetamine addiction is psychological though and I believe withdrawal - from long term abuse - includes feelings of exhaustion, depression, sleeping problems, anxiety etc.
Long term benzo abuse that is stopped abruptly and not tapered from can cause a withdrawal apparently worse than that from heroin, though that's word of mouth, no personal experience with H at all or benzo w/d.
I too love my stims, alcohol isn't worth the hangover I get, pot makes me feel ill, opiates well, low dose codeine makes me vomit so wouldn't dream of touching anything opiate based.
I like MDMA for an occassional treat, though I'm always speeding when I do it lol.

 

[Zolly]

From what I read the average purity of amphetamine in Hungary is low (8%) compared to countries that either produce (Poland, Estland, Belgium, Netherlands) and even countries with high consumption, t.ex Norway, Sweden (20-50%)

 

[Pralus]

Has anyone noticed a difference in onset of action between DL-amphetamine and Dex? In my experience I have found that with a few people the onset of action with d-amp was slower than that of straight racemic. Note the difference in purity was little, so is probably not related to dose. Both were taken orally. I am wondering now thinking back if perhaps D- 's smoother and less peripheral effects may have meant the onset was less apparent. However any reasonable (i.e scientifically sound) explainations for this are welcome!

 

[tricomb]

from another thread

Adderall is a mix of levo-amp and dextro amp at a ratio of 1:4 respectively. The levoamphetamine while good for some people is not the best solution for everyone, and gives many users some of the PNS side effects that are not beneficial at all to the patient.

This is why, Dexedrine would be a better idea, it's the pure dextro isomer of amphetamine, so it has less PNS side effects and more of the good isomer.

For those who still have side effects on Dexedrine, Desoxyn (dextro-methamphetamine) can be considered. In my case, I had side effects with Dexedrine that I wasn't content with so I switched to Desoxyn and have never been happier. There is no RX stimulant with less side effects and definitely not one with it's efficacy. This is my subjective experience, others are happy with Dexedrine, others are fine with Adderall.

Methylphenidate (Ritalin, Concerta, Daytrana, etc) blows and is not a good stimulant IMO, I don't like it's chemical structure or it's lousy effects, I've tried every form of it, they all suck as stimulants but they may be helpful to some people.

Vyvanse IMO was created basically as a less abusable form of Dexedrine, created as a pro-drug to deter use of any ROA other than oral, and is no better than Dexedrine but some people feel it's smoother or released at a more even rate, and some people like that but IMO it's less reliable than Dexedrine.

Desoxyn > Dexedrine > Vyvanse > Adderall for the amphetamines.

As for the modafinil, I think it's important for people to explore non-amphetamine options so all options are brought to the table before an educated decision can be made.

 

[GBM]

IMO METH or street speed has a higher addiction potential.
BUT amphetamine by prescription should have a higher purity rate as the companies dont cut their meds lol.

Actually they do haha. Fillers and Binders are essentially the same as cut. But yes, it'll be a much higher purity haha (sorry, just had to play the Devil's Advocate there )

 

[tricomb]

well, the cuts Pharmaceutical companies add aren't harmful when taken as-directed (orally).

Imagine if all the prescription drugs you got were JUST the active ingredient + a capsule? Hah.