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Die from methadone withdrawal?

i jumped off the dome program at 50mls. 3 weeks off feeling like complete shit and wantin to die i did it cold turkey and my bloody probation officer forced me to go to the docs or the fat mole would breach me,,,,dr helped so much,,,,,1 5mg valium a day and i had to walk to the chemist and pick it up each day,so i fucked that off too.its doable but shitty
 
Thank you. It's been really hard and it's such a shame that more people don't take w/d from methadone seriously. I've seen what it can do and it's no joke. :( And my mom was only 47. Way to young to go in my opinion.
 
2nd Gregg County death from Methadone withdrawal spurs calls for uniform policy on prescription drugs in jails
Another Gregg County Jail inmate has died after being denied prescribed Methadone - the second such case in six months - raising the question of whether policies on access to prescription drugs should be standardized, the TV station KYTX reported last week.
 
I dont think opiate withdrawal can kill you, and methadone is an opiate

alcohol and benzodiazepine withdrawal can kill you, but methadone is neither alcohol nor a benzo

someone correct me if im wrong
Yes it can wtf one simple google search will answer the question. It can be from the symptoms of dehydration and the elevated sodium causing your heart to work overtime. It is a very serious problem and it should be treated as a life and death situation.
 
Not knowing underlining conditions can stab ya in the ass every time. In any withdrawal case there is more than meets the eye and should investigated as so.
 
Is it really possible to die from cold turkeying a 7 year high dose of methadone? I was told yes but I never found anything supporting this online, people get locked up all the time here in New Jersey with years of methadone Maintannce treatment to receive nothing but ibuprofen in jail. What would cause death maybe throwing up and choking is all I can think of , maybe high blood pressure
Yes

It is possible

But it’s very unlikely…
 
Yes

It is possible

But it’s very unlikely…
Yes both directly and indirectly from it the symptoms of sweating and dehydration but most importantly the concentration of salt will cause a heart attack on top of the pain. Also the nightmares are insanely horrible. It depends on your dosage 30 mg won't be as horrible as 120 mg. Last time just 2 days I felt like I had needless being poked in every pore!
 
Yep - I've known five chemists who syntheized fentanyl homologues and then broke RULE 1.

Two are dead, one is still in jail, the last two were still siffering AWS after 1+ years. The last two spent time in hospital because they weren't eating or drinking and sleep deprivation caused seizure in at least one of them.

Now that is an extreme example. All five ended up IVing their fentanyl homologues every 20 minutes night and day. You may ask how - but as I understand it, they obtained syringe-drivers so a large syringe slowly infusing the drug allowed sleep. An incredibly dangerous thing to do hence the two dead. If even slightly overestimate the volume required, OD would occurs maybe hours later and of course nobody was there to monitor them.

So while methadone isn't in that league, I imagine that a very severe and protracted AWS could result in death due to other causes.

Just last week someone I know ended up in hospital. They had been coughing up blood for three months and their response was to take more H. Then they picked up a back injury and you guessed it, took even more H to deal with the pain. On admission they tested positive for covid as well as two bacterial infections and the result of the TB test are still not known. Now almost any clinician would ASSUME multi-drug resistant TB but the person is so unpredictable, they could never be trusted to complete a course of antibiotics and what you don't want is for someone to make MDRTB to develop resistance to one of the few treatments that still work.

At last count they had managed to run up a £6000+ debt with every single dealer in the city with absolutely no way of ever paying that debt. My wife pointed out that likely the person had decided to self-destruct. They even smuggled H into the hospital in spite of being prescribed a LOT of methadone. Today I learnt that it was 160mg/day. Now NO WAY will our local HR agency provide take-homes. The person would require supervised consumption and they are so chaotic, none of us think they will even get it together enough to go to the pharmacy (10 minutes away).

We sort of conclude that they intend to die.

But on a happier note, I knew someone who was prescribed 200mg methadone/day and while it took them over a year, they stopped and it's now 25 years later and while they may now smoke funny herbs, they aren't using opioids. So if someone REALLY wants to stop, it can be done. I always tell people that if someone cracks one day and buys a bag, fine. But don't think 'I will NEVER be able to stop' - it doesn't matter how many times you fall down as long as you get back up and keep walking,

BTW in the UK at least, when someone gets down to 32mg methadone/day they are offered the option of buprenorphine. We used to use dihydrocodeine which every single former-user I've talked to said was FAR better than buprenorphine. Unlike codine, DHC is active in it's own right so their is only a 'soft ceiling' on the dose, it's duration of action is 6 hours rather than 4 (as for codeine) and at least in the UK, SR formulations are available. I strongly disagree with methadone being used in an attempt to get a client down to zero. At 30mg, A couple of 120mg DHC Continuous every 12 hours works and what is nice is that not only is there 60,90 as well as 120mg DHC continuous, there is also plain DHCs (nicknamed 'Dizzies') which are 30mg pills with a breakline as well as DHC Forte which are 40mg pills with a breakline. I mention this because while the analgesic potency of DHC would suggest it cannot substutue for methadone as an analgesic, in preventing AWS it's only about three-four times less active so 30mg of methadone per day to 60mg DHC QID worked for almost all clients. Now how you obtain DHC I wouldn't know.
 
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While detoxing from methadone in a facility with an IV going because my blood pressure was staying at 180/120 I eventually woke up in Vanderbilt in Nashville because I had a stroke. Methadone is no joke. Normally with opiates it’s about the third day that starts getting pretty uncomfortable. With methadone…for me…. It didn’t get bad until around the 8th day. But it was horrific. I couldn’t even walk. I had to shuffle. It affected my vision, my hearing. I couldn’t stand the pressure from my own clothes on my skin. It was like I was severely bruised all over. And this was with the help of suboxone because I switched to it once I started feeling the withdrawals from the methadone. IMO and in my experience methadone didnt serve its purpose well for MAT. Im just stating how my experience was. I’m not saying it can’t help others. But for me theres a big difference between methadone and suboxone. Methadone kept me high as hell and still searching for that dragon. Suboxone has been a different story.
 
If I hadn’t of been around other people to help keep my mind occupied and had that kinda support I’d have probably took my own life….just to make it stop…to get relief. For me…it was that bad
 
While detoxing from methadone in a facility with an IV going because my blood pressure was staying at 180/120 I eventually woke up in Vanderbilt in Nashville because I had a stroke. Methadone is no joke. Normally with opiates it’s about the third day that starts getting pretty uncomfortable. With methadone…for me…. It didn’t get bad until around the 8th day. But it was horrific. I couldn’t even walk. I had to shuffle. It affected my vision, my hearing. I couldn’t stand the pressure from my own clothes on my skin. It was like I was severely bruised all over. And this was with the help of suboxone because I switched to it once I started feeling the withdrawals from the methadone. IMO and in my experience methadone didnt serve its purpose well for MAT. Im just stating how my experience was. I’m not saying it can’t help others. But for me theres a big difference between methadone and suboxone. Methadone kept me high as hell and still searching for that dragon. Suboxone has been a different story.

Could I ask what dose of methadone and what dose of buprenorphine?

Depression IS a killer so once again, in the UK we used to prescribe amitryptaline as a matter of course. Apparently that specific antidepressant proved to be far more effective than any alternative.
 
Is it really possible to die from cold turkeying a 7 year high dose of methadone? I was told yes but I never found anything supporting this online, people get locked up all the time here in New Jersey with years of methadone Maintannce treatment to receive nothing but ibuprofen in jail. What would cause death maybe throwing up and choking is all I can think of , maybe high blood pressure

It's very rare, but yes, you CAN die from from opioid withdrawal. I think kidney failure, stroke, seizure etc.
 
Yes of course it's possible. It would be very rare for a young, healthy person to die from opiate withdrawal but as you get older and/or have other health problems the risk increases.
 
Yes of course it's possible. It would be very rare for a young, healthy person to die from opiate withdrawal but as you get older and/or have other health problems the risk increases.

Well, Ross was 32. I don't know if you would consider that to be old. He never mentioned any health issues beyond his fondness for H. The guy owned his own home, had a well paid job and I suppose would be classed as a 'functional addict'.

HE decided that HE wanted to stop and given he had a sizable amount of disposable income and supportive parents, he got good treatment. But he got so sick he wound up in hospital due to a heart attack and a couple of days later his distraught mother called my wife to let us know he had died.

I think he was being given sublingual diamorphine 'jacks' along with methadone (although he had been using methadone for a while).

We never knew exactly what happened. Reason being that we didn't have his parent's telephone number and his partner was still bang at it and she essentially wanted not only his house, savings, assets and belongings... she wanted HIS parents to pay for HER habit. We had made it clear to his parents that she was still using and on Ross's dollar and recognized we could get her turfed out - so she cut all ties. What can I say, at least we HAD told his parents. But incredible that such a lovely guy was was being chisseled by the person he loved.

I still miss him.
 
Could I ask what dose of methadone and what dose of buprenorphine?

Depression IS a killer so once again, in the UK we used to prescribe amitryptaline as a matter of course. Apparently that specific antidepressant proved to be far more effective than any alternative.
With methadone I was getting 120 mg a day from the clinic but I usually bought more from others if I could so I was taking a lot. When they started giving me suboxone it was 8 mg twice a day. I stayed on two a day for over a year. This was 17 years ago. Now I take about 1/4 of an 8 mg suboxone every other day. Sometimes I actually forget to take it until my nose starts dripping and my body starts aching.

I have severe depression and anhedonia but I believe it’s mostly just the consequences of how my dopamine production has been impaired. I was on opiates from 12 yrs old up until my early 20’s. I had over 30 surgeries before I was 19. The adolescent development of my brain occurred while I was under the influence of opiates. The receive/reward circuitry of my brain was already rewired before I even knew what addiction was. These aren’t just excuses. Theyre straight up facts. I’ve fought it with all I have in me. I’ve been thru every rehab program in East Tn. Ive done more personal self inventory than anyone I know. I’d give anything to know what it was like to not have to take anything. But I just don’t know any different. But maintaining any kind of life as a known drug addict has been impossible for me in the small town that Ive always lived in. Its like I’ve been on trial my entire life. I feel like I’ve constantly been held accountable for something Im not even capable of and then convicted for it because people think Im choosing to be this way. I’ve tried abstinence. After 6 months of abstinence Im still alive but just barely existing. I believe neuroplasticity is possible but not when you’re feeling condemned or being punished. I really think all the ignorance and stigma has actually fucked up my sense of autonomy and personal agency. The fear from all of this is traumatizing. Especially when you have children that you love more then your next breath that can be held over your head and took from you

I’m sorry for getting off topic.
 
The only reason I’m still here is because of the only measure of self control that Ive been able to manage….Ive never used a needle. If I did I know I’d love it. There’s no middle ground with me. When I like it I love it and all I want is more of it lol
 
With methadone I was getting 120 mg a day from the clinic but I usually bought more from others if I could so I was taking a lot. When they started giving me suboxone it was 8 mg twice a day. I stayed on two a day for over a year. This was 17 years ago. Now I take about 1/4 of an 8 mg suboxone every other day. Sometimes I actually forget to take it until my nose starts dripping and my body starts aching.

I have severe depression and anhedonia but I believe it’s mostly just the consequences of how my dopamine production has been impaired. I was on opiates from 12 yrs old up until my early 20’s. I had over 30 surgeries before I was 19. The adolescent development of my brain occurred while I was under the influence of opiates. The receive/reward circuitry of my brain was already rewired before I even knew what addiction was. These aren’t just excuses. Theyre straight up facts. I’ve fought it with all I have in me. I’ve been thru every rehab program in East Tn. Ive done more personal self inventory than anyone I know. I’d give anything to know what it was like to not have to take anything. But I just don’t know any different. But maintaining any kind of life as a known drug addict has been impossible for me in the small town that Ive always lived in. Its like I’ve been on trial my entire life. I feel like I’ve constantly been held accountable for something Im not even capable of and then convicted for it because people think Im choosing to be this way. I’ve tried abstinence. After 6 months of abstinence Im still alive but just barely existing. I believe neuroplasticity is possible but not when you’re feeling condemned or being punished. I really think all the ignorance and stigma has actually fucked up my sense of autonomy and personal agency. The fear from all of this is traumatizing. Especially when you have children that you love more then your next breath that can be held over your head and took from you

I’m sorry for getting off topic.

I feel this is enormously important information.

However you ended up consuming so much methadone is, franky, your own business and not mine.

Clearly it's totally inappropriate to even attempt to take someone consuming 100+ mg methadone/day to another medication. I'm just amazed that you made it. Most people tell me that it's possible to get down to 30mg methadone/day over a long time-span. A year or more I suppose.

But worse, buprenorphine is known to produce extemely unpleasent side-effects. Nausea and vomiting are the least of these but anxiety and depression should be expected if someone is given 16mg from nothing.

As noted previously, when we used to really want clients to stop consuming opioids, we could do it. But now people are being parked on buprenorphine in exactly the same way as they were previously parked on methadone. Frankly, methadone is so cheap, it's accepted that the best outcomes for people who have been taking methadone for decades is to simply carry on giving them methadone.

But I hope I've alerted people to the UK system that worked but which clearly didn't profit those producing the drugs. DHC is also cheap as chips. But 30mg juice to 240mg DHC was apparently painless and working down DHC is a much more managable prospect.

We had one client who had a heart-valve replacement and we were advised that methadone was contraindicated. So they got a fistful of DHC and were fine. Well, they carried on using with the expected outcomes - but he got an extra decade.
 
Tbh in my case I have to give God all of the glory. I feel like He’s used my addiction to keep me grounded in His grace. Although Im still a mess lol. But my battle with addiction is what lead me to God as I found myself analyzing the desires of my flesh. But the twelve steps became a problem for me. I’m not saying they don’t work for others. Addiction needs to be accessed more on an individual bases. What works for one might not work for someone else. There’s so many different contributing factors with each person. But my higher power is God. He can heal me. He can do anything He wants to do anytime He wants to. He is God. But in my case Hes made it obvious that Hes gonna do it on His timeline and not mine.

I think we need to start teaching children more about dopamine from an earlier age. Dopamine is a huge deal. It can dictate the quality of your life. Especially once you begin ingesting anything thats gonna change your baseline. What goes up must come back down. Pain and pleasure are both created by the same part of the brain. But the body will always be striving to get back to homeostasis…balance. Theres ways to modulate this. It helps if you can get yourself accustomed to focusing on any kind of task you’re trying to accomplish in a way that makes your brain consider the effort you’re investing as the reward. You gotta learn to lean into the resistance. Make yourself do what you don’t wanna do when you don’t wanna do it. Quality sleep matters also. I take a lot of supplements like L tyrosine, l phenylalanine, mucuna pruriens, etc. I worry about the effects the suboxone is having. I have MCTD and several auto immune issues. But I kinda feel like some of the things I’ve dealt with have been the reason my own immune system has turned against me. I’m also sure Ive caused a lot of damage to myself. Addiction has been a known concept all thru out history as far back as 1890 when heroin was made to help with morphine addiction. My personal opinion is that satan himself created addiction. I mean…it impairs the part of our brains that determines what we want the most. Go figure lol

Just look at how the drugs have surfaced and took over. First it was opiates…giving us a fake sense of well being…..until we became addicted and it began taxing all of our resources. But then here comes methamphetamine to the rescue….its like it was all planned
 
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